The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[supercat]

Mystic Gohan vs 1st Form Freeza post training

Cell trains and gets a upgrade similar to Freeza's and Goku on Namek. He takes on GT and recent movies. How far?

Ultimate Gohan crushes First Form Freeza post training.

After completing his training, I see Freeza in his first form more or less around SSJ3 / Kid Buu tier.

Can you further elaborate your question regarding Cell a bit more?

Sure! Seeing as Freeza trained for 4 months and got mighty strong. What if Cell did the same AND adding in his Saiyan zenkai genes(like Goku training for Namek).

If the concept of being a prodigy was passed down to Cell, then combined with his privilege of obtaining power increases through Zenkais, I could see him trumping Golden Frieza and Beerus, but possibly falling short of Whis. Since Cell would already start at a power far greater than what Frieza had before his 4 months of training, assuming he's just as much of a prodigy, the additional benefits (though may be negligible at that point) from his Zenkais should all likely put him at levels Frieza wouldn't even be able to dream of in just 4 months. Cell would likely obtain a battle power that would enable him to crush every fighter in GT.

On the contrary, if we assume that the gift of being a prodigy is not something that could fully be inherited biologically, and assuming Cell is a recipient of only a portion of that gift, I could see him sitting somewhere between SSJ3 Goku and Buutenks' realm of power. Meaning, in GT he likely wouldn't make it past Rildo's second form.

With no prodigy potential passed down at all, Cell wouldn't get very far with only 4 months of training. I would place him more or less around Majin Vegeta tier at the very best.

[supercat]

Fat Janemba (my avatar) vs Mr Buu (i.e. split from his evil counterpart)

First form Freeza (F) vs Fat Buu (i.e. with evil counterpart intact) <-- Both managed to one-shot SSJ Gohan.

Oozaru Vegeta (saiyan saga) vs Zarbon (transformed)

Hirudegarn (1st form) vs Burning/God Gundam, Wing Zero, Voltron, Big O, and the MMPR Ultrazord

Hirudegarn (final form) vs Kid Buu

Fat Janemba destroys Mr. Buu with relative ease.

First Form Frieza would likely trash Fat Buu without much trouble. At this point, even in his first form, I see Frieza wielding a battle power comparable to SSJ3 / Kid Buu.

If the Oozaru transformation gives a 10x boost, then Zarbon gets destroyed. Assuming, Zarbon is not able to cut off Vegeta's tail, he'd be done for rather quickly.

Given Kid Buu's insane regeneration ability, Hirudegarn may have a hard time one-shotting him, unless he can generate a blast powerful enough to obliterate him altogether. Regardless, Hirudegarn wins with little to no effort.

Here's two:

Base Goten VS Krillin + Yamcha Potara Fusion [All during the Start of the Buu Arc. No flying or Ki blasts]

Base Goku (25th WMAT) VS Great Ape Trunks (Start of Buu Arc) -- No tail cutting or grabbing. Trunks is solely focused on attacking Goku

Krillin + Yamcha Potara Fusion likely wins this.

Goku wouldn't stand a chance against Oozaru Trunks.

A) I hate Potara matches, I have no clue where to put some fusions sometimes. Giving the same boost I gave Vegetto the fusion demolishes Goten.

B) Goku ceases to exist.

Now some new matches:

Gohan (After Dende heals him; No rage) vs Vegeta (After nap; Against 1st form Freeza)

Kami (Inside Hero) vs Tenshinhan (23rd TB)

Vegeta stomps.

Hard to tell with Kami (Inside Hero) could go either way in my opinion. Perhaps equal?

[Kaboom]

Super Buu vs Janemba (Final Form)
SSJ3 Gotenks vs Janemba (Final Form)

Janemba wins in both scenarios. He has a decent power advantage, for one. I suspect he's probably smart enough to eventually realize that Boo needs to be completely eradicated to be defeated, and based on his fight with Goku, I think he's got the right types of attacks up his sleeves to do it. Gotenks would be a little less disadvantaged in power, but not enough to really make a difference, especially not in the 5-ish minutes he'll have Super Saiyan 3.

GT Goku's Spirit Bomb (the one used against Omega Shenron) - Gauntlet. Each of the fighters listed must take the attack. Who will survive? If it becomes too hard for GT Goku, he gets to transform into SSJ and give the Spirit Bomb another push.

Golden Freeza - FnF
SSG Goku - BoG
SSGSS Goku - FnF
SSGSS Vegeta - FnF
Beerus
Whis

I think I agree with Lord Beerus on this one. If it were any other Spirit Bomb, I'm sure at least Beerus and Whis would be able to repel it, if not everyone else on the list too. But this GT endgame one is just too overpowered.

SSjin GT Goten and Trunks vs Good Boo (if they win Kid Boo)

GT Logic: Everyone in GT is inexplicably 10x stronger at minimum than anyone in DBZ, upwards of 1,000x stronger in Goku's case. But that includes Boo. So Goten and Trunks's power in relation to him hasn't changed since DBZ. So they get whooped.
Normal Logic: Having led relatively normal civilian lives, Goten and Trunks have barely improved at all since they were kids. So they get whooped.

SSJ Goku (Android arc) Vs SSJ Vegeta (Android arc) - Goku doesn't succumb to the Heart Virus and is 100% healthy

Flip a coin, because this one could go either way. Vegeta has a slight edge in power, but not enough that Goku couldn't still prevail.

Abo and Kado vs. Sorbet and Tagoma
Abo and Kado can't fuse into Aka. Who wins?

Gonna agree with supercat on this one. Tagoma is on-par with Zarbon or Dodoria, and Sorbet presumably isn't much different. Avo and Cado are on-par with or superior to some form of Freeza. Barring any power ring shenanigans, Sorbet and Tagoma get their butts kicked with ease.

Piccolo (prior to Freeza and King Cold's arrival on Eart) vs. King Cold
So would Piccolo (a year after the Namek saga and before Trunks shows up) able to take out King Cold? I always thought up in a what if battle in a timeline where Piccolo kills Freeza.

King Cold is touted as only "somewhat inferior" to Freeza, which I would take to mean a power level in the upper tens of millions compared to Freeza's more than 100 million. I don't think Piccolo reached or surpassed that level until his pre-Androids training with Super Saiyan Goku.

Mystic Gohan vs 1st Form Freeza post training
Cell trains and gets a upgrade similar to Freeza's and Goku on Namek. He takes on GT and recent movies. How far?

— I'm going to say Gohan wins. I see Freeza pushing Super Saiyan 3 Goku's level of power in this form, and Ultimate Gohan was quite a bit stronger than that.
— If you mean if Cell got a power increase proportionate to Freeza's from his own "Super Perfect" level of power... then he sweeps through all the characters in the new movies. He was already tens of times stronger than Freeza to begin with. No way to know for GT though.

Goku's Spirit Bomb (used against Kid Buu) - Gauntlet.

Goku starts off as SSJ3, and could give the Spirit Bomb a push with all of his SSJ3 strength. Dodging the attack is not allowed, it must be taken head-on, who survives? Who would be able to send it flying back at Goku? How well can Goku do if he's only SSJ2?

Super Buu (no one absorbed)
2 Kid Buus
Janemba - Final Form
Hirudegarn - Final Form
Buutenks
Buuhan
50 Fat Buus
Rildo - Final Form
Final Form Freeza -FnF (not Golden Freeza)

That Spirit Bomb was meant to be a bit overkill against Pure Boo, but I'm not sure how well it'd work against anyone else. I could see it maybe taking out Janemba, but not Hirudegarn, mainly because he's too big for it to completely envelop. I doubt it would work against anyone stronger than that.

Fat Janemba (my avatar) vs Mr Buu (i.e. split from his evil counterpart)
First form Freeza (F) vs Fat Buu (i.e. with evil counterpart intact) <-- Both managed to one-shot SSJ Gohan.
Oozaru Vegeta (saiyan saga) vs Zarbon (transformed)
Hirudegarn (1st form) vs Burning/God Gundam, Wing Zero, Voltron, Big O, and the MMPR Ultrazord
Hirudegarn (final form) vs Kid Buu

— I see them as similar in power, with Janemba a little stronger — Goku DID directly compare him to "Majin Boo" in regards to using SS3, and paid him a "most amazin' ki" compliment. But I don't think the difference is huge, and I'm not sure ifJanemba has anything in his repertoire that could eradicate Boo entirely to defeat him.
— I'm going to say Freeza. Again, I see him on a Super Saiyan 3 level, and he's smart enough to figure out how Boo needs to be dealt with.
— I say the team of awesome robots wins this one and nobody can tell me otherwise.
— Hirudegarn's strong, but most of his battle effectiveness comes from throwing his massive size around and evading attacks with his vanishing act. I think the only way he could win is to catch Boo in his fire breath and just not let up until nothing was left. The odds of that happening are pretty low, though. But even if Boo's instincts let him figure out Hirudegarn's intangibility, I don't think he quite has the power to finish the job. So it probably ends up as a stalemate.

Baby Vegeta 1st form vs Boohan

Goku said Baby-Vegeta was the strongest person he'd ever felt when he went up to his 2nd form. Given how those lines don't always include the person saying it, I'm going to assume that's when Baby surpassed Boo at his strongest. Which means that this form of Baby is NOT stronger than Gohan-Boo yet, and loses the fight.

Here's two:
Base Goten VS Krillin + Yamcha Potara Fusion [All during the Start of the Buu Arc. No flying or Ki blasts]
Base Goku (25th WMAT) VS Great Ape Trunks (Start of Buu Arc) -- No tail cutting or grabbing. Trunks is solely focused on attacking Goku

— I think Goten will still be somewhat stronger, but Kuririn and Yamcha are so much more skilled and experienced than him that they may be able to pull something off. The odds are still in Goten's favor though.
— Do you mean Kid Trunks? Unless Goku is allowed to use the Kaio-Ken to even the odds, he probably gets beaten pretty badly.

Gohan (After Dende heals him; No rage) vs Vegeta (After nap; Against 1st form Freeza)
Kami (Inside Hero) vs Tenshinhan (23rd TB)

— Vegeta wins, I think. Their power may be similar, but Vegeta's the tougher, more skilled, and more tenacious fighter.
— I'm sure Ten will fare better than Yamcha did, but I don't see him winning.

[LightBing]

Yajirobe(first appearance) vs 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai(How far does he go?)

Perfect Cell(Immediately after his fight with Goku) vs Z-Senshi (Gohan can't go SSJ2, senzus allowed)

[Lord Beerus]

Yajirobe(first appearance) vs 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai(How far does he go?)

Perfect Cell(Immediately after his fight with Goku) vs Z-Senshi (Gohan can't go SSJ2, senzus allowed)

First, welcome to Kanzenshuu, LightBing.

Now, the match ups:
- Without his sword, I honestly don't see Yajirobe making it past the Semi-Finals.
- Perfect Cell crushes all of the Z-Fighters, excluding Gohan, who if he goes all out against, could defeat Cell.

[Angelus]

Ah! Here's a more balanced one then:

Great Ape Future Trunks (Pre-ROSAT Androids Saga) VS Base Goku (25th WMAT) -- No blowing up of moons, tail grabbing/cutting. Future Trunks is solely focused on attacking Goku.

[fadeddreams5]

Yajirobe(first appearance) vs 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai(How far does he go?)

Perfect Cell(Immediately after his fight with Goku) vs Z-Senshi (Gohan can't go SSJ2, senzus allowed)

- It depends who he's matched up with. I think he loses to Goku, Jackie Chun, and Tien. He might upset Yamcha and Krillin though. Now, if this was the 21st Tenakichi Budokai, he might very well make it to finals and even upset the whole tournament.

- Does this include Goku? Cell was still holding back a lot of power, so I think he beats them all at 100% with some effort. It definitely won't be the same sort of beat down you saw from Broly.

Ah! Here's a more balanced one then:

Great Ape Future Trunks (Pre-ROSAT Androids Saga) VS Base Goku (25th WMAT) -- No blowing up of moons, tail grabbing/cutting. Future Trunks is solely focused on attacking Goku.

Trunks wasn't even born with a tail!

But as far as the MU, it's hard to tell because of how difficult it is to gauge base strength after SSJs came into the picture. If we use GT logic, Goku should be able to beat him very easily. If we use BoG logic, Future Trunks probably wins.

[Lord Beerus]

Ah! Here's a more balanced one then:

Great Ape Future Trunks (Post-1st day ROSAT) VS Base Goku (25th WMAT) -- No blowing up of moons, tail grabbing/cutting. Future Trunks is solely focused on attacking Goku.

I'd say that Future Trunks BP by that stage was at least 10,000,000, then throwing in the Oozaru multiplier, and Oozaru Future Trunks defeats Goku. Who while in his base form at that time was strong, but not that strong.

[supercat]

Ah! Here's a more balanced one then:

Great Ape Future Trunks (Pre-ROSAT Androids Saga) VS Base Goku (25th WMAT) -- No blowing up of moons, tail grabbing/cutting. Future Trunks is solely focused on attacking Goku.

I'm going to have to agree with Lord Beerus on Trunks' battle power being at the very least 10,000,000 at that point. With the boost gained from the Oozaru transformation, I could see Trunks taking down Goku with relative ease.

[LightBing]

Yajirobe(first appearance) vs 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai(How far does he go?)

Perfect Cell(Immediately after his fight with Goku) vs Z-Senshi (Gohan can't go SSJ2, senzus allowed)

First, welcome to Kanzenshuu, LightBing.

Now, the match ups:
- Without his sword, I honestly don't see Yajirobe not making past the Semi-Finals.
- Perfect Cell crushes all of the Z-Fighters, excluding Gohan, who if he goes all out against, could defeat Cell.

Thank you.

- Does this include Goku? Cell was still holding back a lot of power, so I think he beats them all at 100% with some effort. It definitely won't be the same sort of beat down you saw from Broly.

Yes, it includes Goku. Cell received moderate damage and lost a chunk of ki, when he restored his body after Goku's warp kamehameha. He would have his hands full with 4(5?) Cell Jr level and above fighters. With at least a round of senzus(can't remember how many) and Cell's arrogance I believe he wouldn't pull it off.

[fadeddreams5]

Yes, it includes Goku. Cell received moderate damage and lost a chunk of ki, when he restored his body after Goku's warp kamehameha. He would have his hands full with 4(5?) Cell Jr level and above fighters. With at least a round of senzus(can't remember how many) and Cell's arrogance I believe he wouldn't pull it off.

It's definitely a tougher match. That said, he can still self-destruct. If he does that, they're fucked whether Goku intervenes or not. xD

[Angelus]

Whoa! I never realized how crucial a great ape transformation would be for Saiyans that have never reached SSJ level.

Let's give this try...

Future Android 17 and 18 VS Great Ape SSJ Future Gohan (with two arms, just multiply his SSJ power level by 10, no GT Golden Great Ape or SSJ4 multiplier/logic)

[supercat]

Yes, it includes Goku. Cell received moderate damage and lost a chunk of ki, when he restored his body after Goku's warp kamehameha. He would have his hands full with 4(5?) Cell Jr level and above fighters. With at least a round of senzus(can't remember how many) and Cell's arrogance I believe he wouldn't pull it off.

Hard to tell, but assuming Cell doesn't reach his Super Perfect state, the Z-Fighters have a really good chance of taking this.

If SSJ Gohan participates, then Cell probably has very little chance of winning at all.

If we take Gohan out of the equation, and assume Cell doesn't reach full power, then I'd say it could go either way. However, I could see the villain having some trouble against the combined efforts of Trunks, Piccolo, and Vegeta. Therefore, even if he manages to push past them, unless he recovers from a Senzu, Goku should be able to take him down.

Whoa! I never realized how crucial a great ape transformation would be for Saiyans that have never reached SSJ level.

Let's give this try...

Future Android 17 and 18 VS Great Ape SSJ Future Gohan (with two arms, just multiply his SSJ power level by 10, no GT Golden Great Ape or SSJ4 multiplier/logic)

Assuming Gohan doesn't lose his tail to the Androids, he should be able to destroy them with relative ease. While both 17 and 18 were stronger than Gohan, I doubt they were 10x stronger than him.

[DBZAOTA482]

Yajirobe(first appearance) vs 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai(How far does he go?)

Perfect Cell(Immediately after his fight with Goku) vs Z-Senshi (Gohan can't go SSJ2, senzus allowed)

-Beats everyone except Goku, Tenshinhan, and maybe Jackie Chun
-obliterates everyone except Gohan and uses full-power to kill him

[supercat]

Meta-Cooler Gauntlet (No destroying the Big Ghetti Star)

How far can 1000 Meta-Coolers go against the following fighters? If 1000 seems a bit too high, how about 100?

Aka (Abo and Cado fusion)
Piccolo (Buu arc)
Shisami
Kaioshin
SSJ Goku (Cell Games)
SSJ Gohan (FnF)
Kibito Kai
Dabura
Mr. Buu
Fat Buu
Base Gotenks (post RoSaT)
SSJ Gotenks (post RoSaT)
Super Buu

[fadeddreams5]

Meta-Cooler Gauntlet (No destroying the Big Ghetti Star)

How far can 1000 Meta-Coolers go against the following fighters? If 1000 seems a bit too high, how about 100?

Aka (Abo and Cado fusion)
Piccolo (Buu arc)
Shisami
Kaioshin
SSJ Goku (Cell Games)
SSJ Gohan (FnF)
Kibito Kai
Dabura
Mr. Buu
Fat Buu
Base Gotenks (post RoSaT)
SSJ Gotenks (post RoSaT)
Super Buu

I have them only beating Shisami, Kaioshin, Piccolo, and SSJ Gohan (FnF). Maybe Kibito Kai since he has no feats. One Meta-Cooler alone is above SSJ level. >.>

[Lord Beerus]

Whoa! I never realized how crucial a great ape transformation would be for Saiyans that have never reached SSJ level.

Let's give this try...

Future Android 17 and 18 VS Great Ape SSJ Future Gohan (with two arms, just multiply his SSJ power level by 10, no GT Golden Great Ape or SSJ4 multiplier/logic)

#17 and #18 still stomp Future Gohan.

Meta-Cooler Gauntlet (No destroying the Big Ghetti Star)

How far can 1000 Meta-Coolers go against the following fighters? If 1000 seems a bit too high, how about 100?

Aka (Abo and Cado fusion)
Piccolo (Buu arc)
Shisami
Kaioshin
SSJ Goku (Cell Games)
SSJ Gohan (FnF)
Kibito Kai
Dabura
Mr. Buu
Fat Buu
Base Gotenks (post RoSaT)
SSJ Gotenks (post RoSaT)
Super Buu

The Metal Coolers don't make it past Aka. The Metal Cooler are seriously weaksauce if they go up against any top tier fighters from the Cell arc and beyond.

[supercat]

Meta-Cooler Gauntlet (No destroying the Big Ghetti Star)

How far can 1000 Meta-Coolers go against the following fighters? If 1000 seems a bit too high, how about 100?

Aka (Abo and Cado fusion)
Piccolo (Buu arc)
Shisami
Kaioshin
SSJ Goku (Cell Games)
SSJ Gohan (FnF)
Kibito Kai
Dabura
Mr. Buu
Fat Buu
Base Gotenks (post RoSaT)
SSJ Gotenks (post RoSaT)
Super Buu

I have them only beating Shisami, Kaioshin, Piccolo, and SSJ Gohan (FnF). Maybe Kibito Kai since he has no feats. One Meta-Cooler alone is above SSJ level. >.>

Assuming Piccolo is Cell Jr. tier at this point, and if one Meta-Cooler is only a bit above SSJ, wouldn't Piccolo be able to either one-shot each Meta-Cooler with minimum effort, or generate a ki blast large enough to wipe out hundreds of them at once?

[LightBing]

Meta-Cooler Gauntlet (No destroying the Big Ghetti Star)

How far can 1000 Meta-Coolers go against the following fighters? If 1000 seems a bit too high, how about 100?

Aka (Abo and Cado fusion)
Piccolo (Buu arc)
Shisami
Kaioshin
SSJ Goku (Cell Games)
SSJ Gohan (FnF)
Kibito Kai
Dabura
Mr. Buu
Fat Buu
Base Gotenks (post RoSaT)
SSJ Gotenks (post RoSaT)
Super Buu

Having not seen FnF, they could defeat: Aka, Piccolo, Kaioshin. One thousand, together with their regenerative skills should be enough to overcome their power deficit. From what I've read of FnF, the "new power balance" could give them a chance against all SSJ1 tier fighters because stamina matters much more.

New fights:
Piccolo(beginning of DBZ) vs Goku(beginning of DBZ)

Piccolo(beginning of DBZ) vs Krilin, Tien, Yamcha, Chaozu, Muten Roshi(beginning of DBZ) - Mafuba prohibited

[fadeddreams5]

Meta-Cooler Gauntlet (No destroying the Big Ghetti Star)

How far can 1000 Meta-Coolers go against the following fighters? If 1000 seems a bit too high, how about 100?

Aka (Abo and Cado fusion)
Piccolo (Buu arc)
Shisami
Kaioshin
SSJ Goku (Cell Games)
SSJ Gohan (FnF)
Kibito Kai
Dabura
Mr. Buu
Fat Buu
Base Gotenks (post RoSaT)
SSJ Gotenks (post RoSaT)
Super Buu

I have them only beating Shisami, Kaioshin, Piccolo, and SSJ Gohan (FnF). Maybe Kibito Kai since he has no feats. One Meta-Cooler alone is above SSJ level. >.>

Assuming Piccolo is Cell Jr. tier at this point, and if one Meta-Cooler is only a bit above SSJ, wouldn't Piccolo be able to either one-shot each Meta-Cooler with minimum effort, or generate a ki blast large enough to wipe out hundreds of them at once?

I guess so. But seeing him have trouble with Shisami leads me to believe he isn't even Cell Jr. tier.

Now if this was GT Piccolo, he'd wreck them all. xD