Discussion, generally of an in-universe nature, regarding any aspect of the franchise (including movies, spin-offs, etc.) such as: techniques, character relationships, internal back-history, its universe, and more.
Which version of Gogeta are we talking about? EOZ? GT? SSJ1, SSJ2, SSJ3 etc.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Zephyr wrote:Ed and Rolf Potara Fusion vs Vegetto and Whis Potara Fusion (assuming we grant that fusions can fuse once more).
Vegetto/Whis takes this. Whis' time rewind abilities are too broken to be avoided.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Which version of Gogeta are we talking about? EOZ? GT? SSJ1, SSJ2, SSJ3 etc.
Sorry. Oozaru Gogeta (Movie 12).
Oozaru Baby Vegeta wrecks Oozaru Gogeta. Then Oozaru Evil Bardock one shots Oozaru Baby Vegeta because Evil Bardock is stupidly strong according to Dragon Ball Heroes.
Doctor. wrote:Beerus vs two Golden Freezas
Beerus still takes down the both of them. But he has to work a little hard to win.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
- Yamcha wins with effort
- Cyborg Tao stomps
- Bacterian wins
soduh2 wrote:Power levels equalized
Goku and Vegeta vs Vegito and Vegito
Or
Goku vs Vegito
and
Vegeta vs Vegito
I... frankly don't know what you mean with this.
I guess... Vegetto wins.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
I think his question is what if Goku and Vegetto had the same battle power, who would win. Given that Vegetto combines both Goku and Vegeta refined skills and minimizes their weakness, I think Vegetto wins in all scenarios. Gogeta, though, might be someone entirely different.
-It goes eitherway
-Cyborg Tao slices n' dices
-Gyumao loses due to chronic nausea
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
Hugo Boss wrote:I think his question is what if Goku and Vegetto had the same battle power, who would win. Given that Vegetto combines both Goku and Vegeta refined skills and minimizes their weakness, I think Vegetto wins in all scenarios. Gogeta, though, might be someone entirely different.
If power levels are the same and there is no fusion time limit then it's hard to say since they are almost the same character. If it's Movie 12 Gogeta then Gogeta could win given how he takes his fights more seriously compare to Vegito.
Since Vegito has an overall better skillset than either Goku or Vegeta, then Vegito wins due to skill since their power levels are equal. Base Vegito alone should be able to handle both SSJ3 Goku and SSJ2 Vegeta.
Hugo Boss wrote:I think his question is what if Goku and Vegetto had the same battle power, who would win. Given that Vegetto combines both Goku and Vegeta refined skills and minimizes their weakness, I think Vegetto wins in all scenarios. Gogeta, though, might be someone entirely different.
You get it
I actually think that by combining the two sayians you eliminate some of their unique tactics by minimizing their flaws. An under the belt tactic by Vegeta or an unorthodox tactic by Goku are "canceled out" by the fusion.
1. SSjin 2 Gogeta vs. SSjin Vegito
2. Supreme Kai vs. Perfect Cell
3. Piccolo (Cell Games) vs. Artificial Human 16
4. Redjic (GT) vs. SSjin 2 Demon Prince Vegeta
5. SSjin 2 Vegeta (Boo saga - pre Bobbidi) vs. SSjin Gotenks
Chou_Gohan wrote:1. SSjin 2 Gogeta vs. SSjin Vegito
2. Supreme Kai vs. Perfect Cell
3. Piccolo (Cell Games) vs. Artificial Human 16
4. Redjic (GT) vs. SSjin 2 Demon Prince Vegeta
5. SSjin 2 Vegeta (Boo saga - pre Bobbidi) vs. SSjin Gotenks
1. Vegetto stomps even in base.
2. Cell reverts to his Imperfect form and one-shots Kaioshin.
3. Kamiccolo completely tools #16.
4. Ledgic stomps Vegeta's guts in.
5. Goku's statement about Gotenks being able to beat Fat Buu was never contested, and a stronger Vegeta got beat by said Buu. There's no way Gotenks can lose this.
TheGmGoken wrote:GT Pan(rage) vs Goten and Trunks (no fusion)
I have Pan winning.
Depends, GT Trunks and Goten, or Z Trunks and Goten?
GT Pan at her peak is above Buu saga Super Vegetto, so either way she beats them easily. Although BoGT Pan would lose to BoGT Trunks and Goten.
Chou_Gohan wrote:1. SSjin 2 Gogeta vs. SSjin Vegito
2. Supreme Kai vs. Perfect Cell
3. Piccolo (Cell Games) vs. Artificial Human 16
4. Redjic (GT) vs. SSjin 2 Demon Prince Vegeta
5. SSjin 2 Vegeta (Boo saga - pre Bobbidi) vs. SSjin Gotenks
- Vegetto stomps
- Perfect Cell one shots
- Piccolo dominates #16
- Redgic crushes Vegeta
- Gotenks stomps Vegeta
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Chou_Gohan wrote:1. SSjin 2 Gogeta vs. SSjin Vegito
Gogeta. Even though "Potara fusion has a better effect" (considering guidebook information) than Metamoru, the amount of "better effect" is not enough to surpass a level higher than yours.