Shisami managing to land even one shot at Piccolo is BS

[Doctor.]

Maybe his new uniform gave him super powers ^^

If Sorbet's ring managed to hurt Goku, I wouldn't doubt it.

[rereboy]

They really just had to put a line saying "Shisami had been training with Lord Freeza, it's no wonder he's giving the Namekian trouble!" to put most of the concerns to rest. I hope they add more exposition with the extended cut.

Freeza becoming that strong in 4 months with unspecified training is bad enough... Now a random alien is also such a prodigy that he becomes Imperfect Cell level in 4 months with just training with Freeza...?

It's still better than having no explanation at all at how he's supposedly giving Piccolo trouble.

Unless the explanation is actually a good one that makes us feel satisfied with the scenario, its not much better.

[Dayspring]

All we know about Shishami is A) he's a hyper-elite alien and B) the end result of the four months is that he gets in some hits on a fatigued Piccolo. It's really not unrealistic to assume he can become this powerful.

If humans, Nameks and Saiyans can do it, aliens that are naturally stronger than them should be able to do it even better. The reason it's so rare is because it's insanely stupid to even attempt it, but the series repeatedly shows that it's possible as long as you try hard enough.

[SSJsambosoldier]

I don't think Shisami is as weak as Zarbon. Gohan had to become a Super Saiyan just to take him out. He probably got a power-up from training or something.

Great stuff you wrote btw. A good explaination with Freeza's untapped potential would be training along with an alien steroid of some sort developed by Freeza's scientist to really give him an explaination in his extreme boost in power. Real Life Mixed Martial Artists who have used steroids and Testosterone Theraphy have had a proven incredible results in performance. The japanese organizations would allow steroids and you would see spectacular fights and finishes in fights.

[ZombieVito]

Someone who is on par with Perfect Cell ??? WTF ?! During Cell Tournament, Goku clearly stated how Piccolo was useless against Perfect Cell and 7 years later even if he is better it's the same. He is OS by Dabra (Perfect Cell level) who think he is as useless as Kibito. He shit on his pant against Kaioshin stated to be far weaker than Dabra. Even Daizenshu implies the huge gap between Piccolo and Kaioshin. All this is STATED in the Manga.

And now you have the confirmation with Fukkatsu no F.
Shisami gave Piccolo some problems.
Although he was finally totally OS by Ss Gohan.
Stop it right now. You're in deep denial.

He might not be on par with Full Power Perfect Cell but he is on par with other versions of him. Be it the Perfect Cell that owned Super Vegeta or the one who fought SSJ Goku at the CG. I personally have him close to the latter.

[Saiga]

They really just had to put a line saying "Shisami had been training with Lord Freeza, it's no wonder he's giving the Namekian trouble!" to put most of the concerns to rest. I hope they add more exposition with the extended cut.

Freeza becoming that strong in 4 months with unspecified training is bad enough... Now a random alien is also such a prodigy that he becomes Imperfect Cell level in 4 months with just training with Freeza...?

It's still better than having no explanation at all at how he's supposedly giving Piccolo trouble.

It'd be even better just to not have him be that strong. I mean if we're talking about hypotheticals here, let's not settle for something that's still pretty poor.

[The Monkey King]

This Piccolo got 'tired' stuff is BS. How could Piccolo get tired from holding back against aliens who Master Roshi could defeat? It's like me getting tired from flicking a balloon away 10 times, it doesn't make sense.

This is the same series where saiyan saga level fighters had enough stamina to run a hypersonic speeds for 28 hours non stop. Now a character who is leagues beyond saiyan saga Goku is tired holding back against mooks?

Nah, poor writing plain and simple.

[AvatarReiko]

The whole "Piccolo getting tired from fighting mooks" argument is flawed. Thats like saying that Cell would get tired after fighting 1000 Yamchas.

[Hugo Boss]

I think the Z-Fighters in general were nerfed to make Freeza's army relevant. I'll try to adjust to the new power hierarchy by shrinking their numbers. Other than that, the characters could have set the level they would use to fight those soldiers without killing and it happens that Shisame is at least 20 times stronger than them.

Remember when Freeza killed Tagoma? Super Saiyan Gohan would just need to be close to that level. If the soldiers' powerlevel is about 1,000, Shisame's would be 20,000, Piccolo's could be at 18,000 and Gohan's at 10,000. Then, SS Gohan powers-up to 500,000 while still being weaker than Freeza, who is now at 1,370,000.

[buutenks]

I think the Z-Fighters in general were nerfed to make Freeza's army relevant. I'll try to adjust to the new power hierarchy by shrinking their numbers. Other than that, the characters could have set the level they would use to fight those soldiers without killing and it happens that Shisame is at least 20 times stronger than them.

Remember when Freeza killed Tagoma? Super Saiyan Gohan would just need to be close to that level. If the soldiers' powerlevel is about 1,000, Shisame's would be 20,000, Piccolo's could be at 18,000 and Gohan's at 10,000. Then, SS Gohan powers-up to 500,000 while still being weaker than Freeza, who is now at 1,370,000.

That actually makes sense.

Nerf train incoming ^^

[Doctor.]

Wasn't the 1.37M battle power confirmed fake?

[Kaboom]

The movie simply isn't adhering to "traditional" fan-upheld notions regarding group battles and power level differences. I personally find it refreshing.

Piccolo fights hundreds of random mooks while intentionally holding back enough strength/effort to NOT kill them, and as a result is tired enough that a particularly strong mook can actually land a few blows.

If, like, a chipmunk attacked a pro MMA fighter, obviously he could smack it away pretty easily. But if one or two HUNDRED chipmunks swarmed him, after fending them off he'd be tired, and have a harder time dealing with the badger they called in as backup.

[Doctor.]

The movie simply isn't adhering to "traditional" fan-upheld notions regarding group battles and power level differences. I personally find it refreshing.

Piccolo fights hundreds of random mooks while intentionally holding back enough strength/effort to NOT kill them, and as a result is tired enough that a particularly strong mook can actually land a few blows.

If, like, a chipmunk attacked a pro MMA fighter, obviously he could smack it away pretty easily. But if one or two HUNDRED chipmunks swarmed him, after fending them off he'd be tired, and have a harder time dealing with the badger they called in as backup.

These aren't chipmunks and badgers, these are small ants and a slightly bigger ant.

[AvatarReiko]

The movie simply isn't adhering to "traditional" fan-upheld notions regarding group battles and power level differences. I personally find it refreshing.

Piccolo fights hundreds of random mooks while intentionally holding back enough strength/effort to NOT kill them, and as a result is tired enough that a particularly strong mook can actually land a few blows.

If, like, a chipmunk attacked a pro MMA fighter, obviously he could smack it away pretty easily. But if one or two HUNDRED chipmunks swarmed him, after fending them off he'd be tired, and have a harder time dealing with the badger they called in as backup.

An army of ants cannot wear down a Lion, no matter how many of them there are. By your logic, a thousand Nappas could wear down Frieza Raditzs if they ganged up. Piccolo is so much stronger that he can tank their hits and blow them away with no effort whatsoever.

[rereboy]

Piccolo fights hundreds of random mooks while intentionally holding back enough strength/effort to NOT kill them, and as a result is tired enough that a particularly strong mook can actually land a few blows.

If, like, a chipmunk attacked a pro MMA fighter, obviously he could smack it away pretty easily. But if one or two HUNDRED chipmunks swarmed him, after fending them off he'd be tired, and have a harder time dealing with the badger they called in as backup.

I really don't think that makes any sense... Saiyans with power levels beneath 5000 conquered entire planets by themselves, fighting millions of people. Not to mention all the times we see how easy it is for a dramatically stronger character to take care of weak fighters, like when Future Trunks took care of those Freeza's soldiers in a instant. It just doesn't make sense for a character who is at least semi-perfect Cell level of power to be considerably tired from fighting a few hundred soldiers that even Roshi can beat, no matter if he is trying to kill them or not.

[Marco Polo]

fighting millions of people.

Yeah no.

[rereboy]

fighting millions of people.

Yeah no.

No? Taking Earth as an average planet, just China alone has an army of over 2 million people, and that's just the army that they have at the ready... if there was a war they would summon lots of more able bodied men to fight, increasing that number by a LOT. Now imagine that it's not just China, it's the whole world fighting against an invader. Only, since this is happening on the Dragon World, an hypothetical world with a population close to that of an average planet like Earth wouldn't have just tech like we do in the real world to fight, but also fighters (with Ki) that, despite being pretty weak, are very numerous.

Are you suggesting that all the planets that those saiyans conquered were WAY less populated than Earth and all of them just had a a few thousands or hundred of thousands people in it? Because that's the only they wouldn't have to fight millions of people.

And if a large population is such a great of a factor, why did Saiyans and everyone else consider Earth to be an easy and weak planet? Even if Earth's average power is very small, by numbers alone they would be a challenge to any normal Saiyan by himself.

[Kaboom]

The invading Saiyan teams weren't concerned with restraining themselves to avoid killing their enemies. Not to mention that a lot of their victims would have been non-combatant civilians who didn't or even couldn't fight back.

[rereboy]

The invading Saiyan teams weren't concerned with restraining themselves to avoid killing their enemies.

Should we assume that, when Nappa and Vegeta landed on Earth on that city, if 300 humans from that city decided to attack Nappa and Nappa decided to fight them hand to hand and knock them out, without killing them, he would spend more energy and stamina doing it than he spent with the huge explosion he created that destroyed the entire city and was felt in the entire planet?

I don't see why it takes more stamina and energy to knock out a few hundred fighters who are just fodder than to blow up huge areas with everything and everyone in it, including the same or an even greater number of fighters. Doesn't make much sense to me.

Not to mention that a lot of their victims would have been non-combatant civilians who didn't or even couldn't fight back.

I was already taking that into consideration. I was assuming that most of the population would be non-combatant, which is why I said millions and not billions.

[TheGmGoken]

They was only fighting for 10 seconds.

How can they be tired?