The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Lord Beerus]

Pan vs. Kid Gohan (Android saga)

Kid Gohan: "I need you to get me angry"
Pan: "Why?"
Kid Gohan: "So I can use a rage boost."
Pan: "What's a 'rage boost'?"
Kid Gohan: "Oh, you'll know..."

Seriously though, Pan would kick Gohan's ass so bad.

[supercat]

Again, we're beginning to compare his display of caution to power and/or capabilities. Kaioshin seemed like he was suffering from some serious residual trauma. I mean, who wouldn't if they were in his position. His brethren and mentor were all either slaughtered or consumed by some evil menace with seemingly unparalleled power.

But not stepping in and one-shotting Yakon isn't 'cautious'. It's the opposite actually. Cautious would be taking Yakon out instead of standing around like an idiot doing nothing.

We can't say Kaioshin had no will to fight, since we says he wants to team up with the Saiyans and fight Yakon.

Kaioshin can sense Ki, and he sees Goku is capable of lasting against Yakon. So if Kaioshin knows he's >>>> Base Goku, he should know he's much stronger than Yakon, yet he doesn't step in and end the fight.

In addition, he also took a beating far greater than someone of his status could possibly ever conceive of. After all of that, it doesn't surprise me that the guy is cautious and careful about every move that pertains to either potentially having to relive through that horror again, or having the chance to finally put it all to rest once and for all.

I'm assuming you're referring to him lasting against Fat Buu? Or Pure Buu?

If it's the former, Fat Buu was toying around (similar to the Cell kids toying with the humans), this is evident when Babidi yells at Boo: "Enough! You can finish the Lord of Lords now..."

If it's the latter, Kaioshin surviving Pure Buu is not conclusive. Good Buu, Vegeta, and even Mr. Satan all survived Pure Buu, despite being much weaker.

I don't think Kaioshin choosing to opt out of the fights with those weak lackeys should be attributed towards how powerful he is. As mentioned before, I feel his lack of confidence has a larger correlation with him just exercising caution in the presence of anyone that has any affiliation with Babidi. From all the tragedy that was brought forth by Bibidi, it seems reasonable that he would overestimate the wizards' capabilities (including the potential to enslave formidable opponents), don't you think?

Also, I wasn't referencing his beat downs against any of the Buus for the sake of depicting his durability, but rather to further emphasize my point as to why he would be scared of anything that is Majin related.

[Lord Beerus]

More hypothetical battles:

Pui Pui - Gauntlet

Appule
Cui
Dodoria
Zarbon (normal and transformed)
Guldo (no time freeze)
Recoome
Burter
Jeice
Captain Ginyu (no body swapping)
First Form Freeza (before training)
Second Form Freeza (before training)
Third Form Freeza (before training)
Final Form Freeza (before training)
Final Form Freeza 50% (before training)
Final Form Freeza 100% (before training)

Pui Pui hits a brick wall against Final Form Freeza 50%

[supercat]

Frieza after one month of training - Gauntlet

Mr. Buu
Evil Buu
Majin Vegeta
Majin Buu (against Majin Vegeta)
Kid Buu
SSJ3 Goku
Super Buu
SSJ3 Gotenks
Ultimate Gohan
Buutenks
Buuhan

[fadeddreams5]

Freeza after one month of training - Gauntlet

Mr. Buu
Evil Buu
Majin Vegeta
Majin Buu (against Majin Vegeta)
Kid Buu
SSJ3 Goku
Super Buu
SSJ3 Gotenks
Ultimate Gohan
Buutenks
Buuhan

I assume you mean Frieza's final form. In my head canon, his gains go like this:
Default = SSJ- level
After a month of training = SSJ2 level
After two months = SSJ3 level
After three months = Ultimate Gohan level
After four months = Super Vegito+ level; Golden form achieved

Based on that, he loses to everyone there except maybe Majin Vegeta.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

I don't think Kaioshin choosing to opt out of the fights with those weak lackeys should be attributed towards how powerful he is.

He didn't choose to opt out of the fights. He wanted to fight against Yakon, just as a team.

As mentioned before, I feel his lack of confidence has a larger correlation with him just exercising caution in the presence of anyone that has any affiliation with Babidi. From all the tragedy that was brought forth by Bibidi, it seems reasonable that he would overestimate the wizards' capabilities (including the potential to enslave formidable opponents), don't you think?

Standing around doing nothing is not cautious. Cautious is stepping in and ending the fight with Yakon himself before Goku loses any energy.

[Lord Beerus]

Freeza after one month of training - Gauntlet

Mr. Buu
Evil Buu
Majin Vegeta
Majin Buu (against Majin Vegeta)
Kid Buu
SSJ3 Goku
Super Buu
SSJ3 Gotenks
Ultimate Gohan
Buutenks
Buuhan

Hmm. I think Freeza would reach all the way to Kid Buu before getting his ass kicked.

[singsing]

A unified human race with 1 year of prep time try to kill Beerus. Could biological warfare and the like get it done?

[supercat]

I don't think Kaioshin choosing to opt out of the fights with those weak lackeys should be attributed towards how powerful he is.

He didn't choose to opt out of the fights. He wanted to fight against Yakon, just as a team.

As mentioned before, I feel his lack of confidence has a larger correlation with him just exercising caution in the presence of anyone that has any affiliation with Babidi. From all the tragedy that was brought forth by Bibidi, it seems reasonable that he would overestimate the wizards' capabilities (including the potential to enslave formidable opponents), don't you think?

Standing around doing nothing is not cautious. Cautious is stepping in and ending the fight with Yakon himself before Goku loses any energy.

I guess the definition of being cautious could be viewed rather subjectively here. As I've stated before, it wouldn't surprise me if Kaioshin was simply overestimating anyone or anything that happened to be associated with Babidi and Bibidi. He's already been overwhelmed by the mayhem unleashed by the latter in the past, so it doesn't sound too unreasonable for him to have his guard up at all times. Additionally, he's expressed similar concerns with Pui Pui, who is implied to be worlds below Frieza. Therefore, his sense of judgement seemed to be based more on the negative outcome that could potentially surface from being careless, rather than the actual power he felt from the lackeys. I mean, does it make sense for him to be afraid of a fighter who is far weaker than the guy he could one-shot?

I can't imagine how anyone with the same experience as Kaioshin would even have the drive to be confident against enemies who have the ability to replicate a similar chain of devastating events that he's once been forced to endure.

To give you an analogy, if a person has had an awful experience with a particular animal in the past, doesn't it seem plausible for them to proceed with caution every time they see that same species, whether it's big or small? Same thing is theoretically applicable here. Because Kaioshin has once felt the terrifying power of Bibidi / Buu in the past, he chooses to exercise caution even against the weaker henchmen; his goal is to go above and beyond to avoid having to relive the onslaught of horrors again.

I'd also like to point out that he seemed exceptionally confident prior to the events of encountering Babidi's team of Majins. If he was really that weak, it would seem more likely for him to showcase a consistent portrayal of fear and doubt all throughout his appearance. Probably an indication that he deeply fears, or at the least feels discomfort around all those who are Majin related, regardless of their power.

A unified human race with 1 year of prep time try to kill Beerus. Could biological warfare and the like get it done?

Does this include scientific geniuses like Gero and Dr. Brief?

Regardless, I don't think they could quite accomplish the feat of taking down an incredible force like Beerus.

[Berserker1921]

Freeza after one month of training - Gauntlet

Mr. Buu
Evil Buu
Majin Vegeta
Majin Buu (against Majin Vegeta)
Kid Buu
SSJ3 Goku
Super Buu
SSJ3 Gotenks
Ultimate Gohan
Buutenks
Buuhan

I think after one month of training he would be as strong as Buuhan in his final form. I mean from what I saw in the clips of Revival of F. Frieza in his basic form made gohan and the gang scared shitless. Yes gohan was much weaker. But I don't think he would have become as weak as you think. Even turning super Saiyan he would be as strong as his super Saiyan 2 form against cell. Of course this is an over estimate. But I give him the benifet of the doubt. So basically at Frieza first form after four months of training. He was almost ssj3 level. In his final form I imagine him as strong or slightly stronger then ssj2 vegito.

So I think even after one month of training in his final form he would be equal to Buuhan.

[Berserker1921]

A unified human race with 1 year of prep time try to kill Beerus. Could biological warfare and the like get it done?

Listen Dr Geros robot had survived and travelled to namek. The team would be dead. Because he would know their levels of power and prepare for it. Him and 19 would be as strong as SSj goku. And androids 16-18 would be almost imperfect cell power level. And Cell would be SSj 2 level in his perfect form.

So if all the geniuses knew of Beerus and whis. Those robots could take some of their cells and make godly warriors.

[DBZAOTA482]

Pan vs. Kid Gohan (Android saga)

I'm assuming you're referring to Pan (EoZ). If so, Kid Gohan (Android arc) comes out victorious.

More hypothetical battles:

Pui Pui - Gauntlet

Appule
Cui
Dodoria
Zarbon (normal and transformed)
Guldo (no time freeze)
Recoome
Burter
Jeice
Captain Ginyu (no body swapping)
First Form Freeza (before training)
Second Form Freeza (before training)
Third Form Freeza (before training)
Final Form Freeza (before training)
Final Form Freeza 50% (before training)
Final Form Freeza 100% (before training)

Zarbon transforms and stomps Pui-Pui.

[supercat]

Okay, well maybe the term genius was bit of an overstatement, especially towards the context of fighting. With that said, I still find that he possesses a general sense of wisdom, which is why Buu felt that the Namekian would be a worthy addition to his collection of absorbed fighters.

Gero and his computer also probably assumed Cell would have some amazing traits to inherit from Piccolo, other than regeneration.

With the exclusion of Goku, and possibly Vegeta, I could see the Namekian being able to take down the majority of the other Z-Fighters at equal power.

He has become much smarter ever since the 23rd TB, especially after he fused with God, and he has a unique talent of training people and developing interesting techniques, but that's about it. I always find the fanbase to overrated Piccolo's intellect too much, the one major fight he had, he was outsmarted completely at every turn and even if he did get smarter after that, one of the few occasions where he outsmarts someone in battle (Cell revealing himself), it was due to the opponent's stupidity and/or bad writing.

I reckon Kuririn is a much more intelligent and pragmatic fighter than Piccolo is, and he'd be able to beat him at equal power. Roshi too, probably. Being good tactically and having a lot of experience are the human's best traits.

If that's your perception on the matter, I respect that. However, in my personal opinion, even with equal powers, I don't think any of the human fighters can take down a Super Namekian who likely maintains some form of consistent training. Yes, his knowledge has progressively shown improvement over the years, so I guess it would depend on which particular time frame we're referring to.

I'd say Piccolo before the Frieza arc could possibly lose to Krillin or Roshi after a really good fight. It could go either way though. Frieza arc and beyond, I doubt any of the humans would have a chance against him. After fighting beings like Frieza, Android 17, and Cell, the Namekian has likely gained a decent amount of experience and overall battle prowess. Let's also not forget that he's merged with Nail, Namek's finest warrior.

More hypothetical battles:

Krillin (EoZ) vs Base Goku (against Frieza, no Kaioken)
Yamcha (EoZ) vs Base Goku (against Frieza, no Kaioken)
Tien (EoZ) vs Base Goku (against Frieza, no Kaioken)

[Lord Beerus]

More hypothetical battles:

Krillin (EoZ) vs Base Goku (against Freeza, no Kaioken)
Yamcha (EoZ) vs Base Goku (against Freeza, no Kaioken)
Tenshinhan (EoZ) vs Base Goku (against Freeza, no Kaioken)

- Goku still takes this, but it's quite a close battle.
- Goku stomps Yamcha
- Goku wins but he has to work for the victory

[supercat]

Yamcha (EoZ) vs Second Form Frieza (before training)
Tien (FnF) vs Third Form Frieza (before training)
Krillin (FnF) vs Third Form Frieza (before training)

Tien (FnF) vs Final Form Frieza 100% (before training) - Shin Kikoho lands like it did against Semi-perfect Cell.
Krillin (FnF) vs Final Form Frieza 50% (before training) - Krillin gets a direct hit in with his Kienzan.

[dbgtFO]

Yamcha (EoZ) vs Second Form Freeza (before training)
Tenshinhan (FnF) vs Third Form Freeza (before training)
Krillin (FnF) vs Third Form Freeza (before training)

Tenshinhan (FnF) vs Final Form Freeza 100% (before training) - Shin Kikoho lands like it did against Semi-perfect Cell.
Krillin (FnF) vs Final Form Freeza 50% (before training) - Krillin gets a direct hit in with his Kienzan.

1. A terrified Yamcha is in complete disbelief as a newly transformed Freeza spells out it's time to end his suffering and in the blink of an eye, impales the defenseless pupil of the great Muten Roshi.
2. Tenshinhan realizes he's in over his head, but doesn't want to run away and so he charges at Freeza, but his punches don't do a thing. Freeza then starts blasting away at his helpless foe, stopping just before landng the killing blow and watching him die slowly.
3. Freeza scans the area just to see, if Goku's present. Realizing that he and Krillin are the only ones there, he starts torturing the poor bugger, mutilating him beyond belief, before finally blowng him up.

4. Freeza is instantly vaporised.
5. Freeza is cut in half.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Yamcha (23rd Budokai) vs. Son Goku (22nd Budokai)?

[singsing]

Does this include scientific geniuses like Gero and Dr. Brief?

Regardless, I don't think they could quite accomplish the feat of taking down an incredible force like Beerus.

Yes, the human race, good and bad, are all unified in this attempt.

[shonenhikada]

Superman

vs

Beerus

[Lord Beerus]

Yamcha (23rd Budokai) vs. Son Goku (22nd Budokai)?

Goku kicks Yamcha's ass.

Superman

Spoiler:

vs
Beerus

Spoiler:

shonenhikada, you really need to stop with these large images in this thread. I hate to mini-mod, but you've already been told about this before.

Anyways, Superman wins.