Will GT Really Become "Lost" This Time?

sintzu · Post by **sintzu** » Wed Apr 29, 2015 11:37 am

Neon Z wrote:
Also, as a DB fan, Tenshinhan and Roshi beating grunts in RoF seems bigger than anything GT gave them to do.

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It was bigger then anything Gt gave to anyone who wasn't Goku.

PiccoloFan7289 · Post by **PiccoloFan7289** » Wed Apr 29, 2015 12:46 pm

This new series being announced kinda puts GT in a bad position. Just my opinion, but I wish GT was never made, and that the series ended with the party at Bulma's house.

buutenks · Post by **buutenks** » Wed Apr 29, 2015 12:53 pm

Lost,nope people will still remember DBGT.How could they forget ssj4?

I enjoyed GT up to the Shadow dragons saga,which i disliked,idk why but it bored me to tears and lost interest.But the Super 17,Baby and the grand tour across the universe was fun.

Though i guess the shadow saga had its moments,mainly the ssj4 fights.

swimtrunks · Post by **swimtrunks** » Wed Apr 29, 2015 1:09 pm

buutenks wrote:How could they forget ssj4?

I'll never forget Vegeta's magic appearing gloves & blue jeans. SSJ-4 mullets> ftw

Mystic Tien · Post by **Mystic Tien** » Wed Apr 29, 2015 1:37 pm

sintzu wrote:
Neon Z wrote:
Also, as a DB fan, Tenshinhan and Roshi beating grunts in RoF seems bigger than anything GT gave them to do.
It was bigger then anything Gt gave to anyone who wasn't Goku.

Pan defeated Dr.Gero in base. And it is much more impressive than anything what anyone besides Goku and Vegeta did in FnF.

Lord Beerus · Post by **Lord Beerus** » Wed Apr 29, 2015 2:02 pm

Mystic Tien wrote:
sintzu wrote:
Neon Z wrote:
Also, as a DB fan, Tenshinhan and Roshi beating grunts in RoF seems bigger than anything GT gave them to do.
It was bigger then anything Gt gave to anyone who wasn't Goku.

Pan defeated Dr.Gero in base. And it is much more impressive than anything what anyone besides Goku and Vegeta did in FnF.

And yet, according to the power scaling in GT, she was stronger than SSJ Vegetto and was still treated like fodder when Baby, Super 17 and The Shadow Dragons arrived. That speak volumes of how shitty it was to be a part of the supporting cast in GT.

Mystic Tien · Post by **Mystic Tien** » Wed Apr 29, 2015 2:18 pm

Lord Beerus wrote: And yet, according to the power scaling in GT, she was stronger than SSJ Vegetto and was still treated like fodder when Baby, Super 17 and The Shadow Dragons arrived. That speak volumes of how shitty it was to be a part of the supporting cast in GT.

Maybe she was, she punched Ruildo in base as well. It is worth noting, that she is the same as Gohan. She becomes really strong when she is in rage. It is not like she is always that strong.

What about fodder. Well, everyone besides Goku and Vegeta was fodder against Beerus and Frieza. It is just the way franchise eventually went to. It was heading there all the way in Buu arc. So for me it is just a logical continuation of what I already saw in DBZ. No matter if I like it or not.

ABED · Post by **ABED** » Wed Apr 29, 2015 2:24 pm

Even if the series completely dismisses GT, it doesn't matter even if you happen to enjoy the series. GT will still physically (and digitally) exist, so I don't see any reason to be perturbed if Super ends up overwriting GT.

Turtle bits · Post by **Turtle bits** » Wed Apr 29, 2015 2:59 pm

I've never considered it canon, and it hasnt been for some time now, to me GT is what it is, its akin to the movies, which exist, are fun in their own way, and add to the rich lore of the franchise. No different than the movies, games, or spin off mangas, its all apart of the series.
Id compare it to maybe the current starwars, where the expanded universe junk still exists, but theres the real canon also. Or maybe the tenchi muyo animes, the different completely unrelated canons.

Insertclevername · Post by **Insertclevername** » Wed Apr 29, 2015 3:06 pm

Not really since Dragon Ball Super is a midquel, not a sequel like GT. Also the whole side story invention insures that GT will still be preserved in some form in the future.

Lord Beerus · Post by **Lord Beerus** » Wed Apr 29, 2015 3:50 pm

Insertclevername wrote:Not really since Dragon Ball Super is a midquel, not a sequel like GT. Also the whole side story invention insures that GT will still be preserved in some form in the future.

But for all we know DBS could end up taking place after EOZ. Then for those fans who stress over "canon", what will they make of GT?

voltlunok · Post by **voltlunok** » Wed Apr 29, 2015 4:12 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:
Insertclevername wrote:Not really since Dragon Ball Super is a midquel, not a sequel like GT. Also the whole side story invention insures that GT will still be preserved in some form in the future.
But for all we know DBS could end up taking place after EOZ. Then for those fans who stress over "canon", what will they make of GT?

Simple, different timeline. You have Future Trunks timeline, Cell's timeline, the Timeline that goes into BoG and beyond and then the GT timeline. Or you can look at it the way I do. There is the Manga continuity that goes DB > DBZ > BoG > RoF > Super and the anime Continuity that goes DB > DBZ+ the 13 movies > DBGT. Simple as that, everyone wins and stuff is great!

One_Instance · Post by **One_Instance** » Wed Apr 29, 2015 4:24 pm

PiccoloFan7289 wrote:This new series being announced kinda puts GT in a bad position. Just my opinion, but I wish GT was never made, and that the series ended with the party at Bulma's house.

That party was filler, it wouldn't have happened without what had happened after word. But I guess it could've been a good enough ending had it been done differently, I always thought that episode was boring.

MCDaveG · Post by **MCDaveG** » Wed Apr 29, 2015 4:29 pm

I don't know, GT really wasn't that bad. Look on Saint Seiya Omega, that series was already lost halfway during the broadcast, so writers reintroduced most of the old characters. Didn't help.
Omega failed. It was really a bad series. We still get characters from GT in games tough and if lots but not a majority of the fans don't like the series, they at least appreciate the designs.
Omega failed in that too. I think that GT won't be lost and I won't be suprised, if they will bridge the gap to GT with Super Dragon Ball. I don't thinks it's likely giving the last two films, but it won't surprise me.

PiccoloFan7289 · Post by **PiccoloFan7289** » Wed Apr 29, 2015 4:42 pm

One_Instance wrote:
PiccoloFan7289 wrote:This new series being announced kinda puts GT in a bad position. Just my opinion, but I wish GT was never made, and that the series ended with the party at Bulma's house.
That party was filler, it wouldn't have happened without was happened after word. But I guess it could've been a good enough ending had it been done differently, I always thought that episode was boring.

The party, even if filler, was a good way to end Z on a high note. I actually like that episode and think it's a great ending for Z.

SingleFringe&Sparks · Post by **SingleFringe&Sparks** » Wed Apr 29, 2015 5:28 pm

Insertclevername wrote:Not really since Dragon Ball Super is a midquel, not a sequel like GT. Also the whole side story invention insures that GT will still be preserved in some form in the future.

I still dont think the "side story' shelfing was really in any concious consideration for GT's relevance. I think Toriyama just said it to be humble to the fans who may like it even if he doesnt. I think he ignores it from his own vision but doesnt want to influence the marketing of it within the serial universe. Like when he first heard about Evolution. When really. I doubt he cares for GT anymore than he does the pre BoG movies.

sintzu · Post by **sintzu** » Wed Apr 29, 2015 6:59 pm

Mystic Tien wrote:
So for me it is just a logical continuation of what I already saw in DBZ.

A good amount of fans are surprised about it's current direction even though it's been that way from the beginning of Z.

garnetjester · Post by **garnetjester** » Wed Apr 29, 2015 8:39 pm

Lord Beerus wrote: But for all we know DBS could end up taking place after EOZ. Then for those fans who stress over "canon", what will they make of GT?

For us fans who care about canon, DBGT was never part of it anyway because it wasn't created by Toriyama. The only thing that's canon about GT is how everyone looked considering Toriyama designed the characters.

Dyno · Post by **Dyno** » Wed Apr 29, 2015 8:44 pm

garnetjester wrote:For us fans who care about canon, DBGT was never part of it anyway because it wasn't created by Toriyama.

While I do care a little about "canon", Dragon Ball GT was never part of it due to inconsistencies with Tsufuru/Tsufurujins (most likely Toriyama's version of them is not what appeared in that series), with power level (due to these new movies), Cooler's appearance, and some other minor aspects.

You know, Tarble's OVA is not a Toriyama's creation as well and it is canon to the manga/main series/main continuity/Toriyama's work.

andrewtuell1991 · Post by **andrewtuell1991** » Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:21 pm

Mystic Tien wrote:Not exactly. Different timelines. And nothing is tossed anyway.

The problem with that is there's currently no logical time-split to put GT in a separate timeline from the new BOG/FnF/DBS timeline.

To my knowledge, there's only four timelines in the series so far. The 1st Timeline ended with 1st Form Cell killing Future Trunks and hijacking his time machine to go back in time to create Timeline #3. The 4th Timeline ends with the events of Chapters 419-420/Z Episode 194/Kai Episode 98 where Future Trunks easily kills 17, 18, and Cell. Since all members of the Dragon Team except Bulma, and Future Trunks for Timeline 4, are dead, these two can't lead into GT.

The 3rd Timeline is the one seen the Manga/Anime where Future Trunks comes back and kills Mecha Freeza and King Cold and gives Goku the heart medicine and Cell comes back in time one year before Future Trunks. This timeline now follows the new BOG/FnF/DBS line of events.

And then there's the 2nd Timeline of which very little is known about. Logically, there has to be a timeline where only Future Trunks comes back in time and Cell doesn't since every new time-jump creates a new timeline. I guess the Dragon Team either defeated or befriended the Androids and Cell's growth was finish 20 years from then and is probably easily defeated. I guess GT could fit here but not likely since damn near nothing is known about this timeline.

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