Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I highly doubt TOEI would put the effort they did into "F" if it was intended to be a filler a movie.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I highly doubt TOEI would put the effort they did into "F" if it was intended to be a filler a movie.

I'm not saying filler in the sense non-canon. I'm saying filler in the sense that it's not a that important part of the story, because it really isn't as important as the events of the manga or BoG. It's mostly fan-service.

[GoldLiger]

I highly doubt TOEI would put the effort they did into "F" if it was intended to be a filler a movie.

I'm not saying filler in the sense non-canon. I'm saying filler in the sense that it's not a that important part of the story, because it really isn't as important as the events of the manga or BoG. It's mostly fan-service.

With DBS being announced soon after FnF release then I can say it really does make it a filler type of movie.

[FortuneSSJ]

I highly doubt TOEI would put the effort they did into "F" if it was intended to be a filler a movie.

I dooubt it was to do with filler or not. They want money, so they can't make the movie look bad.
Dragon Ball is a money maker, so they always end up having profit, be it on Japan or worldwide.

Last One Piece movies seem to get higher budget and they are filler too.

He's not talking about the trio in this movie.

Shenlong granted one wish from BoG, plus these two in this movie makes the three he can normally grant.

But prior to BoG, the Pilaf gang used one wish off-screen to make them young, they should still have two remaining and they (apparently) didn't wish anything. So that's why he's saying it's a plot hole. I don't think it is, because knowing how dumb the trio is, they could have just told Shenlong to buzz off. And Dende can modify the number of wishes at will, as well.

Well, everything that happens off screen if for us to guess about. The wish that made them younger, could be their third wish.
ROF was the first time they didn't screw up and end up happy.

[Ajay]

Okay, after wondering what on earth was going on with the consistency in this film, I now (hopefully) have a definitive answer to calm the storms.

Looking at Volume F, I was curious to see that the line about Bulma having never seen Freeza before was omitted, instead having that line from Freeza talking about seeing Bulma on Namek.

I couldn't imagine how on earth someone could let two contradictory statements remain within the same film. Bulma saying she'd never seen Freeza, only to have him say he remembers her?! That would be ridiculously careless.

Fortunately, my Japanese buddy was seeing the film again yesterday, so I asked him to note what exactly Freeza says. Here's his translation of the conversation:

Bulma: "God, you're persistent, how did you even come back?"
Jaco: "Idiot! You could have found a better way to phrase that!
Freeza: "Oh? Seeing as you know who I am, were you on Namek, too? If so, where is your friend Son Goku?"
"おや？もしかして私の事を知っている所を見るとあなたもナメック星に入らしていたのですか？お友達の孫悟さんは何処でしょうか？"
Bulma: "Wow, you're back for revenge after all this time has passed?!"

Assuming my friend is correct, either Toriyama goofed up and his staff corrected him or Herms' initial translation was wrong. I guess we'll have to wait and see on that one!

[FortuneSSJ]

Its incredible how just a minor change of words can erase a plothole, assuming that is correct.
I love your friend.

[Herms]

That was indeed something I was going to highlight as a difference between Toriyama's script and the final film. I've just been waiting to get final confirmation since I've only got the Volume F script but haven't seen the film, which obviously makes things tricky. So far the other one that's jumped out is Shisami being around from the start in the movie, while the script doesn't mention him until he fights Piccolo.

[ShadowWolf87]

Okay, after wondering what on earth was going on with the consistency in this film, I now (hopefully) have a definitive answer to calm the storms.

Looking at Volume F, I was curious to see that the line about Bulma having never seen Freeza before was omitted, instead having that line from Freeza talking about seeing Bulma on Namek.

I couldn't imagine how on earth someone could let two contradictory statements remain within the same film. Bulma saying she'd never seen Freeza, only to have him say he remembers her?! That would be ridiculously careless.

Fortunately, my Japanese buddy was seeing the film again yesterday, so I asked him to note what exactly Freeza says. Here's his translation of the conversation:

Bulma: "God, you're persistent, how did you even come back?"
Jaco: "Idiot! You could have found a better way to phrase that!
Freeza: "Oh? Seeing as you know who I am, were you on Namek, too? If so, where is your friend Son Goku?"
"おや？もしかして私の事を知っている所を見るとあなたもナメック星に入らしていたのですか？お友達の孫悟さんは何処でしょうか？"
Bulma: "Wow, you're back for revenge after all this time has passed?!"

Assuming my friend is correct, either Toriyama goofed up and his staff corrected him or Herms' initial translation was wrong. I guess we'll have to wait and see on that one!

So we've had how many pages of meltdown now... over literally nothing.

My head can't take this, man.

[One_Instance]

Okay, after wondering what on earth was going on with the consistency in this film, I now (hopefully) have a definitive answer to calm the storms.

Looking at Volume F, I was curious to see that the line about Bulma having never seen Freeza before was omitted, instead having that line from Freeza talking about seeing Bulma on Namek.

I couldn't imagine how on earth someone could let two contradictory statements remain within the same film. Bulma saying she'd never seen Freeza, only to have him say he remembers her?! That would be ridiculously careless.

Fortunately, my Japanese buddy was seeing the film again yesterday, so I asked him to note what exactly Freeza says. Here's his translation of the conversation:

Bulma: "God, you're persistent, how did you even come back?"
Jaco: "Idiot! You could have found a better way to phrase that!
Freeza: "Oh? Seeing as you know who I am, were you on Namek, too? If so, where is your friend Son Goku?"
"おや？もしかして私の事を知っている所を見るとあなたもナメック星に入らしていたのですか？お友達の孫悟さんは何処でしょうか？"
Bulma: "Wow, you're back for revenge after all this time has passed?!"

Assuming my friend is correct, either Toriyama goofed up and his staff corrected him or Herms' initial translation was wrong. I guess we'll have to wait and see on that one!

So we've had how many pages of meltdown now... over literally nothing.

My head can't take this, man.

Let's just hope that Funimation doesn't mess up and put the incorrect version in the dub and start this whole thing over again.

[Lord Beerus]

Okay, after wondering what on earth was going on with the consistency in this film, I now (hopefully) have a definitive answer to calm the storms.

Looking at Volume F, I was curious to see that the line about Bulma having never seen Freeza before was omitted, instead having that line from Freeza talking about seeing Bulma on Namek.

I couldn't imagine how on earth someone could let two contradictory statements remain within the same film. Bulma saying she'd never seen Freeza, only to have him say he remembers her?! That would be ridiculously careless.

Fortunately, my Japanese buddy was seeing the film again yesterday, so I asked him to note what exactly Freeza says. Here's his translation of the conversation:

Bulma: "God, you're persistent, how did you even come back?"
Jaco: "Idiot! You could have found a better way to phrase that!
Freeza: "Oh? Seeing as you know who I am, were you on Namek, too? If so, where is your friend Son Goku?"
"おや？もしかして私の事を知っている所を見るとあなたもナメック星に入らしていたのですか？お友達の孫悟さんは何処でしょうか？"
Bulma: "Wow, you're back for revenge after all this time has passed?!"

Assuming my friend is correct, either Toriyama goofed up and his staff corrected him or Herms' initial translation was wrong. I guess we'll have to wait and see on that one!

Crisis averted, everyone! The major plothole that threatened to ruin the continuity of Dragon Ball has been resolved!

Seriously though, I'm glad this little goof-up has been settled.

[Dyno]

No contradictions/plotholes/inconsistencies at all, finally! Now if only this movie had brought a brand new and awesome villain with a plot adding a lot to the universe like Movie 14 did, if only characters weren't left aside, if only other characters had their character development worked on, if only "Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan" had a cool name and it were ice-blue, if only some characters hadn't been forgotten.

[EA575]

No contradictions/plotholes/inconsistencies at all, finally! Now if only this movie had brought a brand new and awesome villain with a plot adding a lot to the universe like Movie 14 did.

Maybe in the new series. Toriyama did hit it out of the park with Beerus and Whis, although they're not conventional villains, and Sorbet and Tagoma--and I guess Shisami--are pretty unique to what he's done before.

[Dyno]

Maybe in the new series.

Really hope all these aspects I said appear in the new series, really hope.

[Polyphase Avatron]

I think it's a silly thing to get all bent out of shape about anyway.

[Lord Beerus]

if only characters weren't left aside

I never in a million years would have thought that Krillin and Roshi would kick ass in a modern DBZ movie. So if ROF is any indication, Toriyama is more than willing to throw a bone to forgotten characters. Unless their Yamcha.

if only some characters hadn't been forgotten.

For what it's worth, practically every major Dragon Ball character made an appearance in BOG

[Herms]

Right, so for the record, here's the increasingly infamous "Freeza remembers Bulma" line from Toriyama's script, as recorded in Volume F:

おや、あなた見覚えがありますよ、たしかナメック星でチラっとお会いしてますね…お友達の孫悟空さんはどこでしょうか？
Freeza: "Oh, I remember you, we met very briefly on Planet Namek, didn’t we?...Where’s your friend Son Goku?”

And in contrast, here's the corrected "Freeza just assumes Bulma must have been on Namek" line from the finished film, according to AjayLikesGaming's friend:

"おや？もしかして私の事を知っている所を見るとあなたもナメック星に入らしていたのですか？お友達の孫悟さんは何処でしょうか？"
Freeza: "Oh? Seeing as you know who I am, were you on Namek, too? If so, where is your friend Son Goku?"

Edit: And now that I think of it, the "Jaco draws crummy picture of Freeza" gag isn't in Toriyama's script either, and was most likely added for the final film to explain how Bulma recognizes Freeza on sight. In the script it's just assumed that Bulma already knows what Freeza looks like.

This whole thing is pretty minor either way, but in the main series Bulma makes a point of saying how she never got a chance to see Freeza the whole time she was on Namek. It's the whole reason she flies out to see Mecha Freeza when he comes to Earth. So that makes it stand out more than most of the other small inconsistencies in the film, which may be why it ended up getting fixed like this.

[Dyno]

Hope my dub uses the below one.

[Basaku]

if only characters weren't left aside

I never in a million years would have thought that Krillin and Roshi would kick ass in a modern DBZ movie. So if ROF is any indication, Toriyama is more than willing to throw a bone to forgotten characters. Unless their Yamcha.

if only some characters hadn't been forgotten.

For what it's worth, practically every major Dragon Ball character made an appearance in BOG

Kinda the point, throwing a bone is just that. Far cry from secondary characters recieving major screen time and being allow to heavily influence the plot like it happened back in the day. Now they just get comfort scenes. Not good enough

[Lord Beerus]

Right, so for the record, here's the increasingly infamous "Freeza remembers Bulma" line from Toriyama's script, as recorded in Volume F:

おや、あなた見覚えがありますよ、たしかナメック星でチラっとお会いしてますね…お友達の孫悟空さんはどこでしょうか？
Freeza: "Oh, I remember you, we met very briefly on Planet Namek, didn’t we?...Where’s your friend Son Goku?”

And in contrast, here's the corrected "Freeza just assumes Bulma must have been on Namek" line from the finished film, according to AjayLikesGaming's friend:

"おや？もしかして私の事を知っている所を見るとあなたもナメック星に入らしていたのですか？お友達の孫悟さんは何処でしょうか？"
Freeza: "Oh? Seeing as you know who I am, were you on Namek, too? If so, where is your friend Son Goku?"

Edit: And now that I think of it, the "Jaco draws crummy picture of Freeza" gag isn't in Toriyama's script either, and was most likely added for the final film to explain how Bulma recognizes Freeza on sight. In the script it's just assumed that Bulma already knows what Freeza looks like.

This whole thing is pretty minor either way, but in the main series Bulma makes a point of saying how she never got a chance to see Freeza the whole time she was on Namek. It's the whole reason she flies out to see Mecha Freeza when he comes to Earth. So that makes it stand out more than most of the other small inconsistencies in the film, which may be why it ended up getting fixed like this.

So that settles that. The script in Volume F must have been a typo then, right?

[dbzfan7]

Right, so for the record, here's the increasingly infamous "Freeza remembers Bulma" line from Toriyama's script, as recorded in Volume F:

おや、あなた見覚えがありますよ、たしかナメック星でチラっとお会いしてますね…お友達の孫悟空さんはどこでしょうか？
Freeza: "Oh, I remember you, we met very briefly on Planet Namek, didn’t we?...Where’s your friend Son Goku?”

And in contrast, here's the corrected "Freeza just assumes Bulma must have been on Namek" line from the finished film, according to AjayLikesGaming's friend:

"おや？もしかして私の事を知っている所を見るとあなたもナメック星に入らしていたのですか？お友達の孫悟さんは何処でしょうか？"
Freeza: "Oh? Seeing as you know who I am, were you on Namek, too? If so, where is your friend Son Goku?"

Edit: And now that I think of it, the "Jaco draws crummy picture of Freeza" gag isn't in Toriyama's script either, and was most likely added for the final film to explain how Bulma recognizes Freeza on sight. In the script it's just assumed that Bulma already knows what Freeza looks like.

This whole thing is pretty minor either way, but in the main series Bulma makes a point of saying how she never got a chance to see Freeza the whole time she was on Namek. It's the whole reason she flies out to see Mecha Freeza when he comes to Earth. So that makes it stand out more than most of the other small inconsistencies in the film, which may be why it ended up getting fixed like this.

So that settles that. The script in Volume F must have been a typo then, right?

Or possibly Toriyama fucked up, and other people on the creative team fixed that issue. Like an editor perhaps.