"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

Discussion specifically regarding the "Dragon Ball Super" TV series premiering July 2015 in Japan, including individual threads for each episode.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by MCDaveG » Sat May 02, 2015 6:19 am

FortuneSSJ wrote:I like the idea of dub fans not getting their version right away.
So much arrogance and hate for the original japanese version, some people deserve nothing!
There's arrogance and hate on the sub side of things towards the dub too, and often it's just as pointless.

Seriously guys, we're at a point where both the dub and the sub are pretty much equal at long last. Is there really any need for this dub fan bashing at this point other than to try and be 'edgy'?[/quote]

It's not happening here fortunately, but really? I am a fan of the original since childhood, I didn't like the dub and I am simply purist - watching US/English movies in original language etc.
But when I came on message boards to ask about original japanese sound files for Samurai Warriors (because there was lot of anime VA's I know and the dub is horrendous),
I was called weaboo and why I am not watching something in language I understand. I don't see any arrogance on my side or hate.

It's only that some dub fans are angry that their version is not the original and tough can't be used for data retrieval - like wiki or sorts.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Marco Polo » Sat May 02, 2015 7:29 am

Basaku wrote:I'm a bit concerned if the show starts post-EOZ, right from the beginning. While it would make sense looking from the Japanese Kai airing perspective we also have BOG & ROF that don't exactly swiftly lead-in into EOZ episodes, too much has been added and introduced, the characters are in the 'middle' of subplots (like the Whis training). The build-up form the 2 movies needs some small conclusion at least and work with EOZ before we even think about post-EOZ period. I would probably prefer if the 3rd movie released first, or the first 'season' of Super took place between ROF & EOZ to wrap everything up and then move forward.
Even between BOG and ROF there were events that we didn't see and ROF is still easy to understand. I don't see a problem. If there are things that really need explanations then they could just have a character semi-break the fourth wall and tell us what happened in the time skip, like Gohan did at the start of the Buu Saga when he told "us" that Krillin had retired and grew his hair.

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Dbzfan94 » Sat May 02, 2015 9:07 am

What is the point of all these elitist sub fans making such pretentious comments for no reason?

This isn't 1999 anymore guys. FUNi has done an incredible job with Kai and BoG and I'm sure the dub of RF and Super will be really great too.Wanting dub fans just to wait because there's "hate for the Japanese" is ridiculous. There's plenty of hate for the English too. You're just being hypocritical and immature.

Super being dubbed quickly would be amazing for DB fans all around. Don't ruin it for everyone because they "deserve nothing." We're lucky enough that we're even getting a new series, the last thing we need is idiotic comments like that.

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by FortuneSSJ » Sat May 02, 2015 9:54 am

Dbzfan94 wrote:What is the point of all these elitist sub fans making such pretentious comments for no reason?

This isn't 1999 anymore guys. FUNi has done an incredible job with Kai and BoG and I'm sure the dub of RF and Super will be really great too.Wanting dub fans just to wait because there's "hate for the Japanese" is ridiculous. There's plenty of hate for the English too. You're just being hypocritical and immature.
Pretty sure I'm not being hypocritical and immature, since I'm not going around on youtube/facebook/etc saying how much I hate x dub.

Comments on japanese videos saying they don't like Goku's voice/can't stand the japanese version/dragon ball is the ony anime i can't watch sub, I need my dub/ etc.. are just nostalgia blinded immature people that can't bother to watch something in other language , because it isn't the same thing that they watched back then.
Why they even bother to comment in the first place?! Ask them not me.

Its already stupid enough when I want to rewatch a DBZ clip on youtube, and can't count with English dub because its hard to find the clip with Kikuchi soundtrack.
But like a grown man, I just ignore it and keep looking for what I want . Don't click the dislike bar or write a insult.

Another example, Its people that have "everything that's new sucks" syndrome and bash every new stuff we get nowadays, denying that nothing good is happening.

But like I said before, not everyone is on the same boat. Still, waiting is good.
Waiting is a virtue after all.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by TripleRach » Sat May 02, 2015 9:59 am

We can talk about production and distribution methods, but we really don't need a dub vs sub war here.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Bonus Stage » Sat May 02, 2015 2:03 pm

Some sites spread rumors that Super Dragon Ball will have 26 episodes .
That's true?

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by FortuneSSJ » Sat May 02, 2015 2:14 pm

Bonus Stage wrote:Some sites spread rumors that Super Dragon Ball will have 26 episodes
That's true?
Just rumours, nothing is still confirmed.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Hellspawn28 » Sat May 02, 2015 2:16 pm

I can wait for a English dub but I do want to watch the series subbed in Japan while it airs weekly in Japan. It makes me mad that Funimation didn't do any streaming for Kai Buu saga subbed on their main website or Hulu. I will pay for a subscription on Funi's website if they have subs out after the episode airs in Japan.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Marco Polo » Sat May 02, 2015 2:20 pm

Bonus Stage wrote:Some sites spread rumors that Super Dragon Ball will have 26 episodes .
That's true?
Pretty sure it's just conjecture based on the idea that anime series generally have seasons of 13-26 episodes.

Even if it happens to be true, if the first season is successful they will obviously renew the series.

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by dbboxkaifan » Sat May 02, 2015 2:53 pm

Have they confirmed who'll be the composer?

Fingers crossed it's not Sumitomo.

Edit: It's Kikuchi? AWESOM-- Well, better to not get too excited as that might be just a rumour.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by sintzu » Sat May 02, 2015 2:59 pm

Bonus Stage wrote:Some sites spread rumors that Super Dragon Ball will have 26 episodes .
That's true?
The series' quality would be a lot better if it was 26 per year instead of 48.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by JulieYBM » Sat May 02, 2015 3:04 pm

sintzu wrote:
Bonus Stage wrote:Some sites spread rumors that Super Dragon Ball will have 26 episodes .
That's true?
The series' quality would be a lot better if it was 26 per year instead of 48.
That's not necessarily a guarantee. The quality depends on the staff selected. The series could be thirteen episodes long and still look like trash.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Hellspawn28 » Sat May 02, 2015 3:05 pm

I'm fine with three-five seasons at the max. The original DBZ ran for so long since the manga has being written while it was airing and DBZ was one of the most popular animes in the early-mid 90's in Japan at the time. I don't want a 200 episode series.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by JoeCapricorn » Sat May 02, 2015 3:17 pm

I haven't been this excited for something that was upcoming since Skyrim was announced.

While I see some "sub vs dub" debate - I grew up with the dub and prefer watching it that way, but I also enjoy the sub since that was the only way I could watch Dragon Ball GT as a youngster - my dad got a "DVD set" which turned out to be a bunch of CDs with pirated video on it off of eBay (that ticked off my dad but I watched them anyway :3)

There is so much to speculate on what the new series is going to have in store for us. I've been wanting to add to that speculation (registered here on Kanzenshuu for that very reason) for a while.

1. A plot arc that doesn't center around a villain that is really really strong that the characters have to get really really strong in order to beat him/her/it. It could be something like the Black Star Dragon Ball saga, or something entirely different. I'd like to see some mystery and lore flushed out by going back into space. I want to know if there are other Saiyans out there, and if they might even be tucked away in a hidden corner of the Universe on their original home world. Or, a population diverged before they arrived on Planet Plant. Perhaps even learn the origin of how Saiyans gained the ability to go Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan God.

2. On the flipside, if Whis continues to train Goku and Vegeta, it is possible the students exceed their master and both become stronger than Whis. The only reason Beerus hasn't done so is because he more or less sleeps all the time!

3. If #2 happens, we could see a powerful being try to wrestle the position of God of Destruction away from Beerus by killing him. If Whis is bound to attend to any current God of Destruction, he may have to turn villain and Goku and Vegeta (as well as Earth) may become targets as their level of power would be a threat to the new God of Destruction.

4. Dragon Balls will be involved in some way, but I'd like to see something different from collecting them just to make a wish and undo some lasting damage. Maybe their origin might be fleshed out - perhaps there were other races that could make them even before the Nameks, and maybe one of those Eternal Dragons are still out there. Although I love when the series (both Z and GT) went into space, I don't want another Black Star Dragon Ball saga.

5. I see a lot of people speculate on how the other 11 Universes come into play, if at all. What are they like and what sort of powers do their most fearsome warriors possess?

6. Humans and Nameks are being left in the dust. They don't seem to have the myriad of transformations the Saiyans have. Or... do they? Maybe it just hasn't happened yet. If this is the case, a Super Human God or Super Namek God could be possible.

7. This speculation stems from my own Universe, but what if each race had their own God of sorts? Not a living God like Goku and Vegeta either, but an immortal that is higher up than even the Supreme Kais. I don't think this is likely though, it doesn't seem to fit with Dragon Ball lore.

8. Catastrophic power reduction - what if a villain found a way to turn back the progress Goku and Vegeta made in their power levels - not just undoing their Super Saiyan God transformations but even regular Super Saiyans? This is possible in a number of ways.

9. Super Saiyan 4 - if GT is retconned by Dragon Ball Super, would the Super Saiyan 4 transformation and its predecessor Golden Oozaru still appear?

10. GT is looking pretty much as canon as some of the first 13 Dragon Ball Z movies, but if it were to somehow survive and Super being the series that connects the end of Majin Buu, the two new era movies, End of Z with Pan, and the start of GT, there is a considerable amount of stuff that has to change that is unlikely to change. For one, Pilaf and gang have to get old again some how. They could make an illfated wish to Shenron for that. Goku and Vegeta would need to be powered down to their pre-Battle of Gods level. Some bad guy could make an illfated wish to Shenron for that. Actually, almost anything that would have to be changed to make GT canon again would require a wish from Shenron so I doubt such a scenario would be forced like that.

11. GT is a side story, an ex-canon continuation of Dragon Ball Z. Assuming it is gone, there is another thing I'd like to see changed just a bit. This was also hinted at with Battle of Gods. That being - Goku doesn't freaking disappear from the rest of his friends for years on end. I also want the whole moving out away from his family for even more years to train some kid named Uub to be retconned. There is no excuse why he couldn't just instant transmission to Chi-Chi's house and continue to see his kids and granddaughter grow up. Goku can be absent minded, but he is no deadbeat! Goku still will train Uub - and I think we'll see him in Dragon Ball Super. But he also seemed to have taken on the master/student role with Pan.

12. Earth doesn't blow up again.

13. A plot arc that doesn't involve the impending destruction of Earth or the Universe. That does not mean it would be devoid of action - what if Bulma were kidnapped for a space pirate's mad scientist to experiment on? Vegeta would be miffed at that. I may be repeating myself, but I'd love to see more adventure aspects similar to the original Dragon Ball and somewhat akin to the Black Star Dragon Ball saga.

14. Finally, Pan needs to go Super Saiyan somehow. I think the coolest way for this to happen is if she is born already in the Super Saiyan form. She would have to learn how to power down instead of power up at a young age to control her abilities. When she gets older, she could even become the most powerful character in the series.

15. Maybe not for #14 - while it is different from the Pan-centric story of GT, having Super be Pan-centric as well off the bat would be kind of odd. Or cool. I don't know.

16. Ultimately, this July is going to be so exciting for everyone with an unconditional love of Dragon Ball. That is a sure fire guarantee!

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Post by SuperSaiyanHedgehog » Sat May 02, 2015 3:19 pm

I agree with Joe Capricorn. Hopefully, the story will be a bit more fleshed out.
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Post by Valerius Dover » Sat May 02, 2015 3:24 pm

dbboxkaifan wrote:Have they confirmed who'll be the composer?

Fingers crossed it's not Sumitomo.

Edit: It's Kikuchi? AWESOM-- Well, better to not get too excited as that might be just a rumour.
Ok, please do not get your hopes up. This is from a foreign Wikipedia entry. Those aren't known for being the most accurate. Toei hasn't hired Kikuchi for new DB work since Wrath of the Dragon 20 years ago. Toei is most likely to go with Sumitomo, since they've used him for everything lately.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by dbboxkaifan » Sat May 02, 2015 3:38 pm

Valerius Dover wrote:Ok, please do not get your hopes up. This is from a foreign Wikipedia entry. Those aren't known for being the most accurate. Toei hasn't hired Kikuchi for new DB work since Wrath of the Dragon 20 years ago. Toei is most likely to go with Sumitomo, since they've used him for everything lately.
Sumitomo admittedly wasn't that bad but Nagasaki as the Audio Director of Kai 2.0 was utter garbage with those poorly placed BGMs. For the love of god don't hire Nagasaki for that position, Toei. :(

Btw, I agree this should be 3-5 seasons tops or 7 at most as it's proven that shows that go on for far too long ultimately end up being pretty terrible (or revived ones, i.e, AD Season 4).
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Post by Valerius Dover » Sat May 02, 2015 3:41 pm

^How long would a Season be in this case?
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by dbboxkaifan » Sat May 02, 2015 3:49 pm

Valerius Dover wrote:^How long would a Season be in this case?
Was thinking like 21-24 episodes per season like US shows are, anything beyond that just feels too much.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Neon Z » Sat May 02, 2015 9:03 pm

Dragonball Super will be airing in Dragonball Kai's and Toriko's timeslot. Considering that, I don't think it's going to be smaller than 50 episodes. We aren't talking about a timeslot taken by 13-26 episode shows, but series that are intended for long or even indefinite runs.

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