Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by voltlunok » Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:58 pm

And this is what I'm talking about! You dismiss someone else's opinion and just continue to ask questions that have been answered! What do you gain out of this? It's not discussion because no matter what you act bullheaded and shove other people's opinions aside to continue going "Yeah yeah. I hear that but...you're wrong and let me tell you with my opinions why I know you're wrong!"
Where'd you get the idea that Goku's supposed to sound grating? And he's not hyperactive. You make it sound like he needs Ritalin.
How did I make it sound like he should be on Ritalin? Cause I said hyperactive? Ok then by that logic ALL KIDS SHOULD BE ON RITALIN! Cause kids are hyperactive and energetic, they're KIDS! I have a 5 year old nephew, he is hyperactive and runs around all the time much like Kid Goku does! Also his voice rasps and grates a bit. Also as someone who was shoved on Ritalin as a kid because I showed the slightest signs of a hyperactive disorder, your generalization is rather rude and offensive. There is a difference between being hyperactive and having a hyperactive disorder.
The Luffy excuse doesn't work for me. It's like when people complain about someone giving he same performance. What does it matter if the performance fits a character? Jack Nicholson gives the same performance in most of his films, but so what? It fit the Joker? Why should I judge his performance as The Joker because what he did in a completely different film?
That's two completely different kinds of acting! Acting in a film requires more then just a voice, you have body language, expressions, carrying the performance! Now it is true that voice acting and acting on camera have some ties together, A book I read by Dan Gilvezan (Voice of G1 Bumblebee) has him go on about how if you want to become a voice actor, you may as well learn to act in general. But with voice acting, we don't see their body language or their expressions as they act out the voice for the character. So all we have to go on for Colleen is her voice, when that voice is interchangeably the same through 3 roles! That's being lazy. Nicholson may play the similar roles but you can clearly see how he carries himself differently between each role, His role as Jack Torrance in The Shining is nothing like his role as The Joker. He carries them completely differently. Colleen however doesn't and that isn't good voice acting in my opinion.
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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by gohann » Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:12 pm

ABED wrote:Unfortunately I don't feel like going through the effort to look on youtube for a bunch of evidence, but there are hundreds of more laughs and screams that I can find of Nadolny that are beyond annoying, yet one scream from Colleen and you're judging it like it's worse than Greedo shooting first? I constantly hear how people find Colleen's voice grating, but Nadolny's rasp is far more apparent than Colleen's which calls into question those opinions.
I don't have a problem with Colleen because of rasp, the acting just isn't as good as it could be.
No it wouldn't. Her voice lacks the energy necessary to portray Goku. It's too soft. Regarding improving acting and characterization, you make it sound like that's easy.
Would you rather have a good voice but bad acting, or not-as-bad acting and a bad voice? Colleen could be the better pick if she changes the voice (she's done better kid voices elsewhere).

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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by ABED » Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:16 pm

How did I make it sound like he should be on Ritalin? Cause I said hyperactive? Ok then by that logic ALL KIDS SHOULD BE ON RITALIN! Cause kids are hyperactive and energetic, they're KIDS!
No, then they wouldn't need the term hyperactive. Goku is capable of being still for prolonged periods. I was put on Ritalin as well, no need to be offended.
You dismiss someone else's opinion and just continue to ask questions that have been answered!
How was that simply me not understanding and disagreeing? To you that's dismissal, I was disagreeing.
But with voice acting, we don't see their body language or their expressions as they act out the voice for the character. So all we have to go on for Colleen is her voice, when that voice is interchangeably the same through 3 roles! That's being lazy. Nicholson may play the similar roles but you can clearly see how he carries himself differently between each role, His role as Jack Torrance in The Shining is nothing like his role as The Joker. He carries them completely differently. Colleen however doesn't and that isn't good voice acting in my opinion.
Better example than Jack, he was just at the top of my head because I watched Batman not too long ago, Jim Carrey or Michael Cera. They give similar performances in numerous films.
I'm well aware that in VAing you only have your voice but the fundamentals don't change. If you give the same performance, it doesn't matter. Who cares if it's lazy, the question isn't how diverse is the actor's performances, the question is if that PARTICULAR performance fits the character which shouldn't be affected by a performance in a completely different series. I think your opinion is off. You may think that's not diverse, but that has nothing to do with her performance. Being different and being skilled are two different issues, and Colleen's voice for Goku is completely different than 18 or some other roles I've heard from her in other series, but because you hear something similar from a similar character, that's bad acting? HOW!? Her Goku and Gohan have similar sounds, but the performances are different. You've only pointed out one example where she's similar, but as I'm sure some who have seen the show will back me up on this, they are similar characters so it would make sense that they sound similar. Why change if you don't have to? To earn browny points?
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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by theoriginalbilis » Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:05 am

Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Barbara Goodson. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeOnRAPjuPM

Saffron Henderson ain't half bad either.
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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by Singh is King » Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:03 pm

theoriginalbilis wrote:Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Barbara Goodson. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeOnRAPjuPM

Saffron Henderson ain't half bad either.
Oh, wow, that actually sounds like Masako Nozawa talking in English to me.

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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by gohann » Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:20 pm

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1) Stephanie Nadolny (DB Goku > GT Goku) - She's everything I was looking for in the voice, it's the most distinct of them too. She also did a great Goku Jr. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CgwpecWlWc
2) Barbara Goodson - Is the closest to Masako Nozawa, and holds up on its own. Some of her lines are a bit uneven-sounding ("Uh-uh, this ball belongs to by grandpa, he gave it to me", but it doesn't really detract from the character.)
3) Saffron Henderson - A bit more collected than it should be, but not bad.
4) Zoe Slusar - Not the best, but gets down all of the major aspects of his personality.
5) Ceyli Juliann Delgadillo - The acting/characterization are poor and lacking in energy, but the voice itself is one of the better ones.
6) AB Groupe UVA - Basically Barbara Goodson with terrible acting and line delivery. The voice is at least cute-sounding, though.
7) Kirby Morrow - The voice isn't age-appropriate or fitting, but at least it's not too grating.
8) Colleen Clinkenbeard (Xenoverse GT Goku > DB Goku) - The acting isn't terrible, but it grates, and the voice doesn't really fit him either. As others have said, she does little to distinguish it from certain other roles.
9) Brianne Siddall - The energy is certainly there, but the character she's voicing isn't Goku in any way, more like some "cool", "badass" kid hero. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf9jzu-JFKU
10) Peter Kelamis - I don't think I need to explain why he's at the bottom.
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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by Ajay » Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:29 pm

theoriginalbilis wrote: Barbara Goodson. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeOnRAPjuPM
Huh, I should pay more attention to dubs. This was really nice.
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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by Singh is King » Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:31 pm

gohann wrote:Updated rank:

1) Stephanie Nadolny (DB Goku > GT Goku) - She's everything I was looking for in the voice, it's the most distinct of them too. She also did a great Goku Jr. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CgwpecWlWc
2) Barbara Goodson - Is the closest to Masako Nozawa, and holds up on its own.
3) Saffron Henderson - A bit more collected than it should be, but not bad.
4) Zoe Slusar - Not the best, but gets down all of the major aspects of his personality.
5) Ceyli Juliann Delgadillo - The acting/characterization are poor and lacking in energy, but the voice itself is one of the better ones.
6) AB Groupe UVA - Basically Barbara Goodson with terrible acting and line delivery. The voice is at least cute-sounding, though.
7) Colleen Clinkenbeard (Xenoverse GT Goku > DB Goku) - The acting isn't terrible, but it grates, and the voice doesn't really fit him either. As others have said, she does little to distinguish it from certain other roles.
8) Brianne Siddall - The energy is certainly there, but the character she's voicing isn't Goku in any way, more like some "cool", "badass" kid hero. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf9jzu-JFKU
9) Peter Kelamis - I don't think I need to explain why he's at the bottom.
I actually have pretty much the same thoughts after listening to Goodson there, except put Colleen above the AB Groupe UVA because that actress cannot act at all, IMO.

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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by gohann » Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:32 pm

Singh is King wrote: I actually have pretty much the same thoughts after listening to Goodson there, except put Colleen above the AB Groupe UVA because that actress cannot act at all, IMO.
AB Groupe UVA's acting is only rivaled by Peter Kelamis in terms of badness, but at least her take doesn't annoy me unlike the last three.
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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by Lord Beerus » Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:37 pm

theoriginalbilis wrote:Barbara Goodson. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeOnRAPjuPM
Wow. Barbara was pretty damn good. :)

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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by Singh is King » Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:38 pm

gohann wrote:
Singh is King wrote: I actually have pretty much the same thoughts after listening to Goodson there, except put Colleen above the AB Groupe UVA because that actress cannot act at all, IMO.
AB Groupe UVA's acting is only rivaled by Peter Kelamis in terms of badness, but at least her take doesn't annoy me unlike the last three.
Makes sense to me.

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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by gohann » Mon Jun 01, 2015 9:44 pm

What did you guys think of Kirby Morrow as Kid Goku?

I have to say he's at least better than Peter Kelamis and Brianne Siddall.

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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by KaiserNeko » Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:48 pm

gohann wrote:What did you guys think of Kirby Morrow as Kid Goku?

I have to say he's at least better than Peter Kelamis and Brianne Siddall.
I'd have to hear. What scene does he play Kid Goku in? And I actually don't mind Brianne Siddall as Kid Goku so much.
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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by gohann » Mon Jun 01, 2015 11:23 pm

Gohan's First Date flashback.

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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by KaiserNeko » Mon Jun 01, 2015 11:47 pm

gohann wrote:Gohan's First Date flashback.
Just gave it a watch. Not really a fan. It doesn't sound anywhere close to a child; honestly, Brianne Siddall is many times more appropriate. I'd say Morrow is just barely better than Kelamis.
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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by ShaneisMC » Tue Jun 02, 2015 1:09 am

Nadolny needs to be Kid Goku and needs nothing to do with Gohan. Clinkenbeard needs to stay Gohan and stay away from Goku.

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Post by ABED » Tue Jun 02, 2015 4:52 am

Of the two, why do you consider her Gohan so bad? It's the more natural sounding.
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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by NitroEX » Tue Jun 02, 2015 8:10 am

KaiserNeko wrote:
gohann wrote:Gohan's First Date flashback.
Just gave it a watch. Not really a fan. It doesn't sound anywhere close to a child; honestly, Brianne Siddall is many times more appropriate. I'd say Morrow is just barely better than Kelamis.
Brianne Siddall as kid Goku Goku honestly isn't an appropriate casting choice in my opinion. From what I remember of her in other shows her voice is just a little too gentle sounding to be a tough martial artist kid.

Kirby Morrow's kid Goku wasn't horrible but I thought Kelamis' version was better especially if you go back and watch the Red Ribbon army flashback from the Android saga (Double Trouble for Goku), I thought he did a great job there considering it was a man doing a kid voice. His kid Goku retained that lovable dull-wittedness and he showed a range of emotions while maintaining the voice which I think is impressive. Also I love those feral Kelamis yells, very appropriate for a boy who lived in the wild.

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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by gohann » Tue Jun 02, 2015 9:36 am

KaiserNeko wrote:
gohann wrote:Gohan's First Date flashback.
Just gave it a watch. Not really a fan. It doesn't sound anywhere close to a child; honestly, Brianne Siddall is many times more appropriate. I'd say Morrow is just barely better than Kelamis.
Maybe on some other character, I would agree, but Brianne Siddall was playing some "badass" as opposed to Goku.

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Re: Favorite English voice for Kid Goku?

Post by NeoKING » Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:40 am

Tied for Stephanie Nadolny and Barbara Goodson, but for GT's kid Goku, however, Zoe Sulsar was perfect. Someone in this thread mentioned certain voices for kid Goku making him sound smarter than he should be. In GT, Sulsar captured that perfectly (her script helped too), considering that he was a grown adult in a child's body; it made sense.

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