Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Dyno]

About Son Gohan and Super Saiyan 2.

Someone else would say Dokkan Battle did some justice to him?

Spoiler:

[Basaku]

Yeah, the actual line is that Bulma ordered Gohan not to tell Goten and Trunks. Sorry for the confusion. The script features a note from Toriyama saying they didn't tell Mister Satan what was up either, since they figured he wouldn't be any help.

So uh... did Toriyama just compare Trunks & Goten's usefulness to Mr. Satan? I mean it's obvious everyone's getting sidelined for godly Goku&Vegeta bonanza but this is going a tad far

[dbzfan7]

Tagoma is the top-lieutenant, meaning that he is stronger than Shisami

The script refers to Shisami as the strongest in Freeza's army. For that matter, it only ever really refers to Tagoma as Sorbet's "bodyguard".

I didn't really see a mention of Shisami anywhere in the script. All I saw was Tagoma being compared as a warrior on par with Zarbon and Dodoria. Was Shisami a tidbit or compared to anyone in the story ?

[Herms]

I didn't really see a mention of Shisami anywhere in the script. All I saw was Tagoma being compared as a warrior on par with Zarbon and Dodoria. Was Shisami a tidbit or compared to anyone in the story ?

In the script he's not mentioned until he fights Piccolo in the big battle, unlike the actual film where he's there with Tagoma from the start. This is the extent of his mention:

Spoiler:

Piccolo is having a hard time against Shisami, the best warrior in Freeza’s army.

Sorbet: “I-I can’t believe it!...These guys are…!”
Freeza: “There’s nothing surprising about it. If he felt like it, Son Goku’s son over there could finish them all in an instant. But he’s trying not to kill anyone. He’s soft, just like his father. Why, Son Goku wouldn’t even kill a scoundrel like me. How truly noble of him………..and how absolutely revolting!”

Before long Earth’s army has defeated all of the soldiers save for one. (They pretty much don’t kill any of them.) Piccolo continues to battle Shisami, but Gohan swaps in for him.

Gohan: “Piccolo, please leave this to me!”

Gohan becomes Super Saiyan and instantly defeats Shisami.

Sorbet: “I'm-Impossible…Even Shisami’s no match…”

[dbzfan7]

I didn't really see a mention of Shisami anywhere in the script. All I saw was Tagoma being compared as a warrior on par with Zarbon and Dodoria. Was Shisami a tidbit or compared to anyone in the story ?

In the script he's not mentioned until he fights Piccolo in the big battle, unlike the actual film where he's there with Tagoma from the start. This is the extent of his mention:

Spoiler:

Piccolo is having a hard time against Shisami, the best warrior in Freeza’s army.

Sorbet: “I-I can’t believe it!...These guys are…!”
Freeza: “There’s nothing surprising about it. If he felt like it, Son Goku’s son over there could finish them all in an instant. But he’s trying not to kill anyone. He’s soft, just like his father. Why, Son Goku wouldn’t even kill a scoundrel like me. How truly noble of him………..and how absolutely revolting!”

Before long Earth’s army has defeated all of the soldiers save for one. (They pretty much don’t kill any of them.) Piccolo continues to battle Shisami, but Gohan swaps in for him.

Gohan: “Piccolo, please leave this to me!”

Gohan becomes Super Saiyan and instantly defeats Shisami.

Sorbet: “I'm-Impossible…Even Shisami’s no match…”

Yeah that was all it said. Does the movie have Tagoma and Shisami mentioned together like before...or is it just Tagoma?

[Herms]

It's worth noting that Volume 'F' does have a foreword from Toriyama that talks about how he, as the original creator, has the freedom to avoid worrying about consistencies and changing things from the past.

Here it is, for reference:

Spoiler:

It’s really embarrassing to have this called a “screenplay”. It’d probably be more accurate to say it’s just a memo. It’s simply something I idly dashed off for the staff, just to help explain the flow of the story and the dialogue! Never in a million years did I think it would get published. If any of you are trying to become scriptwriters, please don’t use this as an example!!

I guess you could say that some things are difficult for anyone but the original author to write, because only the original author can freely mess around with what’s already been established. A scriptwriter would get tied up trying not to screw with the original story, so in that respect they’d probably have a harder time messing around with things.

Then there’s the dialogue. The original author knows each character’s personality and backstory, so they can naturally think up dialogue that suits them.

So, now I know that the 1000 army is all the soldiers Freeza have now.

Yeah, the script even mentions that they've only got second-rate guys left, and apparently they had to hire "mercenaries" to fill out their ranks (maybe they were OCD about getting exactly 1,000 warriors?):

Spoiler:

An astounding battle begins! (This scene is a major set piece. Of course, I just have to write out the words, so it’s pretty easy on my end. Sorry (^^). It’ll probably be rough on all you animators, but please do your best.)

Despite being called “Freeza Army”, by now it’s been reduced to merely a hodge-podge of second-rate warriors. Strength-wise Earth’s army overwhelmingly has the upper hand, and the enemy force’s numbers steadily drop. However, there are still some strong enemies. The mercenaries are particularly troublesome. Gohan is strongest. And Piccolo’s strong too. Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Kame-sennin, and even Jaco all play a big role.

This is also Toriyama's famously brief description of the battle, the one that the producer (?) joked about on that TV special from a while back.

[TheGmGoken]

Yeah, the actual line is that Bulma ordered Gohan not to tell Goten and Trunks. Sorry for the confusion. The script features a note from Toriyama saying they didn't tell Mister Satan what was up either, since they figured he wouldn't be any help.

So uh... did Toriyama just compare Trunks & Goten's usefulness to Mr. Satan? I mean it's obvious everyone's getting sidelined for godly Goku&Vegeta bonanza but this is going a tad far

Hard being a Goten or Trunks fan these days

[Chuquita]

Read the summary, can set how this is a lot of imagery-based stuff.
Actually really entertained by the bit about Beerus and his new love for cheese. X3

[ZombieVito]

I wonder how strong are those mercenaries. If I remember correctly Krillin has a few scratches in some scenes.

[Noah]

Goku in the manga is much more selfish and isn't concerned about others as much.

Taking the Kaioken x20 scene for example; in the anime, Goku has a few nightmares of how Freeza killed everyone and then he goes on a big speech of how he's gonna protect them all and whatever. In the manga, he just says he's gonna go all-out and hopes Freeza's not bluffing.

Think this is also valid to mention: Goku might not have a sense of family members like Gohan and Chi-Chi except as one of his companions.

This is also Saiyans' heritage. To Kakarot, Chi-Chi, Son Gohan and Son Goten are nothing more than companions.

I think this is kinda sad, I know is not like Goku is a Superman who cares about the whole world, I know fighting and battling stronger enemies very important to him, but it's not like he's always selfish, I mean... He wasn't a good father to Gohan but he cared about him, I don't know if was filler but how about that scene when he gives Gohan a hug before the fight against Super Boo? When he meet Goten? Maybe only for Chichi that I could say Goku care less, but I remember a scene before he going to teleport Cell to King Kai Planet that he said to Gohan say to his mother sorry that he always did things the way he wanted, don't know if it's a filler scene too, though

[Lord Beerus]

I don't know if was filler but how about that scene when he gives Gohan a hug before the fight against Super Boo?

I remember a scene before he going to teleport Cell to King Kai Planet that he said to Gohan say to his mother sorry that he always did things the way he wanted, don't know if it's a filler scene too, though

Both of those scenes happened in the manga. They weren't filler.

[Noah]

Yeah, the actual line is that Bulma ordered Gohan not to tell Goten and Trunks. Sorry for the confusion. The script features a note from Toriyama saying they didn't tell Mister Satan what was up either, since they figured he wouldn't be any help.

This is nothing but bad writing... I mean what the f*ck? They could actually sense that Freeza got a huge power boost, that's why they didn't call Goten and Trunks to the party? Really... What the f*ck... Is not like they couldn't sense Freeza huge Kai and go to the battlefield immediately to see what's going on... What a lame excuse to toss them aside.

Both of those scenes happened in the manga. They weren't filler.

Oh. That's makes me feel better, see...? It's not like Goku only cares about fighting stronger foes

[ShadowWolf87]

Yeah, the actual line is that Bulma ordered Gohan not to tell Goten and Trunks. Sorry for the confusion. The script features a note from Toriyama saying they didn't tell Mister Satan what was up either, since they figured he wouldn't be any help.

This is nothing but bad writing... I mean what the f*ck? They could actually sense that Freeza got a huge power boost, that's why they didn't call Goten and Trunks to the party? Really... What the f*ck... Is not like they couldn't sense Freeza huge Kai and go to the battlefield immediately to see what's going on... What a lame excuse to toss them aside.

That's... not bad writing. That's two characters being left out for their own sakes. The fact that Freeza is as strong as he is now, coupled with those boys being as reckless as they are and Freeza being as cruel and calculating as he is.... they'd be dead.

Wanting them to stay behind is perfectly reasonable, tbh.

[ShadowWolf87]

Yeah, the actual line is that Bulma ordered Gohan not to tell Goten and Trunks. Sorry for the confusion. The script features a note from Toriyama saying they didn't tell Mister Satan what was up either, since they figured he wouldn't be any help.

So uh... did Toriyama just compare Trunks & Goten's usefulness to Mr. Satan? I mean it's obvious everyone's getting sidelined for godly Goku&Vegeta bonanza but this is going a tad far

No. They opted not to tell Mr. Satan because he couldn't be of any help. They opted not to tell Trunks and Goten because they're reckless kids who would likely do something stupid against a far more powerful and very calculating enemy and quite possibly get themselves killed.

One is a matter of usefulness and ability, the other is a matter of behavior and maturity.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Both of those scenes happened in the manga. They weren't filler.

Oh. That's makes me feel better, see...? It's not like Goku only cares about fighting stronger foes

The hug scene is indeed in the manga, but Goku doesn't hug Gohan in the manga version. Gohan only hugs him. It's the anime that does the mutual hug thing.

[Noah]

That's... not bad writing. That's two characters being left out for their own sakes. The fact that Freeza is as strong as he is now, coupled with those boys being as reckless as they are and Freeza being as cruel and calculating as he is.... they'd be dead.

Wanting them to stay behind is perfectly reasonable, tbh.

Yes, but when did both Goten and Trunks like to obey the "rules"? I mean, they could just don't give a f*ck for who the hell Freeza is and go to the battlefield mess the things up like they usually do.

I don't like the idea that Toriyama want us to think that they're in home like polite nice boys that "they always were" when they could have some "fun" by meeting Freeza. I could swallow Boo and Satan absence in the movie (even though I think that a little interaction between Freeza and Boo would be interesting) and Yamcha traded by Roshi even if still makes no sense to me.

Both of those scenes happened in the manga. They weren't filler.

Oh. That's makes me feel better, see...? It's not like Goku only cares about fighting stronger foes

The hug scene is indeed in the manga, but Goku doesn't hug Gohan in the manga version. Gohan only hugs him. It's the anime that does the mutual hug thing.

Oh... Man, why can't you hug and show some affection to your son, Goku?

[ShadowWolf87]

That's... not bad writing. That's two characters being left out for their own sakes. The fact that Freeza is as strong as he is now, coupled with those boys being as reckless as they are and Freeza being as cruel and calculating as he is.... they'd be dead.

Wanting them to stay behind is perfectly reasonable, tbh.

Yes, but when did both Goten and Trunks like to obey the "rules"? I mean, they could just don't give a f*ck for who the hell Freeza is and go to the battlefield mess the things up like they usually do.

I don't like the idea that Toriyama want us to think that they're in home like polite nice boys that "they always were" when they could have some "fun" by meeting Freeza. I could swallow Boo and Satan absence in the movie (even though I think that a little interaction between Freeza and Boo would be interesting) and Yamcha traded by Roshi even if still makes no sense to me.

So you want them to show up and get one-shot by Freeza?

[Faustus]

The hug scene is indeed in the manga, but Goku doesn't hug Gohan in the manga version. Gohan only hugs him. It's the anime that does the mutual hug thing.

Huh? Isn't it the inverse?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Ah, yeah it is. I knew one of them did it and the other didn't, but it's been so long since I've bothered with which was was what I just assumed it was the manga one showing less emotion. Whoops.

[JahSly90]

The movie sounds much better with the detailed review. The only thing that bothers me is the whole goten and trunks not noticing the intense battle. This is only if freeza didn't train to the point where his ki couldn't be sensed and he reached god level type power. Goten and trunks can't sense godly ki so they wouldn't be able to sense goku and vegeta if they were sleeping or not. So hopefully freeza gets godly ki by training which would make sense because no one in the universe sensed when freeza first achieved the form nor was it felt through dimensions similar to SSJ3 goku's power. Now when goku says he couldn't sense whis and beerus energy, that meant that they were too far away for goku to sense them not that he literally can't sense their ki at all. Goku also couldn't sense the Z fighters energy either while he was at beerus place. So unless freeza was far far away, then that can be another reason why freeza's power was not felt.