Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Kendamu]

The minute you go off site, and read some tweets of the staff and other folk, you see some of those comments like "fanboy tears". Stay classy guys.

Much like anyone else, we actually are allowed to be human beings and make comments back and forth among friends on our social media accounts. They might even not be serious! Watch out! Your tears might be assimilated into my ever-growing power!

I, on the other hand was serious. I literally collect fanboy tears, ferment them with grapes, and get drunk off the fact that "My Bulma" SSJ Vegeta completely destroyed 18 years of Power Level speculation in under a minute. Now that Resurrection "F" is here to further that concept, I can become a full blown fanboy tear alcoholic! I call it Fanboy W(h)ine!

Literally!!


In all seriousness, the only thing that I was serious about when he jokingly responded to me is that Power Levels are garbage and I'm glad we're getting a sense of strength that makes more characters useful in battle. I liked seeing characters being useful in the Jump Special and I've wanted to see more of it since then.

[Herms]

Don't know if this makes things better or worse in the strength department, but the script describes Sorbet's ring as a ray gun. In other words, it sounds more like a weapon than anything to do with Sorbet's own personal power. Don't know if that's how it's depicted in the movie. We could just assume Sorbet got some Gero or Mu type genius to knock him up a weapon that would work against Super Saiyans. Though if that's the case, it makes you wonder why they would even need to bother reviving Freeza if they had that kind of technology. Maybe it's a prototype? Well, I personally like the idea of Goku getting taken down a peg due to his overconfidence and careless so much that I'm not too concerned with the details.

Also, the entire sequence is incredibly similar to Goku getting pierced by Piccolo's mouth blast at the end of the 23rd TB. Right down to Goku's friends rushing to try and help but getting stopped by a ki blast from Piccolo/Freeza. Sorry if that's been brought up already, but I've completely lost track of this thread.

[Dyno]

Wendel Bezerra, the original voice actor of Kakarot in Brazil, announcing that all the original cast will return and we should be getting a trailer soon.

A new series and this movie will premiere here with the original cast, too much emotion for me.

[ZombieVito]

I really want a translation for this and the book. Herms will you do a translation?

I'm translating other things in the book, but I'll probably skip over that chart. It looks nice, but it's all stuff we know already, real basic "Cold is Freeza's father" things. Even the Toriyama quote over on the left is just an old recycled quote of his, where he explains the name puns for Freeza and his henchmen.

I see. What does it say about Tarble and the rest? I'm mostly curious about that.

[Tsufuru]

yajirobe cut vegeta's tail cuz he didnt count a 4th guy being on the battlefield.
he was cought off guard even tho their power diffrence was big.

i know its not zarbon-ssjg big but still it was big and knowing how a 3 times power diffrence in dbz can be huge.

[Kakarotto92]

Sorbet specifically says in the movie that this kind of full rejuvenation pod was only recently invented/perfected. Or you could of course continue to keep poking for "plot holes." Enjoy your time in the world of Dragonball.

Decades have past since Freeza died, and Sorbet even says in Toyotaro's manga that the "improved" technology will help Freeza.

Thanks.

Just made a quick research and apparently this movie takes place 16 years after Cold had to turn Freeza into a cyborg to save his life. I find it a bit far-fetched that they can come up with such revolutionary new technology in such a short amount of time but whatever

[dbzfan7]

The minute you go off site, and read some tweets of the staff and other folk, you see some of those comments like "fanboy tears". Stay classy guys.

Much like anyone else, we actually are allowed to be human beings and make comments back and forth among friends on our social media accounts. They might even not be serious! Watch out! Your tears might be assimilated into my ever-growing power!

I, on the other hand was serious. I literally collect fanboy tears, ferment them with grapes, and get drunk off the fact that "My Bulma" SSJ Vegeta completely destroyed 18 years of Power Level speculation in under a minute. Now that Resurrection "F" is here to further that concept, I can become a full blown fanboy tear alcoholic! I call it Fanboy W(h)ine!

Literally!!

In all seriousness, the only thing that I was serious about when he jokingly responded to me is that Power Levels are garbage and I'm glad we're getting a sense of strength that makes more characters useful in battle. I liked seeing characters being useful in the Jump Special and I've wanted to see more of it since then.

Yeah I'm sorry people care about something about fighting in a fighting anime. There's belittling of others, belittling of opinions, etc. Like even now while I may be someone who calls that stupid, I ain't ruined forever or whatever. To someone else though that means more to them. Dragon Ball means a lot to people in several different ways. When I see comments like that I see "Pfft what losers talking about Vegeta's boost" "What a bunch of babies complaining about Freeza's 4 month's of training" "What a bunch of belly achers for complaining about simple designs". "What a bunch of children who care about strength conversation (Last on does at times feel childish though sometimes). That kind of feeling is given off. I know the frustration of people blabbering on about stuff you feel is just stupid, but whether it is or not, it's usually cause they're just huge fans of the series. Sometimes though things definitely go out of hand and I see why remarks are made upon it. If some people really let it ruin things for them, who really cares? That's just how they feel. Your free to think of it as a ridiculous opinion sure, but understand that what means little to may mean more to someone else. Some people may not give a crap about the va's, and some may love them so much they learn all about their careers even outside of Dragon Ball. That's the beauty of Dragon Ball. There's so much to look at it, so much to enjoy from different angles. Some stuff appeals more to others, and some stuff is pointless to other people to even think about.

[FortuneSSJ]

There's no problem Goku being one shoted by Sorbet since it seems he drops his guard.
Not to mention Sorbet pierces his heart with a laser beam. Doesn't matter if he's freaking Goku, heart is still a vital point to him too (see android arc for better understanding).

Its not the first time that a weaker guy damages a stronger guy in this circustances:

- Vegeta suppressed his ki to Krillin blow him up, so he could get a power boost from Dende's revival.
- Goku himself was knocked out by Majin Vegeta after droping his guarding.

I can give more examples. This things can happen and they aren't wrong, depending the circumstances.

[Vegitofaxx]

There's no problem Goku being one shoted by Sorbet since it seems he drops his guard.
Not to mention sobert pierces his heart with a laser beam. Doesn't matter if he's freaking Goku, heart is still a vital point to him too (see androic arc for better understanding).

Its not the first time that a weaker guy damages a stronger guy either

- Vegeta surpressed his ki to Krillin blow him up, so he could get a power boost from Dende's revival.
- Goku himself was knocked out by Majin Vegeta after droping his guarding.

I can give more examples. This things can happen and they aren't wrong, depending the circustances.

And the fact that Yajirobe could cut Vegeta's tail off. He was caught off guard by a weaker character with a powerful tool, just like Goku and Sorbet.

[rereboy]

There's no problem Goku being one shoted by Sorbet since it seems he drops his guard.
Not to mention Sorbet pierces his heart with a laser beam. Doesn't matter if he's freaking Goku, heart is still a vital point to him too (see androic arc for better understanding).

Its not the first time that a weaker guy damages a stronger guy in this circustances:

- Vegeta suppressed his ki to Krillin blow him up, so he could get a power boost from Dende's revival.
- Goku himself was knocked out by Majin Vegeta after droping his guarding.

I can give more examples. This things can happen and they aren't wrong, depending the circumstances.

Vegeta purposely suppressed his power with the objective of being seriously injured and despite this he still tanked an hesitant ki blast from Krillin with his hand and demanded a stronger one because that one was insufficient. So, if anything, this just demonstrates that even when a fighter like Vegeta wants to get hurt, the attack still has to be somewhat significant. Actually, this was filler. My bad. Anyway, Goku got distracted, not purposely lowered his power to a certain level to get seriously injured on purpose.

Majin Vegeta was as strong as Goku and hit him with a powerful blow.

[FortuneSSJ]

Majin Vegeta was as strong as Goku and hit him with a powerful blow.

That's why Vegeta cried on afterlife after seeing Goku turn ssj3.
And no. Goku was knocked out, not only because Vegeta was strong, but because he hit him on his nape. There's no difference.

[rereboy]

Majin Vegeta was as strong as Goku and hit him with a powerful blow.

That's why Vegeta cried on afterlife after seeing Goku turn ssj3.
And no. Goku was knocked out, because Vegeta despiste being strong, hit him on his nape too. There's no difference.

The point is that nobody is saying that it would inconsistent for Goku to be seriously wounded from an attack from someone as strong as himself while he is distracted by Freeza.

The problem is that Sorbet does it with a random laser ring. It's like kid Goku getting seriously wounded on the head by unseen snipers while fighting other soldiers when he attacked the Red Ribbon army... which actually happened and he didn't get injured.

[FortuneSSJ]

The problem is that Sorbet does it with a random laser ring. It's like kid Goku getting seriously wounded on the head by unseen snipers while fighting other soldiers when he attacked the Red Ribbon army... which actually happened and he didn't get injured.

So if there was no ring and the laser beam came from his finger, we weren't having this debate?!
Tao Pai Pai isn't liking this.

[Marlowe89]

Yeah I'm sorry people care about something about fighting in a fighting anime. There's belittling of others, belittling of opinions, etc. Like even now while I may be someone who calls that stupid, I ain't ruined forever or whatever. To someone else though that means more to them. Dragon Ball means a lot to people in several different ways. When I see comments like that I see "Pfft what losers talking about Vegeta's boost" "What a bunch of babies complaining about Freeza's 4 month's of training" "What a bunch of belly achers for complaining about simple designs". "What a bunch of children who care about strength conversation (Last on does at times feel childish though sometimes). That kind of feeling is given off. I know the frustration of people blabbering on about stuff you feel is just stupid, but whether it is or not, it's usually cause they're just huge fans of the series. Sometimes though things definitely go out of hand and I see why remarks are made upon it. If some people really let it ruin things for them, who really cares? That's just how they feel. Your free to think of it as a ridiculous opinion sure, but understand that what means little to may mean more to someone else. Some people may not give a crap about the va's, and some may love them so much they learn all about their careers even outside of Dragon Ball. That's the beauty of Dragon Ball. There's so much to look at it, so much to enjoy from different angles. Some stuff appeals more to others, and some stuff is pointless to other people to even think about.

Please stop with the constant strawmanning. People are salty because their (uncomfirmed) preconceptions were blown to shit. It's as simple as that, and that has nothing to do with "caring about fighting in a fighting anime". On the contrary, it's just blatant close-mindedness and a complete unwillingness to accept that a popular notion could be flat-out wrong.

[dbzfan7]

Yeah I'm sorry people care about something about fighting in a fighting anime. There's belittling of others, belittling of opinions, etc. Like even now while I may be someone who calls that stupid, I ain't ruined forever or whatever. To someone else though that means more to them. Dragon Ball means a lot to people in several different ways. When I see comments like that I see "Pfft what losers talking about Vegeta's boost" "What a bunch of babies complaining about Freeza's 4 month's of training" "What a bunch of belly achers for complaining about simple designs". "What a bunch of children who care about strength conversation (Last on does at times feel childish though sometimes). That kind of feeling is given off. I know the frustration of people blabbering on about stuff you feel is just stupid, but whether it is or not, it's usually cause they're just huge fans of the series. Sometimes though things definitely go out of hand and I see why remarks are made upon it. If some people really let it ruin things for them, who really cares? That's just how they feel. Your free to think of it as a ridiculous opinion sure, but understand that what means little to may mean more to someone else. Some people may not give a crap about the va's, and some may love them so much they learn all about their careers even outside of Dragon Ball. That's the beauty of Dragon Ball. There's so much to look at it, so much to enjoy from different angles. Some stuff appeals more to others, and some stuff is pointless to other people to even think about.

Please stop with the constant strawmanning. People are salty because their (uncomfirmed) preconceptions were blown to shit. It's as simple as that, and that has nothing to do with "caring about fighting in a fighting anime". On the contrary, it's just blatant close-mindedness and a complete unwillingness to accept that a popular notion could be flat-out wrong.

The past several pages say otherwise. Real difference is some people don't care, and some others do. Some don't see anything as a problem, and some do. But no we hate Dragon Ball and are on a secret mission to get others to hate. How dare we speak out and not just throw our money at everything. We're the evil bad guys plotting to ruin everything for you all with our evil diabolical opinions. What heartless bastards.

[ShadowWolf87]

There's no problem Goku being one shoted by Sorbet since it seems he drops his guard.
Not to mention Sorbet pierces his heart with a laser beam. Doesn't matter if he's freaking Goku, heart is still a vital point to him too (see androic arc for better understanding).

Its not the first time that a weaker guy damages a stronger guy in this circustances:

- Vegeta suppressed his ki to Krillin blow him up, so he could get a power boost from Dende's revival.
- Goku himself was knocked out by Majin Vegeta after droping his guarding.

I can give more examples. This things can happen and they aren't wrong, depending the circumstances.

Vegeta purposely suppressed his power with the objective of being seriously injured and despite this he still tanked an hesitant ki blast from Krillin with his hand and demanded a stronger one because that one was insufficient. So, if anything, this just demonstrates that even when a fighter like Vegeta wants to get hurt, the attack still has to be somewhat significant. Actually, this was filler. My bad. Anyway, Goku got distracted, not purposely lowered his power to a certain level to get seriously injured on purpose.

Majin Vegeta was as strong as Goku and hit him with a powerful blow.

Are we sure about that? If SSJ forms are a multiplier and Goku had already achieved SSJ3, implying even his base was likely higher than Vegeta's, and Goku and Vegeta had the same of said multiplier, then Goku would actually have been stronger than Vegeta and holding himself back to give Vegeta that close fight he wanted and try to end the obsession once and for all.

[ShadowWolf87]

The problem is that Sorbet does it with a random laser ring. It's like kid Goku getting seriously wounded on the head by unseen snipers while fighting other soldiers when he attacked the Red Ribbon army... which actually happened and he didn't get injured.

So if there was no ring and the laser beam came from his finger, we weren't having this debate?!
Tao Pai Pai isn't liking this.

If anything I would think that a weapon would be far more believable than anything else. Gero built Cyborgs with the power to slaughter Freeza, after all. Bulma built a small gun with the power of a massive bomb as a child.

And I don't see how we can dismiss this as "some random laser ring". It's not like these are a common sight in the DB Universe to justify calling it a "random ring". It's the first we've seen. And it likely has drawbacks that would make overuse very difficult or impossible, likely a need to recharge based on the size.

Also don't forget all that energy and force being focused into a single, narrow point allows for a lot more damage to that small area of impact.

[dbzfan7]

We have a thread for this. By all means it can discussed here about Sorbet's ring.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =8&t=29453

[Marlowe89]

Real difference is some people don't care, and some others do. Some don't see anything as a problem, and some do. But no we hate Dragon Ball and are on a secret mission to get others to hate. How dare we speak out and not just throw our money at everything. We're the evil bad guys plotting to ruin everything for you all with our evil diabolical opinions. What heartless bastards.

I'm amused. I point out the strawmanning in your last post and you proceed to respond by throwing around even more strawmen in some half-assed sarcastic tone.

Nobody's disputing that some people have a problem. You either completely ignored my post or you're missing the point, which was that quite a few members are displeased simply because they're wrong.

[dbzfan7]

Real difference is some people don't care, and some others do. Some don't see anything as a problem, and some do. But no we hate Dragon Ball and are on a secret mission to get others to hate. How dare we speak out and not just throw our money at everything. We're the evil bad guys plotting to ruin everything for you all with our evil diabolical opinions. What heartless bastards.

I'm amused. I point out the strawmanning in your last post and you proceed to respond by throwing around even more strawmen in some half-assed sarcastic tone.

Nobody's disputing that some people have a problem. You either completely ignored my post or you're missing the point, which was that quite a few members are displeased simply because they're wrong.

But they really ain't. Most answers are summed as "Dragon Ball is inconsistent already, so shut up." Consistency isn't given a crap about. Not since the 80's, and not now. Doesn't stop people from wanting it. People have posted manga scans, legitimate comparisons, but nah those don't matter. The other answer is "The manga had continuity errors and similar problems so stop complaining about new one's gawd!"

Some people find these problems and others don't. If you don't then good for you. People don't just go out of their way to hate cause they really want to hate on something they like.