Is Kid Boo stronger than Super Boo?

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

That ain't a statement and I already told you the exact reasons based on the manga statements. Therefore using this reasoning to conclude Goku = Kid Boo holds no weight. Goku even regrets not fusing.

No, the battle leads us to that conclusion.

no he doesn't

Then you need to read the fight again. Neither show a notable advantage over the other. That's an equal battle.

Irrelevant since Boo used that exact same beam on an inferior Dabura.

Fat Boo and Kid Boo are totally different. Also, Dabra was down in two hits, so the situation doesn't compare in the least. Fat Boo did it because he was hungry, did it against Evil Boo because he was getting his ass kicked, and used it against Kid Boo because he was getting his ass kicked. The use of this attack follows no specific pattern in the story, so don't even try to pretend it does

It means nothing.

Weren't you the guy claiming Goku's weaker than Fat Boo because he didn't resort to absorption?

Where is this stated or illustrated?

Goku: “…Dammit…! Like I thought, even if I keep doing the same thing, that bastard’s stamina doesn’t fall…! He just returns to being good as new right away…”

Nothing about Kid Boo's power being an issue. Your opinion.

Where is this stated or illustrated?

Read the fight. Kid Boo certainly isn't shown overpowering Goku in that battle.

Kid Boo would have killed Goku SSJ3 1on1.

Yet he didn't.

Elder Kai insisted they fuse again. Because Kid Boo was still stronger than them both attacking together at full power

Because it's the best option, not because Kid Boo was stronger. That was stated before Goku even showed his full-power, anyway.

If Kid Boo was inferior to or equal to Goku SSj3, he would have resorted to absorption, absorbing Vegeta or Goku himself (he didn't)

This is pure conjecture. We've never seen Kid Boo's use of absorption, so inserting this reasoning is nothing more than, surprise surprise, your opinion.

Kid Boo didn't take Goku serious because after eating a full power kamehameha, he laughs and trolls around.

It was an uncharged Kamehameha, not a full-power one. What's the point of having Vegeta say an attack utilizing all of his power in Super Saiyan 3 would be enough to wipe Kid Boo out if it was already done? Furthermore, why would Goku think it'd be any different this time around if Kid Boo was still in peak condition? That sure makes sense.

And he was also planning to hide from Kid Boo until they thought of something.

There was nothing they could do but fight without fusion, so it doesn't matter.

When Super Boo appeared inside Boo, they both transformed into SSJ1 and got in their fighting stance, ready to fight Super Boo without fusion.

Wrong. Goku was hoping to damage Boo by blasting a hole through him. They were panicking when Boo formed inside of himself, so there's no semblance of confidence there. Boo even tells them they can't do anything after finding out they can no longer merge. Where was this Saiyan arrogance when the "weaker" Super Boo was in front of them? Nowhere!

Your logic is broken, once again.

Says you. The guy who believes Fat Boo is stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku.

Plus Goku regrets not fusing and showing off.

And still thinks he can blast Kid Boo into ashes if he has a minute.

Erroneously, since they attempted to fight on their own and almost got killed.

Only because Goku had no idea Super Saiyan 3 was so draining.

They failed on their own, plain and simple. They overestimated Goku and SSJ3, period.

Goku overestimated the effects of Super Saiyan 3 is more like it.

Vegeta even says he underestimated Kid Boo.

Kid Boo and Goku.

They were simply too arrogant. Goku says he wanted to show off in front of Vegeta. He REGRETS not fusing.

The potara being more efficient doesn't mean Goku can't wipe Kid Boo out with his own power. He only regrets not fusing because it'd be that much easier to win. Even when taking this into consideration, he still thinks he could finish Kid Boo off. Stated.

LOL what? That is my POINT! He fought Kid Boo head-to-head because he had no other choice. Vegeta wasn't going to fuse with Goku again, and the fact that Goku decided to show off was because he was arrogant.

How does being arrogant change the fact that he fought an equal battle with Kid Boo? Hint: it doesn't.

SUPER BOO was the one who got stronger upon transforming Buff Boo. Not Kid Boo.

The transition from the Kaioshin Boo to Kid Boo resulted in a weaker Boo.

Super Boo minus Good Boo equals Kid Boo. Good Boo represents all Kais. Once he was disconnected, that power generated was from Kid Boo because that was the ONLY reserve left in Boo's system - his own ki.

Mr. Boo represents Dai Kaioshin, actually. South Kaioshin's essence was still within Kid Boo, which explains why he had to transition through that form before reaching his real form. So no, that power was not Kid Boo's. If it was that simple, he would've went from Super Boo to Kid Boo, not Super Boo to Kaioshin Boo to Kid Boo. Therefore, some part of South Kaioshin exists outside of Mr. Boo for that to even take place.

In your fan-fiction, perhaps, but in the actual manga, Goku didn't do a degree of damage to Kid Boo (even though he fired 2 full-powered kamehameha's at Kid Boo, which he ate) while Goku was beat up and huffing and puffing. So much for "equal," you remind me of MMA's Cecil Peoples ahaha

Kid Boo did no damage to Goku, so what are you saying? Those Kamehameha's weren't at full-power. No idea why you keep saying that.

Nah man. Fat Boo used that beam on a clearly inferior Dabura too. By your logic, Goku is clearly inferior to Kid Boo.

Nah, man. Fat Boo took Dabra out in two attacks, then turned Dabra into a cookie because he was hungry. By your logic, since Fat Boo likes chocolate and bubble baths, Kid Boo also does...

[dbzfan7]

I am going to force myself not to engage any replies you offer to this. I owe myself better than this frustration, and there is a staff around that will certainly address you if this keeps up. I don't care that you think kid Buu is stronger than super Buu, but at least try to piece together a decent argument and show some reasonable respect for people who disagree with you and take the time to engage you in discussion.

You probably should have ducked out ahead of time. This kind of thread always has this back and forth banter happen. I don't think I've ever seen a time where this topic was pleasant. This isn't a discussion, or learning experience. It's pretty much always just shouting view points back and forth til someone caves in, or the mods close this thread. If you're frustrated and tired of this, you shouldn't bother. From experience this thread ain't gonna get better, just longer til it's inevitable closing.

[Kamiccolo9]

I am going to force myself not to engage any replies you offer to this. I owe myself better than this frustration, and there is a staff around that will certainly address you if this keeps up. I don't care that you think kid Buu is stronger than super Buu, but at least try to piece together a decent argument and show some reasonable respect for people who disagree with you and take the time to engage you in discussion.

You probably should have ducked out ahead of time. This kind of thread always has this back and forth banter happen. I don't think I've ever seen a time where this topic was pleasant. This isn't a discussion, or learning experience. It's pretty much always just shouting view points back and forth til someone caves in, or the mods close this thread. If you're frustrated and tired of this, you shouldn't bother. From experience this thread ain't gonna get better, just longer til it's inevitable closing.

Every time this thread comes up, somebody gets banned. In the time I've been here, half the bannings I've been around here have been due to this discussion.

[Confidence Matters]

Mr. Boo was the one stopping Evil Boo's power from increasing any higher. You remove Mr. Boo from Evil Boo, he becomes S. Kaioshin Boo which is stronger.


yes

The absorption of the Dai Kaioshin made Fat Boo. Only the Dai Kaioshin lowered Boo's power. Therefore Mr. Boo must be the Dai Kaioshin influence/power. It is only logical.

Dude, what? That does NOT explain why you think Good Boo is equal to Dai Kaioshin.

Matter of fact, forget I asked, it is 100% irrelevant and speculation.

Well you're spouting things like S. Kaioshin didn't increase or decrease Boo's power.

There were only 2 cases of Kaioshins being absorbed by Boo. Only 1 was noted to actually have an effect.

That is an opinion because we don't know if that is a fact. And considering that it is your opinion that S. Kaioshin didn't offer any boost then you must justify your opinion by explaining why he absorbed both characters.

Not an opinion, it i never stated/noted S. Kaioushin affected Boo. Therefore, by default, Kid Boo = Buff Boo.

I can tell you exactly how it would work if S. Kaioshin was an increase in power. Pure Boo fought against S. Kaioshin and, S. Kaioshin being the strongest of the Kaioshin, put up a fight that risked Pure Boo's life. Forcing Pure Boo to absorb him. Pure Boo received a boost from the absorption and like any other person would think absorption is a good thing. He comes across Dai Kaioshin who is no match for him and then proceeds to absorb the Dai Kaioshin thinking it will increase his power. Which leads to his power decreasing.

Speculation. Not real.


Also, it makes literally makes ZERO sense since if Dai Kaioshin (who is equal to Fat Boo according to you) was weaker than Buff Boo (who was stronger than Kid Boo according to you), he wouldn't have have absorbed him, but killed him like he killed the first 2.

Dai Kaioshin is clearly stronger, and thus stronger than Super Boo and Fat Boo. If this absorption made Boo absorption-happy, he would have kept absorbing people. If Fat Boo being tamed by Dai Kaioshin stopped that phase, and weakened him, then how in the world did Super Boo figure it was a good idea to absorb Gotenks SSJ3? When he knows absorptions aren't always good/can alter his entire being, and he clearly likes being Super Boo.

The fact that S. Kaioshin got absorbed and not killed, means S. Kaioshin was stronger than Kid Boo and thus triggered absorption.

The first two didn't trigger absorption because Kid Boo wasn't in danger, he was superior.

The fact that Dai Kaioshin got absorbed means Dai Kaioshin was stronger than Buff Boo, thus he triggered absorption. This would put Dai Kaioshin bove Fat Boo already.

And we know Kid Boo > Fat Boo

So according to you, Fat Boo is as strong as Dai Kaioshin, which is erroneous because that would mean that Fat Boo = Dai Kaioshin > Buff Boo > Super Boo. Which is wildly ridiculous.


Fat Boo is NOT equal to Dai Kaioshin, Dai Kaioshin is definitely much stronger.

S. Kaioshin > Dai Kaioshin > Kid Boo => Buff Boo > Super Boo > Fat Boo

Secondly if Kid Boo was so absorption-happy when he was Buff Boo because he figured "hey this is a good thing!", and likely retained the memory of powering up with warriors and kais not named Dai Kaioshin - why didn't he absorb Vegeta when he faced a allegedly superior/equal Goku SSJ3 to establish superiority against Goku? Why didn't he absorb Goku SSJ3?

He never even attempted absorption once.

Trauma after the Dai Kaioshin incident, unlikely since Super Boo still resorted to it TWICE afterwards.

This means this conclusion: Goku was not in Kid Boo's league, he was far below it

[Confidence Matters]

Right. So does that mean I have to study global climate in order to believe climate change takes place? Because what you are saying implies that I should disregard the consensus of the scientific community because I don't have a PhD in climate/weather science.

You have, in claiming I am committing a logical fallacy, committed one yourself. Silly.

You're the one who brought up the importance of secondary fact-checking, yet you have done zero yourself.

Your logic is as follows: Viz = Official translation of the manga = the objectively correct version of the story.

If you apply that same logic to the English dub, you get this: FUNImation = Official translation of the anime = the objectively correct version of the story.

English/any dub is 100% irrelevant to this discussion, since it pertains to the ANIME, and not the Manga. The VizBig edition and all editions alike pertain to the manga. It takes precedence over the anime 100% of time.

Incorrect. That scene takes place in the original manga. Therefore, if FUNImation had translated the manga, then the official version of the manga in English would say that Bardock is a brilliant scientist, and then you would believe that is the true and correct version of the story. How do you not understand how baseless that type of thinking is?

Englsih/any dub is 100% irrelevant to this discussion, since it pertains to the ANIME, and not the Manga. The VizBig edition and all editions alike pertain to the manga. It takes precedence over the anime 100% of time.

Not true. It was FUNImations dub of an official scene that took place in the Manga. Since FUNImation produces the "official" English version, that means (again, by your frequently stated "logic") that Bardock invented the moon ball technique that Vegeta uses and that everybody has to agree that such is true in the Anime. Because "official".

Englsih/any dub is 100% irrelevant to this discussion, since it pertains to the ANIME, and not the Manga. The VizBig edition and all editions alike pertain to the manga. It takes precedence over the anime 100% of time.

You have no objective grounds for saying it is more accurate than any other. It has already been demonstrated why that type of thinking is incorrect.

I don't need to, I'm going by official sources. Get those Herms lines validated and officially published on the mangas and then we'll talk.

[dbzfan7]

I am going to force myself not to engage any replies you offer to this. I owe myself better than this frustration, and there is a staff around that will certainly address you if this keeps up. I don't care that you think kid Buu is stronger than super Buu, but at least try to piece together a decent argument and show some reasonable respect for people who disagree with you and take the time to engage you in discussion.

You probably should have ducked out ahead of time. This kind of thread always has this back and forth banter happen. I don't think I've ever seen a time where this topic was pleasant. This isn't a discussion, or learning experience. It's pretty much always just shouting view points back and forth til someone caves in, or the mods close this thread. If you're frustrated and tired of this, you shouldn't bother. From experience this thread ain't gonna get better, just longer til it's inevitable closing.

Every time this thread comes up, somebody gets banned. In the time I've been here, half the bannings I've been around here have been due to this discussion.

I don't even think that's an exaggeration. This topic has got plenty of people banned. Though don't embellish your point too much there friendo.

[khalildh]

In order to understand the Boo saga one must first realize that up until Goku gains his life back he does not want to use SSJ3 or be the world's savior again.

Goku first does not want to fight Majin Boo and says he has a fusion technique to teach. Mind you Goku doesn't even suggest Goten and Trunks, that is Mr. Popo. Goku then says he will stall so they can learn the technique. Goku doesn't want to win because he knows one day a stronger threat may arise.

The next time we see Goku on earth is when Super Boo has absorbed earth's hope Gotenks and is about to destroy earth's hope number 2 Gohan. This is the next time we see SSJ3.

So far there is an example set of Goku only using SSJ3 in dire situations. The first one where stalling and not finishing the threat is best for the potential future, and the next time where everyone else on the planet is already dead and the Earth's last hope is about to die. Goku isn't strong enough to defeat this threat, but it does help him.

The next time we see Goku is when he is with Vegeta, and the one thing Goku does not want to do is mess with Vegeta's pride. That is why all throughout there fight Goku does not even hint at a new form. Even still while facing the dire outcome of dieing against Super Boo, Goku still does not want to use SSJ3. Goku says they will find another way to win. He does not want to have to use SSJ3 to win because he thinks it is unfair.

Goku only again decides to use SSJ3 as another last resort when both Gotenks and Gohan, the earth's potential saviors are dead.

tldr;

As you can see the Boo saga is really about how Goku, the word's hero, no longer feels responsible for the world and must make tough and seemingly unorthodox decisions in order to get the next generation ready for a world without him. However it all back fires when he must come to the realization that he is the only one capable of saving the day.

Pure Boo > Evil Boo > Majin Boo

First Goku does not want to be the savior.
Then Goku does not want to have to use SSJ3 in front of Vegeta.
Finally Goku has no other options and must save the day.

The story is really simple when you look at it that way, and the narration fits perfectly in line with this.

[Hitiro]

Speculation. Not real.

So is your argument that S. Kaioshin offered no increase or decrease. So I guess I should just say "not real" too then.

Also, it makes literally makes ZERO sense since if Dai Kaioshin (who is equal to Fat Boo according to you) was weaker than Buff Boo (who was stronger than Kid Boo according to you), he wouldn't have have absorbed him, but killed him like he killed the first 2.

I don't know how it makes zero sense. Considering S. Kaioshin Boo would believe that absorbing Dai Kaioshin would increase his power. As S. Kaioshin increased Pure Boo's power. That would be the reason he did it. It's entirely logical. Anybody on this forum can see this.

Dai Kaioshin is clearly stronger, and thus stronger than Super Boo and Fat Boo. If this absorption made Boo absorption-happy, he would have kept absorbing people. If Fat Boo being tamed by Dai Kaioshin stopped that phase, and weakened him, then how in the world did Super Boo figure it was a good idea to absorb Gotenks SSJ3? When he knows absorptions aren't always good/can alter his entire being, and he clearly likes being Super Boo.

You already stated to another person in this thread that you believe Mr. Boo represents all Kai's. So how does Mr. Boo who equals Dai Kaioshin + S. Kaioshin still come out as weaker than Fat Boo or Pure Boo? It is clear why Evil Boo thought it was a good idea to absorb SSJ3 Gotenks. Because Pure Evil Boo absorbed Mr. Boo to become Evil Boo. We can't even confirm that Boo even remembers the original absorptions either from this point on-wards. So it may be that Pure Evil Boo didn't even know about the previous absorptions. He was a manifestation of the Evil inside Fat Boo after all.

The fact that S. Kaioshin got absorbed and not killed, means S. Kaioshin was stronger than Kid Boo and thus triggered absorption.

Then Mr. Boo(Who represents all Kaioshin) should be stronger than Pure Boo by your argument. Yet Mr. Boo is getting his ass handed to him by Pure Boo. You can't have S. Kaioshin stronger than a character who is him plus Dai Kaioshin. That's not how maths works. Either S. Kaioshin is just strong enough to beat Pure Boo and Dai Kaioshin is not that strong. Or S. Kaioshin is not strong and Dai Kaioshin is. To put it in simple terms:

Scenario 1
S. Kaioshin: 5
Dai Kaioshin: 1
Mr. Boo: 5 +1
Pure Boo: 7

Scenario 2
S. Kaioshin: 1
Dai Kaioshin: 5
Mr. Boo: 5+1
Pure Boo: 7

But clearly in scenario 2 there is no reason for Pure Boo to absorb S. Kaioshin.

The first two didn't trigger absorption because Kid Boo wasn't in danger, he was superior.

I pretty much stated in my point post previously that S. Kaioshin forced Pure Boo to absorb him because he was winning/beating Pure Boo.

The fact that Dai Kaioshin got absorbed means Dai Kaioshin was stronger than Buff Boo, thus he triggered absorption. This would put Dai Kaioshin bove Fat Boo already.

Or S. Kaioshin Boo felt the power increase of the absorption and wanted more power so he absorbed Dai Kaioshin. You really have to make up your mind. Because if you believe Dai Kaioshin > Fat Boo. Then you must believe that Mr. Boo > Pure Boo. Because Mr. Boo, by your own admission, is a representation of both Kaioshin. Thus he would have both of their Ki pools.

So according to you, Fat Boo is as strong as Dai Kaioshin, which is erroneous because that would mean that Fat Boo = Dai Kaioshin > Buff Boo > Super Boo. Which is wildly ridiculous.

Then where did all of the Dai Kaioshin's Ki go? It is simple mathematics. That Ki had to go somewhere. And let's set this straight. I'm saying Mr. Boo = Dai Kaioshin. Not Fat Boo. Fat Boo is Mr. Boo prior to splitting with his evil side.

Fat Boo is NOT equal to Dai Kaioshin, Dai Kaioshin is definitely much stronger.

Then I'll keep asking you. Where did the Ki go? Because if you absorb something it will either negatively effect you or positively affect you. Mr. Boo got the Dai Kaioshin Ki, because he is practically Dai Kaioshin incarnate. So where did the majority of the Dai Kaioshin Ki go. Where does Mr. Boo's Ki come from?

Secondly if Kid Boo was so absorption-happy when he was Buff Boo because he figured "hey this is a good thing!", and likely retained the memory of powering up with warriors and kais not named Dai Kaioshin - why didn't he absorb Vegeta when he faced a allegedly superior/equal Goku SSJ3 to establish superiority against Goku? Why didn't he absorb Goku SSJ3?

Why did he not absorb Vegeta or Goku, or Mr. Boo when Goku had the Genki Dama above his head? Because the Genki Dama was something he feared. Why didn't Boo just blow up the planet? He would have survived and the Saiyan's wouldn't have.

Trauma after the Dai Kaioshin incident, unlikely since Super Boo still resorted to it TWICE afterwards.

Evil Boo states that he wouldn't be himself if Mr. Boo was removed. So it is entirely possible he doesn't recall the experiences. Being a new Boo.

This means this conclusion: Goku was not in Kid Boo's league, he was far below it

All you've done is spout off stuff that doesn't make sense. Like Mr. Boo being a representation of the Kaioshin yet having none of their Ki. Because that Ki has somehow vanished into the ether. So not really, honestly this just seems like a really poor attempt to salvage your opinion. A massive percentage of the community believe that Evil Boo > Pure Boo more than the percentage that believe Pure Boo > Evil Boo. So unless like 90% of the community is wrong and you're a genius then I really would evaluate your opinion and try to be open to new idea's.

Because most of this thread you've spent speculating things over actual factual statements that disagree with your opinion.

[Confidence Matters]

No, the battle leads us to that conclusion.

False, I already addressed this.

Then you need to read the fight again. Neither show a notable advantage over the other. That's an equal battle.

False, I already addressed this

Fat Boo did it because he was hungry, did it against Evil Boo because he was getting his ass kicked, and used it against Kid Boo because he was getting his ass kicked.

So we established Boo uses that beam at random.

The use of this attack follows no specific pattern in the story, so don't even try to pretend it does

THAT IS MY POINT LOL. THANK YOU. You're the one trying to establish its pattern to mean that Boo uses that beam only on stronger opponents. Since the use of that beam is too wild and inconclusive, then you cannot say "Kid Boo was going all out against Goku, he used that beam on Goku."

Weren't you the guy claiming Goku's weaker than Fat Boo because he didn't resort to absorption?

Now I'm certain you're trolling.

Absorption is a far bigger indicator of the fight than the beam candy is. 100% of the time we see Boo use absorption, it is to beat a more powerful opponent because he couldn't on his own. The fact that Boo doesn't use it against SSJ3 Goku means Boo wasn't equal to nor weaker than Goku. Kid Boo was stronger and had no need to absorb anyone to beat Goku. Or else he would have done it.

Nothing about Kid Boo's power being an issue. Your opinion.

VizBig has Goku saying "his chi never goes down a bit!"

Kid Boo's chi was an issue! Haha

Read the fight. Kid Boo certainly isn't shown overpowering Goku in that battle.

Because Kid boo held back. As I already established with feats from the manga. And original dialog too.

Yet he didn't.

Because Spirit Bomb and Good Boo helping, and Hercule, and Vegeta, etc.

Because it's the best option, not because Kid Boo was stronger. That was stated before Goku even showed his full-power, anyway.

Goku had already shown his full power to Bootenks and every already felt it. Elder Kai STILL insisted in fusion.

This is pure conjecture. We've never seen Kid Boo's use of absorption, so inserting this reasoning is nothing more than, surprise surprise, your opinion.

It is more than established that the main trigger for absorption is survival.

It was an uncharged Kamehameha, not a full-power one. What's the point of having Vegeta say an attack utilizing all of his power in Super Saiyan 3 would be enough to wipe Kid Boo out if it was already done? Furthermore, why would Goku think it'd be any different this time around if Kid Boo was still in peak condition? That sure makes sense.

Goku said he was going to go all out, so based on this, it means that kamehameha was 100%.

Wrong. Goku was hoping to damage Boo by blasting a hole through him. They were panicking when Boo formed inside of himself, so there's no semblance of confidence there.

LOL Goku's entire interaction with Super Boo was trying to bluff/flex on Super Boo. He arrogantly thinks he could damage Super Boo with his measly SSj1, which further proves Goku in SSJ1 was still arrogant and set the precedent for the next few pages when he assesses Kid Boo's power. And the precedence that Goku overestimates his own abilities in the Boo saga.

Ruining any credibility Goku has, especially when he admits to trying to show off for Vegeta.

It's over.

Says you. The guy who believes Fat Boo is stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku.

yep,says Goku himself.

Boo even tells them they can't do anything after finding out they can no longer merge. Where was this Saiyan arrogance when the "weaker" Super Boo was in front of them? Nowhere!

Except Goku suddenly started flexing on Super Boo when he appeared attempting to scare him.

There's that arrogance.

They would have fought had Vegeta not teared Good Boo down.

And still thinks he can blast Kid Boo into ashes if he has a minute.

Arrogance.

Only because Goku had no idea Super Saiyan 3 was so draining

FALSE. He actually did because he was SSJ3 against Fat Boo at HALF power allegedly and he STILL was fatigued as all fuck. He also had first had experience with the form in his live body when he attempted to face Bootenks.

Goku overestimated the effects of Super Saiyan 3 is more like it.

Arrogance.

Even when taking this into consideration, he still thinks he could finish Kid Boo off. Stated.

Saiyan arrogance

How does being arrogant change the fact that he fought an equal battle with Kid Boo? Hint: it doesn't.

Goku was damged and fatigued while Boo was 100% fresh & new. Goku dealt zero damage despite pouring into he has into his attacks. Because he said he was going 100%.

The transition from the Kaioshin Boo to Kid Boo resulted in a weaker Boo.

Your speculation. Nothing states this. You cannot find me where it says "Kid Boo's power elvel went down when he reverted from Buff Boo to Kid Boo." Boo was stated to become stronger once Good Boo was removed from him. Period.

Mr. Boo represents Dai Kaioshin, actually. South Kaioshin's essence was still within Kid Boo, which explains why he had to transition through that form before reaching his real form. So no, that power was not Kid Boo's. If it was that simple, he would've went from Super Boo to Kid Boo, not Super Boo to Kaioshin Boo to Kid Boo. Therefore, some part of South Kaioshin exists outside of Mr. Boo for that to even take place.

His essence was not within Boo because he would have reverted into Fat Boo.

No essense was in Kid Boo because he had zero pods sourcing anything to him.

Kid Boo did no damage to Goku, so what are you saying? Those Kamehameha's weren't at full-power. No idea why you keep saying that.

AHAHAHAHAH. Goku was beat up with hella scratches and breathing extra heavy.

Fat Boo took Dabra out in two attacks, then turned Dabra into a cookie because he was hungry

I already explained this.

[singsing]

AHAHAHAHAH. Goku was beat up with hella scratches and breathing extra heavy.

Unfortunately, Goku suffers from a lack of regeneration and unlimited stamina. What's even more unfortunate is SSJ3 drains his energy faster than normal.

[Confidence Matters]

So is your argument that S. Kaioshin offered no increase or decrease. So I guess I should just say "not real" too then.

I don't know how it makes zero sense. Considering S. Kaioshin Boo would believe that absorbing Dai Kaioshin would increase his power. As S. Kaioshin increased Pure Boo's power. That would be the reason he did it. It's entirely logical. Anybody on this forum can see this.

Except that isn't the reason Boo uses absorption - he uses it to survive. And only when he needs to. Otherwise he would have absorbed the first 2 kais. He ran into S. Kai and absorbed him becuase he had to. Same thing when he ran into Dai Kaioshin.

You already stated to another person in this thread that you believe Mr. Boo represents all Kai's. So how does Mr. Boo who equals Dai Kaioshin + S. Kaioshin still come out as weaker than Fat Boo or Pure Boo?

LOL because the kais WEAKENED Boo.

It is clear why Evil Boo thought it was a good idea to absorb SSJ3 Gotenks. Because Pure Evil Boo absorbed Mr. Boo to become Evil Boo. We can't even confirm that Boo even remembers the original absorptions either from this point on-wards. So it may be that Pure Evil Boo didn't even know about the previous absorptions. He was a manifestation of the Evil inside Fat Boo after all.

This becomes nothing but speculation, that is why I said this before speaking about the kais vs. Boo.

Then Mr. Boo(Who represents all Kaioshin) should be stronger than Pure Boo by your argument.

Kaioshin weakened Boo. So no, Mr. Boo is not stronger than Kid boo. Not even close.

Yet Mr. Boo is getting his ass handed to him by Pure Boo. You can't have S. Kaioshin stronger than a character who is him plus Dai Kaioshin. That's not how maths works. Either S. Kaioshin is just strong enough to beat Pure Boo and Dai Kaioshin is not that strong. Or S. Kaioshin is not strong and Dai Kaioshin is. To put it in simple terms:

Scenario 1
S. Kaioshin: 5
Dai Kaioshin: 1
Mr. Boo: 5 +1
Pure Boo: 7

Scenario 2
S. Kaioshin: 1
Dai Kaioshin: 5
Mr. Boo: 5+1
Pure Boo: 7

But clearly in scenario 2 there is no reason for Pure Boo to absorb S. Kaioshin.

Sigh. Speculation, I will not engage in fan-fiction.

I pretty much stated in my point post previously that S. Kaioshin forced Pure Boo to absorb him because he was winning/beating Pure Boo.

Bingo bruh

Or S. Kaioshin Boo felt the power increase of the absorption and wanted more power so he absorbed Dai Kaioshin. You really have to make up your mind. Because if you believe Dai Kaioshin > Fat Boo. Then you must believe that Mr. Boo > Pure Boo. Because Mr. Boo, by your own admission, is a representation of both Kaioshin. Thus he would have both of their Ki pools.

Representation of BOTH kaioshin thus is weaker as a result.

Then where did all of the Dai Kaioshin's Ki go? It is simple mathematics. That Ki had to go somewhere. And let's set this straight. I'm saying Mr. Boo = Dai Kaioshin. Not Fat Boo. Fat Boo is Mr. Boo prior to splitting with his evil side.

mr Boo cannot be as strong as Dai Kaioshin because that would make Mr. Boo stronger than Buff Boo.

Then I'll keep asking you. Where did the Ki go? Because if you absorb something it will either negatively effect you or positively affect you. Mr. Boo got the Dai Kaioshin Ki, because he is practically Dai Kaioshin incarnate. So where did the majority of the Dai Kaioshin Ki go. Where does Mr. Boo's Ki come from?

It doesn't say in the manga, therefore it is speculation.

Why did he not absorb Vegeta or Goku, or Mr. Boo when Goku had the Genki Dama above his head? Because the Genki Dama was something he feared. Why didn't Boo just blow up the planet? He would have survived and the Saiyan's wouldn't have.

He didn't have the time, as he was standing there in shock at something he never felt/seen before in his life. Plus he thought he could finish Goku off for good when he attempted to attack him with a ki blast - thus he wasted the perfect opportunity to react properly to it. He didn't need to take such drastic measures to get rid of Base Goku, so he didn't.

Evil Boo states that he wouldn't be himself if Mr. Boo was removed. So it is entirely possible he doesn't recall the experiences. Being a new Boo.

However, Super Boo has memories of Fat Boo, who has memories of Kid Boo/Buff Boo/Skinny Boo. Proof: he remembers Gohan, he remembers Goku. Thus he remembers the absorptions.

All you've done is spout off stuff that doesn't make sense. Like Mr. Boo being a representation of the Kaioshin yet having none of their Ki. Because that Ki has somehow vanished into the ether. So not really, honestly this just seems like a really poor attempt to salvage your opinion. A massive percentage of the community believe that Evil Boo > Pure Boo more than the percentage that believe Pure Boo > Evil Boo. So unless like 90% of the community is wrong and you're a genius then I really would evaluate your opinion and try to be open to new idea's.

My posts are damn near impeccable. You aren't disputing anything correctly.

[Herms]

In order to understand the Boo saga one must first realize that up until Goku gains his life back he does not want to use SSJ3 or be the world's savior again.

Goku first does not want to fight Majin Boo and says he has a fusion technique to teach. Mind you Goku doesn't even suggest Goten and Trunks, that is Mr. Popo. Goku then says he will stall so they can learn the technique. Goku doesn't want to win because he knows one day a stronger threat may arise.

The next time we see Goku on earth is when Super Boo has absorbed earth's hope Gotenks and is about to destroy earth's hope number 2 Gohan. This is the next time we see SSJ3.

So far there is an example set of Goku only using SSJ3 in dire situations. The first one where stalling and not finishing the threat is best for the potential future, and the next time where everyone else on the planet is already dead and the Earth's last hope is about to die. Goku isn't strong enough to defeat this threat, but it does help him.

The next time we see Goku is when he is with Vegeta, and the one thing Goku does not want to do is mess with Vegeta's pride. That is why all throughout there fight Goku does not even hint at a new form. Even still while facing the dire outcome of dieing against Super Boo, Goku still does not want to use SSJ3. Goku says they will find another way to win. He does not want to have to use SSJ3 to win because he thinks it is unfair.

Goku only again decides to use SSJ3 as another last resort when both Gotenks and Gohan, the earth's potential saviors are dead.

tldr;

As you can see the Boo saga is really about how Goku, the word's hero, no longer feels responsible for the world and must make tough and seemingly unorthodox decisions in order to get the next generation ready for a world without him. However it all back fires when he must come to the realization that he is the only one capable of saving the day.

Pure Boo > Evil Boo > Majin Boo

First Goku does not want to be the savior.
Then Goku does not want to have to use SSJ3 in front of Vegeta.
Finally Goku has no other options and must save the day.

The story is really simple when you look at it that way, and the narration fits perfectly in line with this.

Hands down the most interesting and insightful post on this topic I've seen in ages. Thank you for proving that it is possible to discuss this topic in an intelligent manner, without insulting or belittling anybody with a difference opinion.

That said, I'm going to shut this thread down, for the time being at least. It's quite clearly on a bad trajectory. It's the same old pattern of a handful of people saying everything they have to say on the first page or two, then getting into an endless back-and-forth with each other where they restate the same arguments, but ruder and ruder each time. Yes, Confidence Matters seems to be the main culprit this time around, but there's plenty of other not-as-rude people who still keep trying to get the last word in despite the fact that the conversation is going nowhere. Experience shows that if left alone, this type of situation eventually devolves to the point where we have to lock the thread and/or issue bans and account strikes and other tedious things.

The topic is fine. There's no reason people can't have good discussions about this topic. It's the way people choose to behave that's the problem.