Vegetto might have not unfused if he existed longer.

Bacon Skittles · Post by **Bacon Skittles** » Mon May 11, 2015 11:15 pm

BlackMagick · Post by **BlackMagick** » Tue May 12, 2015 1:46 am

But why would time be a variable that determines how solid the fusion is?

Sanyo96 · Post by **Sanyo96** » Tue May 12, 2015 11:12 am

I think I remember reading somewhere that Shenron has the power to defuse the potaras, so they could easily make a wish to be defused.

Darkprince410 · Post by **Darkprince410** » Tue May 12, 2015 1:29 pm

Sanyo96 wrote:I think I remember reading somewhere that Shenron has the power to defuse the potaras, so they could easily make a wish to be defused.

Rou Kaioushin knew about the existence of the Dragon Balls, yet still believed that the Potara fusion was permanent when he gave them to Goku, so therefore the Dragon Balls couldn't be used to defuse a Potara fusion.

DBZAOTA482 · Post by **DBZAOTA482** » Tue May 12, 2015 2:00 pm

Do potara fused characters live forever?

One_Instance · Post by **One_Instance** » Tue May 12, 2015 4:15 pm

DBZAOTA482 wrote:Do potara fused characters live forever?

No, Rou Dai Kaioshin died and gave his life to Goku.

Marco Polo · Post by **Marco Polo** » Tue May 12, 2015 4:17 pm

Darkprince410 wrote:
Sanyo96 wrote:I think I remember reading somewhere that Shenron has the power to defuse the potaras, so they could easily make a wish to be defused.
Rou Kaioushin knew about the existence of the Dragon Balls, yet still believed that the Potara fusion was permanent when he gave them to Goku, so therefore the Dragon Balls couldn't be used to defuse a Potara fusion.

He also said people shouldn't overuse the Dragon Balls so maybe he just didn't want the Dragon Balls to be used to unfuse them.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Tue May 12, 2015 4:21 pm

The Dragon Balls can't change things about people that are much more powerful than its creator. This is implied.

Marco Polo · Post by **Marco Polo** » Tue May 12, 2015 4:22 pm

rereboy wrote:The Dragon Balls can't change things about people that are much more powerful than its creator. This is implied.

They can't kill people that are much more powerful than its creator. However they can do many things to said people for example revive them.

Hitiro · Post by **Hitiro** » Tue May 12, 2015 4:23 pm

Darkprince410 wrote:
Sanyo96 wrote:I think I remember reading somewhere that Shenron has the power to defuse the potaras, so they could easily make a wish to be defused.
Rou Kaioushin knew about the existence of the Dragon Balls, yet still believed that the Potara fusion was permanent when he gave them to Goku, so therefore the Dragon Balls couldn't be used to defuse a Potara fusion.

We can't really say this. Because for him to know whether it were possible to defuse a Potara character it would have had to have been attempted before. Yet we can't possibly claim that it has or hasn't. So his assertion that the fusion is permanent is based only on what we can factually get from the story. But as we saw from the story it is possible to remove a fusion.

TheGmGoken · Post by **TheGmGoken** » Tue May 12, 2015 4:30 pm

Marco Polo wrote:
rereboy wrote:The Dragon Balls can't change things about people that are much more powerful than its creator. This is implied.
They can't kill people that are much more powerful than its creator. However they can do many things to said people for example revive them.

He's indirect killing Vegetto though.

Loophole

Marco Polo · Post by **Marco Polo** » Tue May 12, 2015 4:31 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:
Marco Polo wrote:
rereboy wrote:The Dragon Balls can't change things about people that are much more powerful than its creator. This is implied.
They can't kill people that are much more powerful than its creator. However they can do many things to said people for example revive them.
He's indirect killing Vegetto though.

Loophole

Fair enough

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Tue May 12, 2015 4:46 pm

Marco Polo wrote:
rereboy wrote:The Dragon Balls can't change things about people that are much more powerful than its creator. This is implied.
They can't kill people that are much more powerful than its creator. However they can do many things to said people for example revive them.

The dragon specifically mentions the power of the androids as a reason why he can't change them back to humans. And when he is able to remove their bombs he specifically mentions that he is able to do it because it doesn't really significantly alter them.

If all the dragon was unable to do was kill them, they would just have to wish for Freeza or any other bad guy to be a good guy. Or lose all of his senses. Or have a IQ of 1.

The Dragon can't even teleport people like that against their will and that doesn't alter them in the slightest.

So, the dragon balls wouldn't be able to change Vegetto, aka defuse him.

emperior · Post by **emperior** » Sun May 17, 2015 3:28 pm

rereboy wrote:
Marco Polo wrote:
rereboy wrote:The Dragon Balls can't change things about people that are much more powerful than its creator. This is implied.
They can't kill people that are much more powerful than its creator. However they can do many things to said people for example revive them.
The dragon specifically mentions the power of the androids as a reason why he can't change them back to humans. And when he is able to remove their bombs he specifically mentions that he is able to do it because it doesn't really significantly alter them.

If all the dragon was unable to do was kill them, they would just have to wish for Freeza or any other bad guy to be a good guy. Or lose all of his senses. Or have a IQ of 1.

The Dragon can't even teleport people like that against their will and that doesn't alter them in the slightest.

So, the dragon balls wouldn't be able to change Vegetto, aka defuse him.

Exactly this. Shenron can't touch individuals stronger than his creator.

saunasolmu · Post by **saunasolmu** » Sun May 17, 2015 4:00 pm

rereboy wrote: The Dragon can't even teleport people like that against their will and that doesn't alter them in the slightest.

Porunga teleported Vegeta from Namek to Earth against his will. I think it's only mentioned once that the dragon shouldn't be able to do that, so it's 1 case vs another. Can't say how it is either way.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Sun May 17, 2015 4:15 pm

saunasolmu wrote: Porunga teleported Vegeta from Namek to Earth against his will. I think it's only mentioned once that the dragon shouldn't be able to do that, so it's 1 case vs another. Can't say how it is either way.

That's true but that's just an inconsistency since not long after that the Dragon can't teleport Goku. It doesn't negate the point I was making, I believe.

Marco Polo · Post by **Marco Polo** » Sun May 17, 2015 5:33 pm

Maybe deep down Vegeta did want to get teleported to Earth.

Saiga · Post by **Saiga** » Mon May 18, 2015 6:06 am

Well, Vegeta only tries to attack Freeza in the anime. Manga Vegeta could have just been neutral enough to go with it.

I assume the Dragon can just tell who is willing and who isn't.

Also, I think if Vegetto consents, the Dragon could split him.

emperior · Post by **emperior** » Wed May 20, 2015 4:37 pm

Probably with Vegetto consensus, this could happen.
Not sure if Shenron magic is as strong as Potara magic, though.

singsing · Post by **singsing** » Wed May 20, 2015 11:54 pm

rereboy wrote:
saunasolmu wrote: Porunga teleported Vegeta from Namek to Earth against his will. I think it's only mentioned once that the dragon shouldn't be able to do that, so it's 1 case vs another. Can't say how it is either way.
That's true but that's just an inconsistency since not long after that the Dragon can't teleport Goku. It doesn't negate the point I was making, I believe.

I thought Shenron was simply respecting Goku's wishes to not be teleported back?

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