The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Lord Beerus]

Except base Gotenks doesn't defeat Super Buu? And SSJ Gotenks couldn't defeat Super Buu? Is Base Gotenks stronger than SSJ Gotenks now?

It's only implied that post-ROSAT Gotenks could have defeated Super Boo. And yes, Base Gotenks is stronger than SSJ Gotenks, but only in the scenario where it's post-ROSAT Base Gotenks and pre-ROSAT SSJ Gotenks.

[Kamiccolo9]

Except base Gotenks doesn't defeat Super Buu? And SSJ Gotenks couldn't defeat Super Buu? Is Base Gotenks stronger than SSJ Gotenks now?

It's only implied that post-ROSAT Gotenks could have defeated Super Boo. And yes, Base Gotenks is stronger than SSJ Gotenks, but only in the scenario where it's post-ROSAT Base Gotenks and pre-ROSAT SSJ Gotenks.

It's not implied anywhere. Trunks thinks Gotenks can, and is immediately proven wrong.

[Lord Beerus]

Except base Gotenks doesn't defeat Super Buu? And SSJ Gotenks couldn't defeat Super Buu? Is Base Gotenks stronger than SSJ Gotenks now?

It's only implied that post-ROSAT Gotenks could have defeated Super Boo. And yes, Base Gotenks is stronger than SSJ Gotenks, but only in the scenario where it's post-ROSAT Base Gotenks and pre-ROSAT SSJ Gotenks.

It's not implied anywhere. Trunks thinks Gotenks can, and is immediately proven wrong.

Trunks may have been wrong but the spike in power that Gotenks gets from being in the ROSAT can't be contradicted.

[Kamiccolo9]

Trunks may have been wrong but the spike in power that Gotenks gets from being in the ROSAT can't be contradicted.

You didn't just say that his power spiked. You were saying that base Gotenks was on par with Super Buu, which is clearly contradicted.

[Hugo Boss]

Daizenshuu 7 even flat out mentions power, and there is no contradiction, anywhere.

Using Potara with Dende or Mr. Satan makes Goku wonder if he will get weaker and that comes after Old Kaioshin said Potara is more powerful than Fusion.

And fusing with Dende or Mr. Satan via the normal method would imply having to make Goku lower his power so ridiculously low that he'd end up weaker than himself anyway.

The point is that Potara doesn't always make someone stronger, which is a important detail when you are hyping some method of fusion that requires an increasing of power to be effective at all.

It seems you ignored the obvious intent of the quote, and have no rebuttal for what Old Kaioshin says, so potara > fusion dance still stands.

I just showed there is a contradiction inside the story, because the result of merging after using Potara is not always greater than with Fusion.

[Hellspawn28]

SSjSSjG Vegeta vs. San Xing Long (Eis Shenron)

No outside help. Who wins?

[Sora Saiyan]

- Base Gotenks stomps, irregardless. Base Gotenks is Super Boo tier at that stage. And the Cell Jrs fused, whether it's Potara or Fusion Dance, do not reach that level in my opinion.

Sorry, but what makes you think base Gotenks is Super Boo tier post-RoSaT? He did try to fight Boo in base and got annihilated, Gotenks could barely even budge him with his best attacks, and even as a SSJ he couldn't do much to Boo without the Ghost Kamikaze attack. It took SSJ3 for Gotenks to gain the upper hand. I take it this is the post RoSaT Gotenks you're talking about?

Yes, this is post ROSAT Gotenks, I'm talking about. Who Trunks believes at that stage could have beaten Super Boo and nobody really contradicts him on that. So, go figure
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Yes Piccolo temporarily thinks he might have a chance also, until he sees it play out and then thinks that they're doomed, he later face palms. Gotenks thinks ,whilst fighting Boo, that Boo must be acting tough because he's clearly doing nothing to him.
Gotenks shits himself when he reverts to base, and when he attempts to fight Boo just prior to getting absorbed he goes straight to SSJ3. Surely if his base was around Boos level he wouldn't need to go SSJ3 as SSJ would make him almost 50x stronger than Boo.

[Berserker1921]

SSjSSjG Vegeta vs. San Xing Long (Eis Shenron)

No outside help. Who wins?

Vegeta slaughters. If he isn't cocky and gets blown up >_> I hate toriyama. But honestly vegeta now is technically stronger then ssj4 goku and Vegito. He obtained ssjgod at one point and now absorbed that power. Now he retains either all of it or a good portion of it. So even if he kept 75% of that godly power. Once he turns super Saiyan he slaughters Eis.

[Berserker1921]

Demigra enhanced baby golden frieza vs both goku and vegeta as their ssjgssj forms. And no fusions. Who wins?

[supercat]

SSjSSjG Vegeta vs. San Xing Long (Eis Shenron)

No outside help. Who wins?

Vegeta wins with relative ease. Although it's hard to tell where he's at exactly (especially compared to GT fighters), I would say he should be able to put up a decent fight against Omega Shenron, but not quite be at the point where he can take the dragon down.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

SS Gotenks post vs. SS Goku (@ Ledgic)

[DBZAOTA482]

SS Gotenks post vs. SS Goku (@ Ledgic)

SSJ Goku.... he'll find a way...

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

I have them right around the same strength

[Polyphase Avatron]

Okay, I've got one. Golden Freeza vs. Super Buu with Gotenks, Piccolo, Gohan, and Vegito all absorbed.

[supercat]

Okay, I've got one. Golden Freeza vs. Super Buu with Gotenks, Piccolo, Gohan, and Vegito all absorbed.

Seeing how Buuhan is one-shot material for Golden Frieza and is so far below him at this point, I don't think adding the powers of even SSJ Vegetto and SSJ3 Gotenks would be enough to close the gap between their powers. Unless Buuhan somehow benefits from a huge multiplier after absorbing Vegetto, Golden Frieza still trashes him with relative ease.

[ZombieVito]

Okay, I've got one. Golden Freeza vs. Super Buu with Gotenks, Piccolo, Gohan, and Vegito all absorbed.

Buu gets disintegrated.

[supercat]

Super 17 (post energy absorption) and Omega Shenron - DBZ Gauntlet

How far can they get going one on one against these amazing fighters from DBZ?

Golden Frieza
SSGSS Vegeta
SSG Goku
SSGSS Goku
Beerus

[Hugo Boss]

SS Gotenks post vs. SS Goku (@ Ledgic)

I can see Goku winning with some effort, but Gotenks is a much harder fight than Ledgic, since Gotenks has the super ghost kamikaze attack.

[supercat]

GT Piccolo - Gauntlet

Assuming the following:
Piccolo > Rildo > Buuhan

How far does he get?

Frieza (before FnF) - Potara Fusion with Zarbon and Dodoria
Army of Meta-Coolers (1000) - no destroying the Big Ghetti Star
Super Perfect Cell - with all Z-Fighters from the Cell Games absorbed
Janemba - Final Form
SSJ3 Broly
Base Vegetto
Hirudegarn
Dabura / Super Perfect Cell - Fusion Dance
Pikkon / Olibu - Potara Fusion
SSJ Gogeta (Movie 12)
Buuhan with SSJ3 Gotenks
Piccolo (EoZ) fused with every warrior Namekian

[Lord Beerus]

SSjSSjG Vegeta vs. San Xing Long (Eis Shenron)

No outside help. Who wins?

Vegeta absolutely destroys Eis.

Demigra enhanced baby golden Freeza vs both goku and vegeta as their ssjgssj forms. And no fusions. Who wins?

Golden Freeza, even without Demigra enhancing his strength, could defeat SSJGSSJ Goku and Vegeta. With Demigra enhancing his power, Golden Freeza stomps the Saiyan duo with great ease.

SS Gotenks post vs. SS Goku (@ Ledgic)

Goku wins after a long and hard battle

Okay, I've got one. Golden Freeza vs. Super Buu with Gotenks, Piccolo, Gohan, and Vegito all absorbed.

Golden Freeza still one shots. He is in a league of his own as far as I'm concerned.

Super 17 (post energy absorption) and Omega Shenron - DBZ Gauntlet

How far can they get going one on one against these amazing fighters from DBZ?

Golden Freeza
SSGSS Vegeta
SSG Goku
SSGSS Goku
Beerus

Super #17 ain't touching any of them. Omega Shenron could definitely defeat SSJG Goku and could win against SSJGSSJ Goku and Vegeta if fortune favours him, but he's not gonna last against Golden Freeza or Beerus.

GT Piccolo - Gauntlet

Assuming the following:
Piccolo > Rildo > Buuhan

How far does he get?

Freeza (before FnF) - Potara Fusion with Zarbon and Dodoria
Army of Meta-Coolers (1000) - no destroying the Big Ghetti Star
Super Perfect Cell - with all Z-Fighters from the Cell Games absorbed
Janemba - Final Form
SSJ3 Broly
Base Vegetto
Hirudegarn
Dabura / Super Perfect Cell - Fusion Dance
Paikuhan / Olibu - Potara Fusion
SSJ Gogeta (Movie 12)
Buuhan with SSJ3 Gotenks
Piccolo (EoZ) fused with every warrior Namekian

GT Piccolo blitz's through all of them.