Shisami managing to land even one shot at Piccolo is BS

[Zephyr]

When people point these sorts of things out and label them as problematic, it just feels like they're trying to say "if X did not happen in the past, X can not happen in the future". That's far from a logical argument though.

[Rocketman]

I dunno why Freeza thought the Saiyans were such a threat.

He was worried about the Super Saiyan... despite that the strongest Saiyan in history (who only reached that strength due to Dragonballs and Senzu), just baaarely managed to best him. If only Freeza had just flexed his Kegels a few times, no Super Saiyan could ever reach him.

[dbzfan7]

I dunno why Freeza thought the Saiyans were such a threat.

He was worried about the Super Saiyan... despite that the strongest Saiyan in history (who only reached that strength due to Dragonballs and Senzu), just baaarely managed to best him. If only Freeza had just flexed his Kegels a few times, no Super Saiyan could ever reach him.

But he has mooks who can best him in like 4 month's too...

Well he did have a chance after being revived and wasn't so sure he could win by himself without his dad, but eh guess he just didn't feel like doing a few days power work out to secure the win.

[supercat]

When people point these sorts of things out and label them as problematic, it just feels like they're trying to say "if X did not happen in the past, X can not happen in the future". That's far from a logical argument though.

While that can be true on a case by case basis, in this particular case, it is probable that the whole sharply raise power as needed theory (shown when Goku faced off against Jeice and Burter) should be more than likely to be applicable for the whole Piccolo vs Shisami fight primarily because of the gap in power of the fighters involved. The gap between Goku and Jeice and Burter was far lower than Piccolo and a Zarbon tiered foe. Taking all subjective variables into consideration, it is still likely that despite how tired Piccolo may have been he should still have the capability to raise his power instantly to take down a an enemy who is on par with Zarbon.

However, this is all assuming Shisame stayed on par with Zarbon and he didn't grow stronger (which seems unlikely).
I don't know about everyone else, but I would love to know more about what went in in the back end with Frieza's training as well as more of an in-depth explanation of Shisami's ability to rival Piccolo.

[Blackstripe]

I dunno why Freeza thought the Saiyans were such a threat.

He was worried about the Super Saiyan... despite that the strongest Saiyan in history (who only reached that strength due to Dragonballs and Senzu), just baaarely managed to best him. If only Freeza had just flexed his Kegels a few times, no Super Saiyan could ever reach him.

But he has mooks who can best him in like 4 month's too...

Well he did have a chance after being revived and wasn't so sure he could win by himself without his dad, but eh guess he just didn't feel like doing a few days power work out to secure the win.

Well, his body was so busted up by that point that he actually may have been unable to improve his strength through training. He was more machine than...whatever he is, after all.

[dbzfan7]

Well he did have a chance after being revived and wasn't so sure he could win by himself without his dad, but eh guess he just didn't feel like doing a few days power work out to secure the win.

Well, his body was so busted up by that point that he actually may have been unable to improve his strength through training. He was more machine than...whatever he is, after all.

That is a theory, not a fact. He never once said nor mentioned he was limited in any way by his new cyborg set up. If anything it seems to allowed him to use his full power without bulking up. Kinda like how he didn't need to bulk up in FNF.

[Doctor.]

That is a theory, not a fact. He never once said nor mentioned he was limited in any way by his new cyborg set up. If anything it seems to allowed him to use his full power without bulking up. Kinda like how he didn't need to bulk up in FNF.

It's actually implied he can't.

When the others ask if Freeza's power was always that huge, Gohan says he still can increase it much more. And seeing as how he didn't increase his power against Trunks, everything points towards him not being able to. That's why he brought his dad along.

[supercat]

That is a theory, not a fact. He never once said nor mentioned he was limited in any way by his new cyborg set up. If anything it seems to allowed him to use his full power without bulking up. Kinda like how he didn't need to bulk up in FNF.

It's actually implied he can't.

When the others ask if Freeza's power was always that huge, Gohan says he still can increase it much more. And seeing as how he didn't increase his power against Trunks, everything points towards him not being able to. That's why he brought his dad along.

Yes, this is quite debatable. I've always wondered about whether he still retained the ability to go 100% via the method of bulking up. While that doesn't seem quite possible, I believe he may still be able to raise his ki through training and tap into greater reserves of power in the form of ki. I think if the androids can increase their fighting power, Frieza has a shot at it as well.

[dbzfan7]

That is a theory, not a fact. He never once said nor mentioned he was limited in any way by his new cyborg set up. If anything it seems to allowed him to use his full power without bulking up. Kinda like how he didn't need to bulk up in FNF.

It's actually implied he can't.

When the others ask if Freeza's power was always that huge, Gohan says he still can increase it much more. And seeing as how he didn't increase his power against Trunks, everything points towards him not being able to. That's why he brought his dad along.

He believed he could possibly beat Goku by himself. How does he expect to even do that if his power is now weaker than it was last time? Also Freeeza did get stronger.

Chapter: 329 (DBZ 135), P14.1
Cold: “A small planet…Wouldn’t it be better if you just wiped it out in one shot?”
Freeza: “That wouldn’t satisfy me…I want to make [Goku] well acquainted with my powered-up self…”

Chapter: 330 (DBZ 136), P13.3-4
Cold: “The Earthlings don’t matter, but the Super Saiyan alone we absolutely must exterminate, by any means. The one who holds the greatest power in the universe must without a doubt be our clan”
Freeza: “We can definitely defeat him if we go at him together, Papa. And I’ve powered up too, so I think I can probably go alone.”

[Doctor.]

That is a theory, not a fact. He never once said nor mentioned he was limited in any way by his new cyborg set up. If anything it seems to allowed him to use his full power without bulking up. Kinda like how he didn't need to bulk up in FNF.

It's actually implied he can't.

When the others ask if Freeza's power was always that huge, Gohan says he still can increase it much more. And seeing as how he didn't increase his power against Trunks, everything points towards him not being able to. That's why he brought his dad along.

He believed he could possibly beat Goku by himself. How does he expect to even do that if his power is now weaker than it was last time?

He also believed he could kill Goku when his body was cut in half and was given some of Goku's ki.

[dbzfan7]

He also believed he could kill Goku when his body was cut in half and was given some of Goku's ki.

Freeza said he powered up from last time twice.

[supercat]

I don't think he actually believed he can defeat Goku in his current state, it was probably just empty gloating if anything. I think the last shot he took at Goku was simply out of rage and desperation.