Episode #0053 (26 November 2006)

[Brakus]

I just want to say I've fallen in love with Movie 3.

Tullece has quickly become my favorite movie villian.

I liked Movie 3, even though I had to fiddle with the angle and language settings to see the "proper" open to the movie. At least for the "wrong" open, they used the correct TV open at the time.

I did like Chris Patton's Tullece, and as much as I love Chris Patton, even he admitted at Anime USA last week that it was a fun little job to do and a nice $500 check for him to do all the screams and such. However, the Japanese counterpart is quite appealing to my ears as well. Woot.

[desirecampbell]

I'm not sure why some people don't like the English Dubs. I personally love all the VA's for the current english dubs. Not to say that I dont like the Japanese original but I am a fan of both.

A lot of people just don't like the voices, period. I'm not too picky myself, but there's always one or tw voices that just drive me up the friggin' wall. And a lot of the voices are just so... off. For instance, why does every villain have to have either a rough, gravelly voice or some kind of accent? Why does King Kai sound like a fish?
Beyond that, there's the line delivery, aka 'acting'. There's not a lot of good acting in the DBZ dub. Everyone has their moments, some are better than others, but overall it's just so dry, and flat.
Further, the script. Better than it was, still not as good as it could be. Not to say I don't like some of the changes, in fact, I love that speech Goku gives Vegeta about the Saiyan line dying and fighting for Bulma and Trunks. It's a bit out of character for Goku, but it's still awesome.

Not to say that dubs in general have all these problems - or even that these voice actors are bad. It just seems to be a DBZ problem. *shrug* Most dubs are pretty good. For some reason they always seem 'loud'.

That said, DBZ has pretty much ruined English dubs for me. I can't trust them. I try, but I keep thinking I'm missing something. I'm just glad my trust in subtitles hasn't been destroyed too. From my meager Japanese knowledge and the testimonials I've read here (as well as conversation directly with the man), I've become quite impressed with Daimao's translations. And while I worry that other companies might not be quite up to the same standard, at least I don't have to worry about Anime Labs

[Brakus]

A lot of people just don't like the voices, period. I'm not too picky myself, but there's always one or tw voices that just drive me up the friggin' wall. And a lot of the voices are just so... off. For instance, why does every villain have to have either a rough, gravelly voice or some kind of accent? Why does King Kai sound like a fish?
Beyond that, there's the line delivery, aka 'acting'. There's not a lot of good acting in the DBZ dub. Everyone has their moments, some are better than others, but overall it's just so dry, and flat.
Further, the script. Better than it was, still not as good as it could be. Not to say I don't like some of the changes, in fact, I love that speech Goku gives Vegeta about the Saiyan line dying and fighting for Bulma and Trunks. It's a bit out of character for Goku, but it's still awesome.

As much as I'm appreciating DBZ more and more with each podcast, I have to put it in perspective and remember that at the heart of it all, DBZ is still a children's show. I don't expect the "acting" to be exactly on the same par with Fullmetal Alchemist or Ghost in the Shell:Stand Alone Complex. The voices don't bother me much, and in many cases, I feel the voices the US actors gave the characters were very appropriate for them.

Not to say that dubs in general have all these problems - or even that these voice actors are bad. It just seems to be a DBZ problem. *shrug* Most dubs are pretty good. For some reason they always seem 'loud'.

That said, DBZ has pretty much ruined English dubs for me. I can't trust them.

English dubs these days have improved by leaps and bounds from their counterparts from, say, 7-10 years ago. There have been some good, solid dubs from other FUNimation properties (Desert Punk was mentioned in this week's Podcast, and I'm happy that Mike & Meri loved that dub -- and IMO it was a GREAT show even if it wasn't an A- or B-list Gonzo show, it reminded me of Lupin III -- and of course there's the superb Fullmetal Alchemist dub). Of course, you can't really appreciate the Japanese dub if you're not a native speaker of the language to begin with; some say that the subtitles is just a kind of "running commentary" of what the characters are saying and what's happening on the screen.

Going back on topic, where in Movie 3 did Mike extract the Japanese Tullece sample from? I want to do a bit more spot-checking of the Japanese track myself.

[VegettoEX]

Going back on topic, where in Movie 3 did Mike extract the Japanese Tullece sample from? I want to do a bit more spot-checking of the Japanese track myself.

It's immediately before Piccolo shows up. Tullece has finally shown up outside of the spaceship, and all the little, individual fights with the henchmen have finished.

Well, it's not that bad as long as you dont mention any names. I agree that naming people is crossing the line but as long as they just talk about it without mentioning who did the things i dont see anything wrong with it.

Thus our not naming any names . And honestly, half of it you could have seen for yourself if you happened to see their posts on the forum... it's not like THAT part was a big secret.

The other part of it is that I honestly believe fans *need* to hear stories like this so they can take a step back and go, "Uhh... am I like that? Hrmm..."

[Kirbopher]

Fandom Theater amuses me, definitely wanna hear some other stories in that section. I'm sure you guys have plenty from the past.

The little bit about the difference between "doing voices" and "acting" was actually very well said. I'll definitely keep that in mind for future reference.

I agree with all of what Brakus has said as well, aside from the thing about not being able to appreciate the Japanese (version, not dub) unless you speak the language. Not necassarily, as you can still tell if you're familiar with anime in general the difference between good acting and bad acting through the Japanese language anyhow (I barely understand the language aside from a few phrases and words, and I can tell). Obviously there are SOME things that you can miss if you can't fully understand the language, like I didn't know ANYTHING about the different dialects until the Podcast episode about the subject itself.

I guess I tend to give a certain amount of leeway to the English DBZ cast, because of both sort of 'growing up' with them, if I have the right to say that, and the fact that at this point I DO know that all of them are good actors despite their faults in this specific series (at this point, DBZ prettymuch IS like the blacksheep of FUNimation, despite it being their first property). People tend to not give them (or any other dub casts in many situations) a chance simply due to lack of giving a shit :/ I know that sounds blunt, but that's kinda really how it works in most cases, especially with people in the same type of 'demograph' as the kid mentioned in the Fandom Theater. I may not be as old-school of a fan as others, but I've been around enough corners and've figured enough things out on my own to see how things work at this point.

[DaftBrian]

Ok, I dont know why they did this, but in movie 3 when Piccolos beam cannon fails, in the edited version he says "That was hot and spicy" and in the uncut he says "you almost burnt my finger nails". Now, these lines are both in english. Did they record the movie 2 different times with alternate lines? I dont know. Does anyone know the answer to this.

[djkalteraphine]

Ok, I dont know why they did this, but in movie 3 when Piccolos beam cannon fails, in the edited version he says "That was hot and spicy" and in the uncut he says "you almost burnt my finger nails". Now, these lines are both in english. Did they record the movie 2 different times with alternate lines? I dont know. Does anyone know the answer to this.

Yessir. Once for the original TV version, then they did it again for the Uncut Dub release that Pioneer put out. The second dub was a slightly more faithful translation.

[DaftBrian]

thanks

[JulieYBM]

First off, I love the FUNi cast. They are my Gôkū, my Vegeta, my Piccolo etc. I have much respect for them.

Mr. Mike, the Dead Zone UUE DVD has a commentary with English Garlic and the movie's director, I suggest you listen to it. You might get a better insight into the English cast.

Oh well...

By the way, Eric Vale (English Adult Trunks) wrote these movies, I think.

[Kirbopher]

I think Eric directed the Janemba movie. They bounce around directors for the show a LOT apparantly, despite Chris doing a good majority of the work.

[dakstarlander]

Does anyone think that Funimation will ever release all of the movies in a bundle? I think that's very probable. I can see how they might shrink wrap Broly's Triple Threat and First Strike together with any future releases. I think that there was another box set released recently too...but I have long since forgotten about it. However, it would be nice if they could do something with the quality of the dragon box...although I think everybody holds out hope on that. I think that we all are going to have to buy another version of the movies to get this new digital version (or whatever) of the movies or series. I guess that I am weak willed since I will probably be getting my fourth copy of the first movies.

Oh and one other thing, I heard that the kamehameha attack in the Wii version of Sparking Neo...was performed by pushing backward then forward...kind of like what you see in the show. I thought that was kind of cool...and I can only imagine countless people acting out their favorite scenes. I guess that's what the Wii is for anyways...besides being a lot of fun!

[ssjBardock]

Does anyone think that Funimation will ever release all of the movies in a bundle? I think that's very probable. I can see how they might shrink wrap Broly's Triple Threat and First Strike together with any future releases. I think that there was another box set released recently too...but I have long since forgotten about it. However, it would be nice if they could do something with the quality of the dragon box...although I think everybody holds out hope on that. I think that we all are going to have to buy another version of the movies to get this new digital version (or whatever) of the movies or series. I guess that I am weak willed since I will probably be getting my fourth copy of the first movies.

Oh and one other thing, I heard that the kamehameha attack in the Wii version of Sparking Neo...was performed by pushing backward then forward...kind of like what you see in the show. I thought that was kind of cool...and I can only imagine countless people acting out their favorite scenes. I guess that's what the Wii is for anyways...besides being a lot of fun!

1. They won't put all these movies together in one box...they wanna make money! If they like you sorta mentioned, the "Dragon Box" !
Funi my do this also at some point but probably won't be as good, have the same quilaty, or extras such as scouters and Japanese trailers.

2. Yes the Wii will be having different controls like the Kamahamaha, I have scan here with Goku doing the...don't hurt me Vegetto Ex..."Super Dragon Fist", "Dragon Fire"? Or some thing here....


To the Podcast it self
I like the lists and ABCs but almost week after week everyone is so negative about the small things on Funi and there dub: "oh its chopped, this unicorns me"
"Oh Sean's voice just isn't good enough..." you get my point I hope.

I understand if the dub gets the word/name wrong I totally agree with that disappoint meant in the dub. But more positive in the podcast but other wise the podcast is perfect in every way and I listen to an episode at least once a day! Good work

I understand if they get

[Brakus]

I honestly believe fans *need* to hear stories like this so they can take a step back and go, "Uhh... am I like that? Hrmm..."

And you are doing quite a public service by doing so. I've dealt with too many people like that on a completely different fandom (that has nothing to do with anime for that matter!), and the know-it-alls in that particular fandom don't have the maturity and true knowledge that you do.

I'm not ashamed to be otaku, but honestly we need more stories from VegettoEX and his followers so that we don't become "stereotypical" otaku - you know, the kind that whines about everything, wants everything for free, and never considers other people's feelings. (Oh, and doesn't shower for days.)

[Milton]

Jesus, that Hiroki Takahashi story was AMAZING! Seriously, how dumb is this person? As if the person being Japanese would have any leverage in your decision.

[tlsmith1963]

Vegetto, you get those annoying people like in your "story" all over the place. I'm a big Babylon 5 fan, & in the show's heyday there were some annoying people in the online community for B5. I first got online when I started getting into B5, & I just couldn't believe some of those people! So what you went through is actually pretty normal for the internet, unfortunately.

[DaemonCorps]

To add on to the people in capsules discussion, the freezing chambers that Kuririn, Chsuzu, Ten, and Roshi were kept in were shrunken back to Capsule size. In one filler scene, Oolong thought it was best to put Roshi in with Bulma's underwear while they were waiting for them to be wished back .

[Casual Matt]

Oh, I found the shot of Tullece used for the cover art.



It lasts less than a second, but it's when he shoots down a blast of energy at Piccolo, Goku, and Ozaru Gohan causing Goku and Gohan to tumble down into a ravine.

[future_trunks]

Sweet podcast guys, some fans you know who do they think they are. BTW whens MY music coming in

Anyways great podcast really kept me entertained although that isn't exactly the best complement but treat it like one.

[Mystic Jack]

Great podcast dudes and dudette (come on I had to go there) I liked you giving some light on Yajirobe, I really don't see why not many people like him very much, he's a cool character!

That story on that Hiroki Takahashi impersonator was freaking hilarious, something tells me most of the people here aren't that stupid. *Looks around nervously*

[Phred]

About the people in the capsules, didn't they put the capsule containing the cryogenic chamber containing Kuririn inside a panties drawer? I remember something like that...
Though I guess, dead people don't count as people inside capsules...? Maybe?
Or was that filler...