"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

Discussion specifically regarding the "Dragon Ball Super" TV series premiering July 2015 in Japan, including individual threads for each episode.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Ajay » Wed Apr 29, 2015 8:02 am

fexus wrote:I know that not everyone are going to be happy or excited that there will be a new anime, but do you need to say that to everybody else and say that they are wrong and should be ashamed for expecting something out of this?
In this fandom, apparently so. I don't know whether it's a select few who just want to appear contrarian in an effort to sound 'informed', or if there's truly a bunch of extremely pessimistic folks out there who won't be happy until they've sucked the last remaining bit of excitement from everyone. Either way, it is extremely annoying and, quite frankly, stupid.

It comes under the arrogant assumption that anyone excited is ignorant of Toei's reputation and previous outings of a similar fashion. It believes big fans will accept anything with 'Toriyama's stamp' on it, despite a majority being quite levelheaded with their criticisms of Revival of 'F'. You only have to look at the response to Dragon Ball Minus to understand that we go by quality not name.

Until more information is released, and until the show actually airs, there is no reason to anything more than cautiously optimistic. There is nothing wrong with being excited for the first Dragon Ball series in 18 years!

In fact, with the information we have, there's more reasons to be excited than anything else. Animation made on the cheap requires an intelligent director to head the project. It's been established that Kimitoshi Chioka is very talented and surprisingly creative with his compositions. We have hints that Shida Naotoshi may be involved, too.

On top of this, we've got confirmation that the original cast is involved, along with hints about new characters in the works. These are all exciting premises with little basis for negativity.

Posting shots from Sailor Moon Crystal is not a valid comparison or reason to be cautious of Super. That show is an Original Net Animation - a web series - it has a significantly lower budget from its lack of a televised broadcast. No broadcast means no sponsors! Better comparisons would be PreCure or World Trigger, but I guess valid comparisons go against the pessimism.

I fully understand that some people haven't been fans of where Toriyama has taken the series, and that's absolutely fine; you have every right to ignore Dragon Ball Super if it doesn't do it for you. But please, please, do everyone a courtesy and let us be excited until we have a legitimate reason not to be. Please don't constantly reply to our posts letting us know why you think it's wrong to be optimistic. That's not in the spirit of this forum, and it's far from the overall tone we should want to give off to visitors.

This post isn't an invitation to start a debate. I won't, and have no interest in engaging in one. I'd just love it if we could keep the tone realistically balanced until we have more than a title to go on. It's been fine so far, but we're starting to see the same users poisoning the thread once again. I don't want that to happen.

I'm actually very curious as to how Whis will fit into things. As shown in Revival of 'F', Whis is exceptionally strong; effortlessly taking on Goku and Vegeta at once. I wonder whether he will take an active involvement in things or simply remain an impartial figure. I guess his involvement would complicate how to deal with an enemy's strength given the differences there. Any thoughts?

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by VyeRo » Wed Apr 29, 2015 8:05 am

Flame Dragon wrote:I can't wait to see if Toei can go EVEN FURTHER BEYOND in terms of bad animation.

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This. looks. horrible. :lol:

I'm late to the party, but whatever!

I am not so sure how to feel about the news, tbh...Toei and Toriyama have even more chances now of screwing it up, and they probably will at some point. I'm trying not to be too pessimistic about this, but I have to keep my expectations low, considering Toei's track record.

I am looking forward to more character development and moments, hopefully they will expand a bit more on that. Also, baby Bra! :D

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Mystic Tien » Wed Apr 29, 2015 8:09 am

AjayLikesGaming wrote: Until more information is released, and until the show actually airs, there is no reason to anything more than cautiously optimistic. There is nothing wrong with being excited for the first Dragon Ball series in 18 years!
I was like that. For the first Sailor Moon series in 16 years.

And later I was the same for the first Saint Seiya series about the original Gold Saints in.. First, at all, I guess.

And heck, how much I was proven to be wrong both of these times. It is good to be optimistic. What is bad - to expect something of DBZ quality or higher from Toei, who couldn't care less about the quality of their ongoing series and puts as little effort as possible, making terrible animation, lame plots and lame characters with even lamer character designs (come on, these God Warriors are awful, don't like them at all =/ )
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Posting shots from Sailor Moon Crystal is not a valid comparison or reason to be cautious of Super. That show is an Original Net Animation - a web series - it has a significantly lower budget from its lack of a televised broadcast. No broadcast means no sponsors! Better comparisons would be PreCure or World Trigger, but I guess valid comparisons go against the pessimism.
It is fully valid to compare them, given as Sailor Moon is as iconic as DBZ and is very popular in a lot of countries. Yet, just look what treatment Toei gives it. And yeah, it was Toei's idea to make it as ONA, not OVA, or simple tv series, so the whole blame goes to them.
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Hellspawn28 wrote:Cool to see Gohan have a kill for once. He hasn't killed someone since Cell (or Broli if you want to count in General).
He almost got Videl killed in Battle of Gods tho.

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by SuperSaiyanQ » Wed Apr 29, 2015 8:24 am

Anyone else still flabbergasted at how quick this happened ?
I mean I've been waiting like 12 years for a new show .
I always thought if something was to be announced, it'd be announced like a year-6 months in advance , or atleast some news would be leaked about it .
BUT WHAT ?
They've announced it basically 2-3 months before the premiere ?! Without any leaks ?!
How the hell did they keep it on the low for this long ?! Really kept it discrete and fair play to them .

On a side note : Dragon Ball Super - refers to SSGSS ?? Interesting :?:

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by kei17 » Wed Apr 29, 2015 8:33 am

DBZAOTA482 wrote:I really hope Hironobu Kageyama returns this time.

STOP DODGING HIM TOEI!!! :x
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by UpFromTheSkies » Wed Apr 29, 2015 8:45 am

Mystic Tien wrote:
fexus wrote:I know that not everyone are going to be happy or excited that there will be a new anime, but do you need to say that to everybody else and say that they are wrong and should be ashamed for expecting something out of this?

If you meant me, then I don't force anyone to dislike it or hate it. What I am doing is warning people. Because I fell on it twice, and both times Toei disappointed me with a god awful animation. And even a story wasn't that good (awful for Crystal's 1 season). It is better to not expect much from a current Toei, or you'll most likely be disappointed.
Flame Dragon wrote:I can't wait to see if Toei can go EVEN FURTHER BEYOND in terms of bad animation.

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I'm not a Sailor Moon fan and know next to nothing about it, but aren't the character designs and story for Crystal based closely on the original manga? If so, you can't really blame TOEI for that. As for animation quality, their TV shows have never really been that high end to begin with, half of the episodes in the original Dragon Ball Z looked like crap, so what did you expect?

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by fexus » Wed Apr 29, 2015 8:51 am

Mystic Tien wrote: It is fully valid to compare them, given as Sailor Moon is as iconic as DBZ and is very popular in a lot of countries. Yet, just look what treatment Toei gives it. And yeah, it was Toei's idea to make it as ONA, not OVA, or simple tv series, so the whole blame goes to them.
You're comparing a web series to a tv series. If you think that's a fair comparison, I just don't know what to say anymore.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Mystic Tien » Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:28 am

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Mystic Tenshinhan wrote: It is fully valid to compare them, given as Sailor Moon is as iconic as DBZ and is very popular in a lot of countries. Yet, just look what treatment Toei gives it. And yeah, it was Toei's idea to make it as ONA, not OVA, or simple tv series, so the whole blame goes to them.
You're comparing a web series to a tv series. If you think that's a fair comparison, I just don't know what to say anymore.
I compare Toei's attitude towards franchises. And if they don't care about Sailor Moon or Saint Seiya (and One Piece as well), I don't see why they should suddenly start caring about Dragon Ball and make great series. Crystal was specifically released in ONA format to spend as little money on it as possible. One Piece is tv series. And it has an awful animation (well, not as bad as Crystal, but still) as well. So I don't see Toei bothering doing good animation for Dragon Ball, because other series by them prove that they don't care.
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Mystic Tenshinhan wrote:
fexus wrote:I know that not everyone are going to be happy or excited that there will be a new anime, but do you need to say that to everybody else and say that they are wrong and should be ashamed for expecting something out of this?

If you meant me, then I don't force anyone to dislike it or hate it. What I am doing is warning people. Because I fell on it twice, and both times Toei disappointed me with a god awful animation. And even a story wasn't that good (awful for Crystal's 1 season). It is better to not expect much from a current Toei, or you'll most likely be disappointed.
Flame Dragon wrote:I can't wait to see if Toei can go EVEN FURTHER BEYOND in terms of bad animation.

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WILL TOEI ANIMATION BE ABLE TO SURPASS THIS? CHECK OUT NEXT TIME ON DRAGON BALL SUPEEEER!
This is an alien! She isn't even a human!

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2 FPS.
I'm not a Sailor Moon fan and know next to nothing about it, but aren't the character designs and story for Crystal based closely on the original manga? If so, you can't really blame TOEI for that. As for animation quality, their TV shows have never really been that high end to begin with, half of the episodes in the original Dragon Ball Z looked like crap, so what did you expect?
I read manga, and I loved it. Toei took everything good from manga and made it bad, or just completely cut it out. Sailor soldiers barely have any personalities, Usagi only cares about her "Mirakulu Romansu" and doesn't give a single damn about her friends dying. The guys who in the manga should be dead... are not dead, because Toei apparently thought that it was cool for them to stay alive. And later did absolutely nothing with them to develop them or sailor soldier's personalities. Hardly a faithful adaptation.

Pacing is bad, as pacing from manga doesn't fit an anime format. These small fillers which are there (Shitenhou being alive etc) are bad. Character designs while being closer to original manga than previous tv series are still different from manga ones and hardly look good in motion. Almost all comical moments and funny faces from manga were removed. And the most important thing: it lacks soul. While manga had plenty of it.

And while DBZ had pretty bad animation at times, it is nothing close to this awfulness which is Sailor Moon Crystal. It contains horrific animation in pretty much every episode, there are barely any fights, and a few which are there are animated mostly badly. Heck. There is a whole blog, dedicated to these animation errors - http://sailormooncrystalfailures.tumblr.com/ There is a stock footage (while all Crystal defenders blamed old 90's Sailor Moon series in it). And all of this in 2015, in one of the most popular and iconic anime franchises of all time. It is just pathetic.

Oh, and it was postponed twice. As it was originally announced in 2012, and was released only in 2014. Not only that, but it is biweekly. And it is still that bad.
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Hellspawn28 wrote:Cool to see Gohan have a kill for once. He hasn't killed someone since Cell (or Broli if you want to count in General).
He almost got Videl killed in Battle of Gods tho.

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Post by Chuquita » Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:33 am

They do care about precure, I can tell that much. Especially this year.
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Post by fexus » Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:35 am

Mystic Tien wrote:
fexus wrote:
Mystic Tenshinhan wrote: It is fully valid to compare them, given as Sailor Moon is as iconic as DBZ and is very popular in a lot of countries. Yet, just look what treatment Toei gives it. And yeah, it was Toei's idea to make it as ONA, not OVA, or simple tv series, so the whole blame goes to them.
You're comparing a web series to a tv series. If you think that's a fair comparison, I just don't know what to say anymore.
I compare Toei's attitude towards franchises. And if they don't care about Sailor Moon or Saint Seiya (and One Piece as well), I don't see why they should suddenly start caring about Dragon Ball and make great series. Crystal was specifically released in ONA format to spend as little money on it as possible. One Piece is tv series. And it has an awful animation (well, not as bad as Crystal, but still) as well. So I don't see Toei bothering doing good animation for Dragon Ball, because other series by them prove that they don't care.
I think the quality of the episodes in One Piece varies. But you are comparing a web series to a tv series. This has already been confirmed to be a tv series. So, making it out like we're getting Crystal quality is just wrong. Telling other people to stop getting excited and to just be ready for disappointment just as bad.
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Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:42 am

As long as there is no cgi and that they put more effort in the fight scenes then I will be satisfied.

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Post by SPRSYJN » Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:43 am

I just found this thread, got to read the really exciting first few pages, skipped to the last page and it was a bummer.
Baggie_Saiyan wrote:As long as there is no cgi and that they put more effort in the fight scenes then I will be satisfied.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Mystic Tien » Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:44 am

fexus wrote:I think the quality of the episodes in One Piece varies. But you are comparing a web series to a tv series. This has already been confirmed to be a tv series. So, making it out like we're getting Crystal quality is just wrong. Telling other people to stop getting excited and to just be ready for disappointment just as bad.
I think that One Piece has bad animation now. And they at least bother with it sometimes. With Saint Seiya and Sailor Moon they don't bother, I don't see them doing a good animation for new Dragon Ball series, regardless from it being in ONA format, or not. Saint Seiya Hades Elysion was in OVA format, which should have had the best budget, yet it had awful animation.

I won't fall on it a third time. I trusted them. But I was wrong. So, no, I won't be excited for a third time in row just to have all my excitement being crushed by series of awful quality once again.
Chuquita wrote:They do care about precure, I can tell that much. Especially this year.
Yes, they do care about Precure. But they do not care about series, which was the reason why Precure was created to begin with. And it is bad.
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Hellspawn28 wrote:Cool to see Gohan have a kill for once. He hasn't killed someone since Cell (or Broli if you want to count in General).
He almost got Videl killed in Battle of Gods tho.

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Post by Noah » Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:00 am

SO...

This movie will be after EoZ or after RoF?


I want to be after EoZ so we can finnaly ignore GT FOR GOOD!
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Post by TheGmGoken » Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:02 am

Noah wrote:SO...

This movie will be after EoZ or after RoF?


I want to be after EoZ so we can finnaly ignore GT FOR GOOD!
That will never happen. Gt is an official product. You can still buy the DVDs. It'll still be talked about.

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Noah wrote:SO...

This movie will be after EoZ or after RoF?


I want to be after EoZ so we can finnaly ignore GT FOR GOOD!
You can ignore it at any time. But you ignoring it doesn't change a fact of its existence. Besides contradictions and inconsistencies don't matter.

What about a series, it is not known, when exactly it will take place. We know only that it is after Buu arc.
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Hellspawn28 wrote:Cool to see Gohan have a kill for once. He hasn't killed someone since Cell (or Broli if you want to count in General).
He almost got Videl killed in Battle of Gods tho.

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Post by Chuquita » Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:06 am

Millage varies with precure from year to year. I like Go!Pri (ごきげんよう!) but HaCha was kinda lackluster and I actually dropped Doki halfway through before coming back to finish it later. Smile was goofy fun, Suite I liked mostly for the designs (and those transformation sequences OMG), loved HeartCatch, started when Fresh aired so never got to see all of that, GoGo was good but not nearly as awesome as Yes, and I've only seen a handful of Splash Star, Max, and Futari Wa so can't judge those three.

OT tho:
The idea that we might actually get stuff like mood lighting, and framing that has creative angle shots has me really excited.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Noah » Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:09 am

TheGmGoken wrote:That will never happen. Gt is an official product. You can still buy the DVDs. It'll still be talked about.
Mystic Tien wrote:You can ignore it at any time. But you ignoring it doesn't change a fact of its existence. Besides contradictions and inconsistencies don't matter.

What about a series, it is not known, when exactly it will take place. We know only that it is after Buu arc.
But now this will be the difference, my friends:

We will have another sequel Z and unlike GT it will have script, supervision and character design by Akira Toriyama, that GT didn't have

So yeah, GT will still exists... But now will be truly banished as "alternate story from another universe" because now this new series DB Super will be the actual canon to the story after Z

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Post by Mystic Tien » Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:11 am

Chuquita wrote:Millage varies with precure from year to year. I like Go!Pri (ごきげんよう!) but HaCha was kinda lackluster and I actually dropped Doki halfway through before coming back to finish it later. Smile was goofy fun, Suite I liked mostly for the designs (and those transformation sequences OMG), loved HeartCatch, started when Fresh aired so never got to see all of that, GoGo was good but not nearly as awesome as Yes, and I've only seen a handful of Splash Star, Max, and Futari Wa so can't judge those three.

OT tho:
The idea that we might actually get stuff like mood lighting, and framing that has creative angle shots has me really excited.
I don't actually know much about Pretty Cure, as I watched only original Futari Wa series and half of Max :D , but I saw some transformations and fights from other parts of franchises, and they look really good, nothing like Sailor Moon Crystal. Even though Pretty Cure has CGI in some endings, it looks good (in my opinion).

Well, let's hope that animation will at least be in Saint Seiya Omega's level. This is the most what I give to them.
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Hellspawn28 wrote:Cool to see Gohan have a kill for once. He hasn't killed someone since Cell (or Broli if you want to count in General).
He almost got Videl killed in Battle of Gods tho.

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by voltlunok » Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:15 am

Noah wrote:SO...

This movie will be after EoZ or after RoF?


I want to be after EoZ so we can finnaly ignore GT FOR GOOD!
It's comments like this that suck the fun out of new dragon ball. We can't just enjoy that a new thing is happening...no we must know if it's being made with the sole motive of finally slaying the vile dragon GT! We must know if Toei is finally going to press the magic 'make GT go away' button, heaven forbid we just enjoy the announcement of a new series, heaven forbid people be excited without having to make snide comments about how something others may enjoy is dead. Heaven forbid just one thing dragon ball be announced without the entire western fandom having to get into this big fight about how this effects or 'kills' GT. If you don't like it, fine, ignore it. Problem solved, but for everyone else, let us enjoy the announcement for what it is, new dragon ball. Thank you that's my rant!
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