The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[fadeddreams5]

Paikuhan didn't exactly display strategic prowess when he gave in to his desire to use his signature move an already beaten down opponent, who he likely could have taken down with a more practical approach. With that said, he probably is smarter than Freeza when it comes to incorporating the right tactics.

Goku vs Piccolo (equal power, unlimited stamina for both) - we have two fighting geniuses, both equipped with the adept ability to manipulate their opponent's weaknesses through either their unrivaled observation skills, or by leveraging their opportunistic tendencies and exploiting every possible chance for securing victory.

To be fair, Pikkon probably completely forgot about Goku's IT. Also, it was a tournament match, not a fight to the death. Pikkon would have won either way, imo. =P

Well, Goku vs Piccolo already happened in Dragon Ball. I'm sure they were fairly even. Goku won. =D

[supercat]

Paikuhan didn't exactly display strategic prowess when he gave in to his desire to use his signature move an already beaten down opponent, who he likely could have taken down with a more practical approach. With that said, he probably is smarter than Freeza when it comes to incorporating the right tactics.

Goku vs Piccolo (equal power, unlimited stamina for both) - we have two fighting geniuses, both equipped with the adept ability to manipulate their opponent's weaknesses through either their unrivaled observation skills, or by leveraging their opportunistic tendencies and exploiting every possible chance for securing victory.

To be fair, Paikuhan probably completely forgot about Goku's IT. Also, it was a tournament match, not a fight to the death. Paikuhan would have won either way, imo. =P

Well, Goku vs Piccolo already happened in Dragon Ball. I'm sure they were fairly even. Goku won. =D

Yes, I guess the strength negligible strength difference between the two wasn't much of a variable in determining the outcome. With that said, I could somehow see Goku pulling off a win even if they were completely on par with each other in every aspect.

GT Piccolo vs HF #17 - rematch with the clone!
While Piccolo likely trashed all of the villains down in hell with the utmost ease, how easily do you think he would be able to put this android in his place?

[LightBing]

Regarding Piccolo vs Goku.
At the 23rd Tenkaich Goku did won the tournament fight(altought Kami intervened and Goku should've lost) , but if it were till the death, it would be a tie. Goku hold out of firing his Super Kamehameha but fired it later anyway because he thought it was possible to revive Kami with the dragon balls. So he went all out.

I believe I said Piccolo would've won 6 out of 10 times at a prior versus. If it is current Goku and Piccolo at the same power, I now give an edge to Goku 6 out of 10 times, various masters, fight's, learned techniques give the Goku the experience to even out the Namekian.

[supercat]

Regarding Piccolo vs Goku.
At the 23rd Tenkaich Goku did won the tournament fight(altought Kami intervened and Goku should've lost) , but if it were till the death, it would be a tie. Goku hold out of firing his Super Kamehameha but fired it later anyway because he thought it was possible to revive Kami with the dragon balls. So he went all out.

I believe I said Piccolo would've won 6 out of 10 times at a prior versus. If it is current Goku and Piccolo at the same power, I now give an edge to Goku 6 out of 10 times, various masters, fight's, learned techniques give the Goku the experience to even out the Namekian.

Agreed. The level of combat experience Goku was exposed to from fighting all those crazy beings, namely Buu and Beerus, probably enhanced his overall mentality and keen sense on how to react to certain situations.

Piccolo vs Beerus (equal power)
Piccolo vs Whis (equal power)

Kid Buu vs Beerus (equal power)
Kid Buu vs Whis (equal power)

Buuhan vs Beerus (equal power)
Buuhan vs Whis (equal power)

Goku vs Beerus (equal power)
Goku vs Whis (equal power)

Same rules apply: Unlimited stamina for both sides and no special abilities.

[Sora Saiyan]

Piccolo vs Beerus (equal power)
Piccolo vs Whis (equal power)

Kid Buu vs Beerus (equal power)
Kid Buu vs Whis (equal power)

Buuhan vs Beerus (equal power)
Buuhan vs Whis (equal power)

Goku vs Beerus (equal power)
Goku vs Whis (equal power)

Same rules apply: Unlimited stamina for both sides and no special abilities.

Beerus would probably win all these thanks to Whis being his master, but there's a good chance he could lose to Boo.

Whis, thanks to his ability to fight without thinking will win these IMO, and his time rewind pushes him above and beyond.

[supercat]

Assuming the battle power of SSG and SSGSS depends on the user's base power, how would the following hypothetical battles potentially turn out?

SSG Goku (Frieza arc) vs Kid Buu
SSGSS Goku (Frieza arc) vs Kid Buu

SSG Goku (Frieza arc) vs Buuhan
SSGSS Goku (Frieza arc) vs Buuhan

SSG Vegeta (Frieza arc) vs Kid Buu
SSGSS Vegeta (Frieza arc) vs Kid Buu

SSG Vegeta (Frieza arc) vs Buuhan
SSGSS Vegeta (Frieza arc) vs Buuhan

[Lord Beerus]

Assuming the battle power of SSG and SSGSS depends on the user's base power, how would the following hypothetical battles potentially turn out?

SSG Goku (Freeza arc) vs Kid Buu
SSGSS Goku (Freeza arc) vs Kid Buu

SSG Goku (Freeza arc) vs Buuhan
SSGSS Goku (Freeza arc) vs Buuhan

SSG Vegeta (Freeza arc) vs Kid Buu
SSGSS Vegeta (Freeza arc) vs Kid Buu

SSG Vegeta (Freeza arc) vs Buuhan
SSGSS Vegeta (Freeza arc) vs Buuhan

SSJG/SSJGSSJ Goku and Vegeta still roflstomp in every match up. Goku went from a power in his base form that's supposedly not strong enough to defeat Freeza to within the same league as Beerus through one SSJG ritual. That is an insane jump in power, that even with the Goku and Vegeta retrospective powers in their base form at that time, would put them leagues ahead of Kid Boo or Boohan.

[Chou_Gohan]

Pan vs. Kid Gohan (Android saga)

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Pan vs. Kid Gohan (Android saga)

I'd say Pan wins easily. She's the daughter of the character with the most potential in the series, she's expected to go far in a tournament where over half of the competitors are Z-fighters (and Mr. Satan can't be touched until the last round), she had flight aura, and I'd find it unjust for her to be the only character to break the generation rule.

[supercat]

Pan vs. Kid Gohan (Android saga)

I'm assuming you're referring to Pan (EoZ). If so, Kid Gohan (Android arc) comes out victorious.

More hypothetical battles:

Pui Pui - Gauntlet

Appule
Cui
Dodoria
Zarbon (normal and transformed)
Guldo (no time freeze)
Recoome
Burter
Jeice
Captain Ginyu (no body swapping)
First Form Frieza (before training)
Second Form Frieza (before training)
Third Form Frieza (before training)
Final Form Frieza (before training)
Final Form Frieza 50% (before training)
Final Form Frieza 100% (before training)

[Doctor.]

How is Piccolo a fighting genius? He's a complete idiot tactically and his fight with Goku in the 23rd TB proves this.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Pui Pui - Gauntlet

[insert gauntlet]

I have Pocus slaughtering everyone here.

I go by Pocus >/>~ Kaioshit >>>> Freeza >>> everyone else on this list

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How is Piccolo a fighting genius? He's a complete idiot tactically and his fight with Goku in the 23rd TB proves this.

Okay, well maybe the term genius was bit of an overstatement, especially towards the context of fighting. With that said, I still find that he possesses a general sense of wisdom, which is why Buu felt that the Namekian would be a worthy addition to his collection of absorbed fighters.

Gero and his computer also probably assumed Cell would have some amazing traits to inherit from Piccolo, other than regeneration.

With the exclusion of Goku, and possibly Vegeta, I could see the Namekian being able to take down the majority of the other Z-Fighters at equal power.

I have Pocus slaughtering everyone here.

I go by Pocus >/>~ Kaioshit >>>> Freeza >>> everyone else on this list

Well Kaioshin > Frieza has already been stated, but other than Kaioshin expressing high levels of concern on Babidi's ship, what indication do we have that Pui Pui is above Frieza, let alone Kaioshin?

Base Vegeta (who is still likely weaker than Frieza based on what was said by Beerus) completely trashed Pui Pui.

I've always interpreted Kaioshin's display of caution as him trying to ensure Buu's revival would not be successful. He's clearly the only one there that understands the mayhem that could follow the monster's revival. Therefore, being careful about the overall situation could always be attributed towards his desires to prevent his worst fears from coming true.

Prior to the events of BoG, I used to think Buu arc Base Saiyans > Frieza. However, BoG implies that the Base Saiyans haven't come as far as some fans have originally thought for the longest time.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Well Kaioshin > Freeza has already been stated, but other than Kaioshin expressing high levels of concern on Babidi's ship, what indication do we have that Pui Pui is above Freeza, let alone Kaioshin?

Base Vegeta (who is still likely weaker than Freeza based on what was said by Beerus) completely trashed Pui Pui.

I've always interpreted Kaioshin's display of caution as him trying to ensure Buu's revival would not be successful. He's clearly the only one there that understands the mayhem that could follow the monster's revival. Therefore, being careful about the overall situation could always be attributed towards his desires to prevent his worst fears from coming true.

Prior to the events of BoG, I used to think Buu arc Base Saiyans > Freeza. However, BoG implies that the Base Saiyans haven't come as far as some fans have originally thought for the longest time.

I don't interpret it like that. Pocus doesn't have to be above Kaioshin, but I do have a rather hard time placing the latter above Yakon, who's probably around Base Goku.

[Doctor.]

Okay, well maybe the term genius was bit of an overstatement, especially towards the context of fighting. With that said, I still find that he possesses a general sense of wisdom, which is why Buu felt that the Namekian would be a worthy addition to his collection of absorbed fighters.

Gero and his computer also probably assumed Cell would have some amazing traits to inherit from Piccolo, other than regeneration.

With the exclusion of Goku, and possibly Vegeta, I could see the Namekian being able to take down the majority of the other Z-Fighters at equal power.

He has become much smarter ever since the 23rd TB, especially after he fused with God, and he has a unique talent of training people and developing interesting techniques, but that's about it. I always find the fanbase to overrated Piccolo's intellect too much, the one major fight he had, he was outsmarted completely at every turn and even if he did get smarter after that, one of the few occasions where he outsmarts someone in battle (Cell revealing himself), it was due to the opponent's stupidity and/or bad writing.

I reckon Kuririn is a much more intelligent and pragmatic fighter than Piccolo is, and he'd be able to beat him at equal power. Roshi too, probably. Being good tactically and having a lot of experience are the human's best traits.

[supercat]

Well Kaioshin > Freeza has already been stated, but other than Kaioshin expressing high levels of concern on Babidi's ship, what indication do we have that Pui Pui is above Freeza, let alone Kaioshin?

Base Vegeta (who is still likely weaker than Freeza based on what was said by Beerus) completely trashed Pui Pui.

I've always interpreted Kaioshin's display of caution as him trying to ensure Buu's revival would not be successful. He's clearly the only one there that understands the mayhem that could follow the monster's revival. Therefore, being careful about the overall situation could always be attributed towards his desires to prevent his worst fears from coming true.

Prior to the events of BoG, I used to think Buu arc Base Saiyans > Freeza. However, BoG implies that the Base Saiyans haven't come as far as some fans have originally thought for the longest time.

I don't interpret it like that. Pocus doesn't have to be above Kaioshin, but I do have a rather hard time placing the latter above Yakon, who's probably around Base Goku.

Yakon seemed somewhat on par with Base Goku, but had it not been for the darkness, Goku would have trashed the monster without having to transform. With that being said, since Base Goku is still likely below Frieza, he would also have to be below Kaioshin.

Personally, I don't think Kaioshin is as weak as some people believe. While he's definitely below Dabura, he's likely miles above Pui Pui and Yakon. Considering what he was capable of doing to Frieza at the time, had Kaioshin decided to gather the courage to properly display his power, the two lackeys would likely have been one-shotted. Also, it seemed pretty clear that Kaioshin was above Piccolo, who at that point was definitely above the Base Saiyans.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Yakon seemed somewhat on par with Base Goku, but had it not been for the darkness, Goku would have trashed the monster without having to transform. With that being said, since Base Goku is still likely below Freeza, he would also have to be below Kaioshin.

Personally, I don't think Kaioshin is as weak as some people believe. While he's definitely below Dabura, he's likely miles above Pui Pui and Yakon. Considering what he was capable of doing to Freeza at the time, had Kaioshin decided to gather the courage to properly display his power, the two lackeys would likely have been one-shotted. Also, it seemed pretty clear that Kaioshin was above Piccolo, who at that point was definitely above the Base Saiyans.

Then Kaioshin, being vastly superior, should've one-shotted Yakon if he were so much stronger than him, no? He was willing to fight Yakon alongside the Saiyans.

Also, if Kaioshin is so superior to Yakon, why can't he be superior to Dabra? His relationship with Dabra seems identical to that of Yakon... rumors... speculation... word-of-mouth. So any argument used to raise him above Yakon level should also be applicable to Dabra level, no?

[DBZAOTA482]

Pan vs. Kid Gohan (Android saga)

Pan bitches about her dad being a kid which annoys Gohan to the point where he strangles her.

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Yakon seemed somewhat on par with Base Goku, but had it not been for the darkness, Goku would have trashed the monster without having to transform. With that being said, since Base Goku is still likely below Freeza, he would also have to be below Kaioshin.

Personally, I don't think Kaioshin is as weak as some people believe. While he's definitely below Dabura, he's likely miles above Pui Pui and Yakon. Considering what he was capable of doing to Freeza at the time, had Kaioshin decided to gather the courage to properly display his power, the two lackeys would likely have been one-shotted. Also, it seemed pretty clear that Kaioshin was above Piccolo, who at that point was definitely above the Base Saiyans.

Then Kaioshin, being vastly superior, should've one-shotted Yakon if he were so much stronger than him, no? He was willing to fight Yakon alongside the Saiyans.

Also, if Kaioshin is so superior to Yakon, why can't he be superior to Dabra? His relationship with Dabra seems identical to that of Yakon... rumors... speculation... word-of-mouth. So any argument used to raise him above Yakon level should also be applicable to Dabra level, no?

Again, we're beginning to compare his display of caution to power and/or capabilities. Kaioshin seemed like he was suffering from some serious residual trauma. I mean, who wouldn't if they were in his position. His brethren and mentor were all either slaughtered or consumed by some evil menace with seemingly unparalleled power. In addition, he also took a beating far greater than someone of his status could possibly ever conceive of. After all of that, it doesn't surprise me that the guy is cautious and careful about every move that pertains to either potentially having to relive through that horror again, or having the chance to finally put it all to rest once and for all.

He also seemed to be under the impression that Babidi's recruits were all top tiered fighters. However, his perception on the matter could be skewed and distorted from again, the traumatizing experience with Buu. Considering the rather unfortunate string of events that took place in his life, it would be no surprise if he's lost confidence against any being that has anything to do with Babidi.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Again, we're beginning to compare his display of caution to power and/or capabilities. Kaioshin seemed like he was suffering from some serious residual trauma. I mean, who wouldn't if they were in his position. His brethren and mentor were all either slaughtered or consumed by some evil menace with seemingly unparalleled power.

But not stepping in and one-shotting Yakon isn't 'cautious'. It's the opposite actually. Cautious would be taking Yakon out instead of standing around like an idiot doing nothing.

We can't say Kaioshin had no will to fight, since we says he wants to team up with the Saiyans and fight Yakon.

Kaioshin can sense Ki, and he sees Goku is capable of lasting against Yakon. So if Kaioshin knows he's >>>> Base Goku, he should know he's much stronger than Yakon, yet he doesn't step in and end the fight.

In addition, he also took a beating far greater than someone of his status could possibly ever conceive of. After all of that, it doesn't surprise me that the guy is cautious and careful about every move that pertains to either potentially having to relive through that horror again, or having the chance to finally put it all to rest once and for all.

I'm assuming you're referring to him lasting against Fat Buu? Or Pure Buu?

If it's the former, Fat Buu was toying around (similar to the Cell kids toying with the humans), this is evident when Babidi yells at Boo: "Enough! You can finish the Lord of Lords now..."

If it's the latter, Kaioshin surviving Pure Buu is not conclusive. Good Buu, Vegeta, and even Mr. Satan all survived Pure Buu, despite being much weaker.