What controversial themes/social issues can work in DB?

[Theophrastus]

Wut.

Seriously wut. I was alreadywary by the title but the actual post is WUT. Seriously, do we NEED hate groups in DBZ? I did warm to the idea of serious themes and social issues in DBZ in the half second it took to load the thread but you lost me at Hategroups and stuff in Dragon Ball. REALLY?

While I agree with Rocketman that DB aint the babyish show other claim it is. Its DEFINITELY not the show for Hate Groups. Even One Piece which tackles issues such as racism doesnt doesnt have hategroups in it.

The "New Fishman Pirates" from the Fishman Island arc were a hate group. We'll probably never see anything like them again, but One Piece has had one hate group in it.

[DBZAOTA482]

Here another:

Chi-Chi being representative to single mothers raising children in the ghetto. Even her name's so ghetto.

That aside, the rivalry between Goku and Vegeta is a clear battle between Nurture vs. Nature. I'd like to see even more insight into it.

[dalome]

Children soldier.

Gohan or futur Trunks make me think of the main character In gundam 00 or in Jormungand.

[LuckyCat]

That aside, the rivalry between Goku and Vegeta is a clear battle between Nurture vs. Nature. I'd like to see even more insight into it.

More like class warfare. Nature versus nurture would be like a hypothetical where we speculate whether Vegeta would have been as strong if he was raised on Earth like Goku.

Still, it's a great real social issue that's touched upon many times in the series. If DBZ were written with older audiences in mind you might imagine the upset Vegeta's defeat by Goku would have caused, making Saiyans and similar races question the idea of noble superiority.

[kenisu3000]

I'd just like to say I'm reeeeeeally glad certain real world social issues don't get addressed in DragonBall. I get enough of that and hear enough about it IRL. DragonBall is my escapism - I want to escape from that shiz, darnit.

[EXBadguy]

Here another:

Chi-Chi being representative to single mothers raising children in the ghetto. Even her name's so ghetto.

Too bad her neighborhood didn't involve thugs with guns. Only herbs.

I mean, Goku literally lives in the middle of nowhere.

[TheGmGoken]

Senseless mass murder or Terrorist Groups.

[SpiritBombTriumphant]

Saiyans are black people.... no for real, they are.

That's the Namekians. Innocent people who did nothing that end up being killed for someone else's profit. Not to mention they're poor (they certainly aren't wealthy as seen on Namek) and they always get attacked in one way or another. Look at The Return of Cooler--they start being rounded up and taken onto a spaceship or something (I forget).

Saiyans were violent and attacked other planets to sell them once they had cleared all of the planet's inhabitants. Frieza in a sense did something sort of noble when he killed them all, if you think about it.

As for the main topic, I prefer to enjoy kickass anime without any social BS.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Saiyans are black people.... no for real, they are.

That's the Namekians. Innocent people who did nothing that end up being killed for someone else's profit. Not to mention they're poor (they certainly aren't wealthy as seen on Namek) and they always get attacked in one way or another. Look at The Return of Cooler--they start being rounded up and taken onto a spaceship or something (I forget).

Saiyans were violent and attacked other planets to sell them once they had cleared all of the planet's inhabitants. Freeza in a sense did something sort of noble when he killed them all, if you think about it.

Except they were doing that under Freeza's orders and after he killed them he kept doing the same thing.

[Yournickk]

Divorce. Let's face it, Goku and ChiChi's marriage is a complete disaster.

[Basaku]

I know that TFS likes to joke about it, but abandonment would be an interesting issue to bring up with Gohan.

Sort of was, Piccolo criticizes Goku for being a bad father during Cell saga. Not much else though, certinately not with also-abandoned Goten or Chi Chi. Toriyama fell in love with the idea of Goku being an unemployed chav with no skills for anything other than satisfying basic instincts of hunger and fighting way too fast for the story's good sake

[SpiritBombTriumphant]

Saiyans are black people.... no for real, they are.

That's the Namekians. Innocent people who did nothing that end up being killed for someone else's profit. Not to mention they're poor (they certainly aren't wealthy as seen on Namek) and they always get attacked in one way or another. Look at The Return of Cooler--they start being rounded up and taken onto a spaceship or something (I forget).

Saiyans were violent and attacked other planets to sell them once they had cleared all of the planet's inhabitants. Freeza in a sense did something sort of noble when he killed them all, if you think about it.

Except they were doing that under Freeza's orders and after he killed them he kept doing the same thing.

The Saiyans are ruthless regardless of Frieza leading them or not. Namekians always get their asses kicked by something. They're the innocent people who get screwed time and time again.

I'd just like to say I'm reeeeeeally glad certain real world social issues don't get addressed in DragonBall. I get enough of that and hear enough about it IRL. DragonBall is my escapism - I want to escape from that shiz, darnit.

Spoken like a champ. I agree 100%. Escapism is bliss and the world doesn't seem to care for it =(

[Monkey King Vegeta]

Saiyans are black people.... no for real, they are.

That's the Namekians. Innocent people who did nothing that end up being killed for someone else's profit. Not to mention they're poor (they certainly aren't wealthy as seen on Namek) and they always get attacked in one way or another. Look at The Return of Cooler--they start being rounded up and taken onto a spaceship or something (I forget).

Saiyans were violent and attacked other planets to sell them once they had cleared all of the planet's inhabitants. Freeza in a sense did something sort of noble when he killed them all, if you think about it.

As for the main topic, I prefer to enjoy kickass anime without any social BS.

I think the Namkes could actually represent the Native Americans, the whole land plot and the way they lived as tribes controlled under the Elder, seemed effective for the natives and the US sure knows it (fun history fact).

Piccolo always reminded me of the clich "Lone Black Guy" from all those horror movies, specially zombie related.

And the way Vegeta adressed him as a "(meer) namek" had a racial undertoned in my ears.

Sure the saiyans where violent, but we don't know the full story and problably will never unless AT makes up his mind, for all we know they could have become violent from years of oppresion they suffered under the Tuffles, would that justify the genocide againts them?

I would still put Saiyans as Mexicans since they fit most of the Saiyan characteristics and history, but I doubt AT based the Saiyans off of them, were their any Mexican based characters in DB(Z)? I remeber a scene with a boxer, but it seemed to filler

Also, Frieza is pure evil, used oppression to get his way and controlled with fear, no different than a huge empire in our world, except he had the power to back it up. King Cold was poorly handled, he could've atleast put up a fight and show everyone why they ruled the galaxy.

[DBZAOTA482]

Here another:

Chi-Chi being representative to single mothers raising children in the ghetto. Even her name's so ghetto.

Too bad her neighborhood didn't involve thugs with guns. Only herbs.

I mean, Goku literally lives in the middle of nowhere.

Farmer with Shotgun says otherwise and Anime/Dub Chi-Chi (Saiyan-Cell Saga) thinks of the Z-Senshi as thugs.

Oh and according to GT, Chi-Chi smokes pot.

Saiyans are black people.... no for real, they are.

That's the Namekians. Innocent people who did nothing that end up being killed for someone else's profit. Not to mention they're poor (they certainly aren't wealthy as seen on Namek) and they always get attacked in one way or another. Look at The Return of Cooler--they start being rounded up and taken onto a spaceship or something (I forget).

Saiyans were violent and attacked other planets to sell them once they had cleared all of the planet's inhabitants. Freeza in a sense did something sort of noble when he killed them all, if you think about it.

Black people are a diverse group of people, and so are the Saiyans though not as much. Not all of them are innocent (though the Saiyans are more naturally inclined to their darker side...no pun intended).

This guy puts it down perfectly:

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/as-a-kid ... le.134534/