Discussion, generally of an in-universe nature, regarding any aspect of the franchise (including movies, spin-offs, etc.) such as: techniques, character relationships, internal back-history, its universe, and more.
This probably should just be in the versus thread, instead of having it's own thread.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:What does that have to do with anything?
Who is this guy, anyway? What has he done to be compared to Buu?
And can you start actually putting some thought into your OP's? At least make some effort towards productive discussion.
I'm a little way through chapter 3 and the only notable thing he has done is blow the brains out the back of some bad guys skulls with a kiai or possibly throwing a fist with enough air pressure to do it. He also survived a jet plane crash and was bleeding from the mouth. So I would have to say he is not that strong compared to dragon ball characters. Tao Pai Pai level may be fairly accurate. I assume he is also capable of after images like the main character is.
shonenhikada wrote:Is it true he is at kid buu level ?
No. Did someone actually claim that? Because that's a completely bizzare statement.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Who is this guy, anyway? What has he done to be compared to Buu?
He's Asasa, a character from Toriyama's 1998 one-shot Kajika. In the series he's Kajika's rival, an assassin hired to kill him but who eventually becomes a sort of ally. A bit of a cross between Tao Pai Pai and Tenshinhan in that regard. In the series he doesn't do anything that would suggest he's anywhere as strong as (for instance) Raditz, let alone Boo.
And can you start actually putting some thought into your OP's? At least make some effort towards productive discussion.
I agree with the previous sentiments, he's Tao Pai Pai level at best, if not, slightly above.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
When Kajika causes his bug-plane to crash, we see him whipe blood from his lip as he's getting out. That would imply he's nowhere near as powerful as 21st Budokai Krillin. He and Kajika also have an attack that looks like it's telekinesis, but once Kajika has his cursed removed and uses it again, we see it's actually a very weak ki attack like the one Spopovitch used on Videl. At Kajika's full strength, it's a bit stronger than what the dragon/Gibachi can pump out and the dragon looks to be somewhere between Tenshinhan and Piccolo Daimao. Before Gibachi fully transforms and increases in strength, he's shown kicking the crap out of Isaza.
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Kamiccolo9 wrote:So this guy's best feat is surviving a plane crash? Then why is Buu even in the picture here?
I don't think Buu would survive a plane crash because of inertia and velocity and the explosion. His bubble gum pieces would go on fire and he dies.
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super
Kamiccolo9 wrote:So this guy's best feat is surviving a plane crash? Then why is Buu even in the picture here? Harrison Ford did that a few months ago.
Harrison Ford is Kid Boo level Confirmed!
"I am neither Goku nor Vegeta! I am the one who will defeat you!!" - Gogeta
Kamiccolo9 wrote:So this guy's best feat is surviving a plane crash? Then why is Buu even in the picture here? Harrison Ford did that a few months ago.
What happened to him in the plane is basically what "Golden-haired Gohan" (as in, Great Saiyaman prior to getting the costume) did to the escaping robbers in the car, only it was an anti-gravity bug-shaped machine that was attempting to land instead of a car and he got out of it easily, just with a bit of a split lip.
In hindsight, I want to say that full-power Kajika and dragon-Gibachi are on par with Oozaru Goku from the Pilaf era. We see enough of Isaza to see that he's much, much stronger than Pamputt, but he gets the snot kicked out of him by Gibachi. The difference in strength between Gibachi and Isaza is like Drum vs Tenshinhan.
For another example, Post-Karin Goku gets hit by a sniper rifle and merely gets annoyed. Kajika, while still under the curse, gets hit by a similar rifle and it takes out his arm as badly as it would a regular human's. The difference between this version of Kajika and Isaza is about as big as the gap between Post-Karin Goku and Tao Pai Pai (Isaza being Goku in this example).
Captain Christopher Pike wrote:The away team will consist of myself, Cadet Kirk, Mr. Sulu, and Ensign Olsen.
Freeza Heika wrote:
for the land of the cool, and the home of the Appule