Discussion, generally of an in-universe nature, regarding any aspect of the franchise (including movies, spin-offs, etc.) such as: techniques, character relationships, internal back-history, its universe, and more.
Angelus wrote:End of Z Krillin VS Androids Saga Yamcha, Chiaotzu, and Tenshinhan (Multiform split to 4)-- No tribeam, paralysis, or solar flare
Krillin takes out all the clones like how he destroyed all those Saibamen. Yamcha, Chiaotzu, and Tenshinhan having their power split 1/4 fractions just makes the job easier for Krillin.
I meant only Tien would split into 4.
Here's another one about multiform:
End of Z Tien (Multiform split to 4) VS Androids Saga Yamcha and Chiaotzu, with Future Krillin and Chiaotzu-- No tribeam, paralysis, or solar flare
Angelus wrote:End of Z Krillin VS Androids Saga Yamcha, Chiaotzu, and Tenshinhan (Multiform split to 4)-- No tribeam, paralysis, or solar flare
Krillin takes out all the clones like how he destroyed all those Saibamen. Yamcha, Chiaotzu, and Tenshinhan having their power split 1/4 fractions just makes the job easier for Krillin.
I meant only Tenshinhan would split into 4.
Oh, okay. Well, Krillin wins anyway.
End of Z Tenshinhan (Multiform split to 4) VS Androids Saga Yamcha and Chiaotzu, with Future Krillin and Chiaotzu-- No tribeam, paralysis, or solar flare
Tien gets overwhelmed and beaten.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Dyno wrote:Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta vs Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Gogeta.
Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto vs Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegetto.
Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Gogeta vs Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto.
Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegetto vs Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta.
Kakarot beyond God vs Super Saiyan God Vegeta.
- SSJ4 Gogeta stomps
- SSJGSSJ Vegetto one shots
- SSJGSSJ Gogeta dominates SSJ3 Vegetto
- SSJGSSJ Vegetto finger flicks SSJ4 Gogeta
- Goku Beyond God wins quite comfortably
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Well if Shisami is slightly stronger than Piccolo, who hasn't been shown to have lost any strength, Shisami could be around Cell Jr level. Since Gohan one shotted (he did right?) he could be around his SSJ2 kid self. So he should win SPC IMO.
Not that I disagree with you, but couldn't Cell do the same thing to a Cell Jr.? I guess「Ｆ」' Gohan still have a slightly edge in power, but Cell is clever enough to make this fight very difficult.
Yeah it could go either way to be fair. I just put Gohan ahead in power but nothing too drastic, so Cell could pull something off with his array of abilities.
singsing wrote:
Sora Saiyan wrote:
Dyno wrote:Bills (Movie 15) vs Kakarot and Vegeta beyond Gods (the very end of Z).
When you say beyond gods do you mean their powered up base? 5 years of training is a lot of time though so maybe they surpass Beerus individually at that point, together they'd win. SSJGSS's would definitely win individually IMO.
They were still so weak that an unpowered sleepy ki blast was supposed to be enough to kill them, and 7 years of probably near 24/7 training in the Other World did no more than like, double Goku's power bar SSJ3. I don't see them ever surpassing Beerus, which IMO is the best way to have things.
I don't pay much attention to that Beerus ki blast, I just believe it was because they were off guard. Yeah the gains in other world were a lot slower but IMO that was because they had reached a plateau, but now with God power they have opened up a whole new world they haven't even began to explore. They can make decent gains again IMO.
Angelus wrote:Saibaman + Saibaman Fusion Dance VS Recoome-- No fusion time limit
Recoome stomps.
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
Angelus wrote:Saibaman + Saibaman Fusion Dance VS Recoome-- No fusion time limit
Recoome stomps the Saibamen back in the ground that the both of the little, green, weed-like fuckers sprouted out of.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Anyways…. Kid Goku (Pilaf Saga) vs. Bacterian ; One guy believes this Goku can beat Bacterian)
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
This is the wrong sub forum to be posting the lyrics for the Dragon Ball parody song you're writing.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Vegito (Z) vs Goku (GT)
Baby Vegeta 1 vs Super Boo
SSjin Gohan (GT) vs Mystic Gohan
SSjin Goten (GT) vs Majin Vegeta SSjin 2
SSjin 2 Vegeta (GT) vs Base Vegito (Z)
Baby Vegeta 2 vs Bootenks
Boohan vs Goku (GT)
Chou_Gohan wrote:Vegito (Z) vs Goku (GT)
Baby Vegeta 1 vs Super Boo
SSjin Gohan (GT) vs Mystic Gohan
SSjin Goten (GT) vs Majin Vegeta SSjin 2
SSjin 2 Vegeta (GT) vs Base Vegito (Z)
Baby Vegeta 2 vs Bootenks
Boohan vs Goku (GT)
-If you mean Super Vegetto, then BoGT, M2, and Baby saga Goku lose entirely. S17 arc Goku wins in base. If you mean SS3 Vegetto, SS4 Goku is needed.
-Base GT Gohan wins.
-Base GT Goten wins.
-BoGT Vegeta loses entirely, Baby saga and beyond, Vegeta wins in base.
-Base Baby Vegeta wins.
-BoGT Goku loses entirely, M2 Goku wins in base.
This is the wrong sub forum to be posting the lyrics for the Dragon Ball parody song you're writing.
He has a point though, the last couple dozen pages are filled with one worded answers to these now almost pretty silly vs match ups and it really isn't all that interesting to read at this point.
It's not too late. One day, it will be.
Peace And Power MF DOOM!
Peace and Power Kevin Samuels
This is the wrong sub forum to be posting the lyrics for the Dragon Ball parody song you're writing.
He has a point though, the last couple dozen pages are filled with one worded answers to these now almost pretty silly vs match ups and it really isn't all that interesting to read at this point.
Because people keep throwing up these huge bulk lists of fights, and nobody wants to actually discuss any of them.
So, here's a classic debatable one to help get things on track. Nail vs Recoome. If Nail's too much, either Jeice or Burter can help Recoome out. If Recoome's too much for Nail, Nail gets Gohan, Krillin, and Vegeta.
Lord Beerus wrote:Kid Buu having infinite stamina and no nose gives him the advantage. Kid Buu takes this.
It's Goku... not Boo.
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
