What made GT so bad ?

TheGmGoken · Post by **TheGmGoken** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 8:51 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:I didn't know it was an issue that a SON looks like his FATHER. .
Gohan and Trunks aren't near identical clones of their fathers.

Just lazy, imo.

Trunks looks like Bulma. His mother. And Trunks has Vegeta's face. The rest is 100% Bulma. Even the Haircut. He goes long and short like Bulma. Gohan definitely is Goku with Chi Chi/Human hair growth. You can argue Gohan design came from Yamcha as well.

They could be twinstwins if you adjust hair.

Gotens goal was that he was Goku 2.0. Like you never seen a Son look 100% like his dad?

NeoKING · Post by **NeoKING** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 9:02 pm

Honestly, it seemed like they tried to give Goten something of a Dragon Ball-version of a high-top fade. I mean, it was the 90's. This is a lot more obvious in his SSJ form.

Basaku · Post by **Basaku** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 12:06 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:I didn't know it was an issue that a SON looks like his FATHER.

Because this is animation/manga and readers need to be able to instantly tell the characters apart and the characters need to be as distinct as possible, especially related ones. We're talking Toriyama's style of using exactly. the. same. face. on majority of the characters. Giving them similar haircuts is the worst thing that can be done in such case.

DBZAOTA482 · Post by **DBZAOTA482** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 1:06 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:
fadeddreams5 wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:I didn't know it was an issue that a SON looks like his FATHER. .
Gohan and Trunks aren't near identical clones of their fathers.

Just lazy, imo.
Trunks looks like Bulma. His mother. And Trunks has Vegeta's face. The rest is 100% Bulma. Even the Haircut. He goes long and short like Bulma. Gohan definitely is Goku with Chi Chi/Human hair growth. You can argue Gohan design came from Yamcha as well.

They could be twinstwins if you adjust hair.

Gotens goal was that he was Goku 2.0. Like you never seen a Son look 100% like his dad?

If you also give Gohan a tan there'd be a resemblance.

ABED · Post by **ABED** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 4:21 pm

Basaku wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:I didn't know it was an issue that a SON looks like his FATHER.
Because this is animation/manga and readers need to be able to instantly tell the characters apart and the characters need to be as distinct as possible, especially related ones. We're talking Toriyama's style of using exactly. the. same. face. on majority of the characters. Giving them similar haircuts is the worst thing that can be done in such case.

You are really overthinking this, Goten is easily recognizable and distinct from Gohan, from his manner of dress and personality.

Basaku · Post by **Basaku** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 5:20 pm

ABED wrote:You are really overthinking this, Goten is easily recognizable and distinct from Gohan, from his manner of dress and personality.

There's nothing to overthink. If you're drawing 90% of your character with the same face, then you should give them different hair, scars, glasses and whatever to make them look distinct, and outfits don't count unless you plan to keep them in the same outfit forever. Toriyama is well aware of that, as evidenced in EOZ character page with notes on Goten, so why are we pretending Vegeta/Gohan/Goten having near idential hairstyle in GT is suddenly great?

TheGmGoken · Post by **TheGmGoken** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 5:37 pm

Basaku wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:I didn't know it was an issue that a SON looks like his FATHER.
Because this is animation/manga and readers need to be able to instantly tell the characters apart and the characters need to be as distinct as possible, especially related ones. We're talking Toriyama's style of using exactly. the. same. face. on majority of the characters. Giving them similar haircuts is the worst thing that can be done in such case.

Kamina and Simon look alike in TTGL yet they're not related. Goku looks like Bardock. Goten is Goku's son. His character was originally a Goku 2.0 withwith how Goku would be with a normal life. Of course he's going to look like his FATHER .

Basaku · Post by **Basaku** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 5:51 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:
Kamina and Simon look alike in TTGL yet they're not related. Goku looks like Bardock. Goten is Goku's son. His character was originally a Goku 2.0 withwith how Goku would be with a normal life. Of course he's going to look like his FATHER .

How is this is suppoused to be a good argument for lazy designs? Not to mention, Bardock got a scar to make him stand apart from Goku and Goten having the same hair as Goku is a different case when the 2 characters have completly different body proportions. Goten is a kid in DBZ, Goku is an adult. Can't really continue the same copy+paste when they're both adult-proportioned, along with the third family member Gohan with the same proportions, face, no scar etc.

TheGmGoken · Post by **TheGmGoken** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 6:00 pm

Basaku wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:
Kamina and Simon look alike in TTGL yet they're not related. Goku looks like Bardock. Goten is Goku's son. His character was originally a Goku 2.0 withwith how Goku would be with a normal life. Of course he's going to look like his FATHER .
How is this is suppoused to be a good argument for lazy designs? Not to mention, Bardock got a scar to make him stand apart from Goku and Goten having the same hair as Goku is a different case when the 2 characters have completly different body proportions. Goten is a kid in DBZ, Goku is an adult. Can't really continue the same copy+paste when they're both adult-proportioned, along with the third family member Gohan with the same proportions, face, no scar etc.

In which Goten designed changed when he got older. What's the issue? Gt? His hair look different from everyone else's in GT. SLATED and a unique SSJ hair.

Basaku · Post by **Basaku** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 6:15 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:
In which Goten designed changed when he got older. What's the issue? Gt? His hair look different from everyone else's in GT. SLATED and a unique SSJ hair.

Yes, GT is my issue, this thread is about it. And SSJ hair look even worse, coupled with bad-animation days Goten & Gohan look the same in SSJ mode in half of the shots. And then Vegeta has very similar hair again. Just so boring...

ABED · Post by **ABED** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:03 pm

There's nothing to overthink. If you're drawing 90% of your character with the same face, then you should give them different hair, scars, glasses and whatever to make them look distinct, and outfits don't count unless you plan to keep them in the same outfit forever. Toriyama is well aware of that, as evidenced in EOZ character page with notes on Goten, so why are we pretending Vegeta/Gohan/Goten having near idential hairstyle in GT is suddenly great?

You are overthinking this because I have not seen anyone be confused about who's who. You simply use this "rule" to justify bashing GT. Did you find them to be confusing or are you simply projecting? When I brought up the outfit, I wasn't talking about those specific outfits, I mean that their manner of dressing are different. Gohan is more scholarly. Goten dresses like a casual youngster.

Goten's body proportions aren't the exact same as Gohan.

TheGmGoken · Post by **TheGmGoken** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:19 pm

Basaku wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:
In which Goten designed changed when he got older. What's the issue? Gt? His hair look different from everyone else's in GT. SLATED and a unique SSJ hair.
Yes, GT is my issue, this thread is about it. And SSJ hair look even worse, coupled with bad-animation days Goten & Gohan look the same in SSJ mode in half of the shots. And then Vegeta has very similar hair again. Just so boring...

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Gohan entire hair stands up. Gotens do not.

fadeddreams5 · Post by **fadeddreams5** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:31 pm

Wow. I couldn't tell them apart until I read Gohan's hair stands up. lol

TheGmGoken · Post by **TheGmGoken** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:49 pm

[quote="fadeddreams5"]Wow. I couldn't tell them apart until I read Gohan's hair stands up. lol[/quote]
The hair doesn't even look alike in SSJ MODE. Being real nit picky. Not even in base.

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SSJ2FutureGohan · Post by **SSJ2FutureGohan** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:01 pm

The difference between Gohan and Goten is easier to see when the latter isn't under Baby's influence, as he has rounded eyes, while Gohan has the sharp eyes.

Basaku · Post by **Basaku** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:21 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:
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I think it's pretty obvious which designs for the cast make each more distinct and are less boring.

fadeddreams5 · Post by **fadeddreams5** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:40 pm

lol @ above images.

TheGmGoken wrote:
fadeddreams5 wrote:Wow. I couldn't tell them apart until I read Gohan's hair stands up. lol
The hair doesn't even look alike in SSJ MODE. Being real nit picky. Not even in base.

I'm not being nit picky. lol. I really couldn't tell them apart for a second.

ABED · Post by **ABED** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:42 pm

I think it's pretty obvious which designs for the cast make each more distinct and are less boring.

You can still easily tell them apart.

Saiga · Post by **Saiga** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:55 pm

The only problem is Gohan and Vegeta, and most of the time you can still tell them apart... but they're definitely more similar than I'd like, and sometimes they're almost indistinguishable. But then, Gohan's EoZ hair is already bad, should have kept the bang from the Boo arc. I prefer Vegeta's Z hairstyle over his GT one, but that's not a big deal to me as GT still looks good.

GT Goten looks leagues better and easily stands out the most of the three in GT. Never confused him with one of the others.

supercat · Post by **supercat** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 12:42 am

I personally liked the new designs for Vegeta, Gohan, and even Goten. I thought they fit each character appropriately.

Vegeta's clean cut attire with the absence of his armor seems to help signify how he's managed to settle down, while his overall appearance still portrays him as the proud and relentless warrior he'll always be. These traits seem pretty evident during his last stand against Super 17.

As for Gohan, his new look seems to help him embody the sophisticated path that he's chosen. On the contrary, his hair and facial appearance still help him retain the physical attributes of the noble hero he once was.

Not much to say about Goten here... A young person with a lack of interest in fighting, but exceptionally interested in going on dates?

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