The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Doctor. » Wed Jun 24, 2015 12:31 pm

Compare Coola punching SS Goku's gut and Freeza doing the same :P

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by supercat » Wed Jun 24, 2015 1:00 pm

I liked the little maneuver Cooler pulled off when he took advantage of the smoke created by his ki blast by immediately charging his Supernova technique. Leveraging such opportunities in my perspective reinforces Cooler's tactical mindset and overall battle prowess. Frieza on the other hand would have probably stood there gloating over what he thinks is victory and would have left himself wide open to attack after the smoke clears.

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Cooler vs Captain Ginyu (equal power, unlimited stamina, no body swapping for Ginyu)

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Doctor. » Wed Jun 24, 2015 1:02 pm

I think it was dumber on Coola's part to make a big blast rather than just blowing up the planet outright with a small one like his brother probably would have done (and tried to do).

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by supercat » Wed Jun 24, 2015 2:23 pm

Doctor. wrote:I think it was dumber on Coola's part to make a big blast rather than just blowing up the planet outright with a small one like his brother probably would have done (and tried to do).

Although the actual act of Frieza trying to destroy Namek with one quick blast may have been one of the more logical routes he's taken on the battlefield, his failure to follow through with it basically discredits the strategic prowess behind the attempt. If he had thought through enough and understood the importance of adding a bit more potency to his blast, he could have succeeded.

Cooler probably wanted to eliminate the remote possibility of both his opponent and the planet somehow benefiting from the luxury of survival, and hence, exerted maximum effort towards accomplishing his goal. Despite the unsuccessful turn of events, he still took the possibility of failure into consideration and gave it his all.

With all that said, both brothers ended up failing miserably despite the colossal advantage they initially had over their Saiyan adversary, and therefore, in some regards they could both be deemed incompetent. However, between the two, Cooler seemed more adept in identifying the right opportunities and then manipulating them accordingly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Jun 24, 2015 2:51 pm

supercat wrote:Cooler vs Captain Ginyu (equal power, unlimited stamina, no body swapping for Ginyu)
Ginyu ain't nothing without his body swapping technique, so Cooler take this with ease.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by supercat » Wed Jun 24, 2015 3:05 pm

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supercat wrote:Cooler vs Captain Ginyu (equal power, unlimited stamina, no body swapping for Ginyu)
Ginyu ain't nothing without his body swapping technique, so Cooler take this with ease.
So what are your thoughts on Frieza vs Cooler (equal power, unlimited stamina)?

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Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Jun 24, 2015 5:11 pm

supercat wrote:So what are your thoughts on Freeza vs Cooler (equal power, unlimited stamina)?
Cooler is far more savvy in battle than Freeza is. So I'm backing Cooler to win this battle.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by LightBing » Wed Jun 24, 2015 5:15 pm

Kurilin vs Yamcha (Both at their first appearance)

Gyuumaou vs Kurilin (21st Tenkaichi Budokai)

Kurilin vs Pocus

Gohan (Android Arc) vs Goku (before fighting with Freeza, no Kaioken)

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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Wed Jun 24, 2015 5:24 pm

LightBing wrote:Kurilin vs Yamcha (Both at their first appearance)

Gyuumaou vs Kurilin (21st Tenkaichi Budokai)

Kurilin vs Pocus

Gohan (Android Arc) vs Goku (before fighting with Freeza, no Kaioken)
I reckon their abilities are about even but I give it to Yamcha cuz he's more brave (overconfident even) and is bigger.. a lot bigger

Gyumao probably wins due to attrition

Krillin beats Pui-Pui silly Krillin loses horribly

Goku edges it out due to his skill and experience
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Jun 24, 2015 5:31 pm

supercat wrote:Paikuhan and Olibu (Potara fusion) vs Kid Buu
Kid Buu still wrecks them.
supercat wrote:Base Kogu vs Yakon
Base Future Trunks (post RoSaT x 2) vs Yakon
Yakon vs Final Form Freeza 25%
- Yakon gets stomped. He couldn't handle Base Goku while Kogu was able to hold his own against Base Future Trunks post-Cell arc.
- Yakons gets one shotted.
- Yakon loses, yet again, horribly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Wed Jun 24, 2015 5:33 pm

LightBing wrote:Kurilin vs Yamcha (Both at their first appearance)

Gyuumaou vs Kurilin (21st Tenkaichi Budokai)

Kurilin vs Pocus

Gohan (Android Arc) vs Goku (before fighting with Freeza, no Kaioken)
-Yamcha wins. He has a slight power advantage, in my opinion. He also has the WFF.
-This is tough... without much to go on, I'd say Krillin wins.
-Pocus slaughters him.
-In my opinion: Gohan (Android arc) >> Goku (Yardrat) > Trunks (Trunks saga) >> Goku (Namek). Goku would lose even with Kaioken.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by supercat » Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:51 pm

LightBing wrote:Kurilin vs Yamcha (Both at their first appearance)

Gyuumaou vs Kurilin (21st Tenkaichi Budokai)

Kurilin vs Pocus

Gohan (Android Arc) vs Goku (before fighting with Freeza, no Kaioken)

-I honestly think that the fight between Krillin and Pui Pui could go either way. On the low end, I see Pui Pui at around the same level as Captain Ginyu, and on the much higher end of that spectrum I see him more or less wielding a battle power that is comparable to Base Goku's (against Frieza on Namek). I sort of envision Krillin sitting somewhere in the middle of that range as well, so really, I feel the victor could be determined rather spontaneously.

-I don't think Gohan was quite able to reach the level of his father by that point. I could see him closing in on that realm of power, but his lack of experience would cost him. Unless, however, he gets the privilege of benefiting from some kind of rage boost.

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Frieza vs Nail (equal power, unlimited stamina)
SSJ2 Gohan (against Cell, fully enraged) vs Post Z-Sword Gohan

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:58 pm

supercat wrote:SSJ2 Gohan (against Cell, fully enraged) vs Post Z-Sword Gohan
Zeta Sword Gohan slaughters his younger counterpart.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Doctor. » Wed Jun 24, 2015 7:00 pm

Namek arc Goku vs Pui Pui and Yakon

Has access to Kaioken x20 if needed.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by supercat » Wed Jun 24, 2015 7:11 pm

Doctor. wrote:Namek arc Goku vs Pui Pui and Yakon

Has access to Kaioken x20 if needed.
With access to Kaioken x20 the Majin lackeys are done for. Even without Kaioken, Goku could likely make quick work of Pui Pui. He probably needs Kaioken x10 to be able to safely trash Yakon though.

Another battle:
Base Vegeta (after one day in the RoSaT) vs Yakon

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Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Jun 24, 2015 7:20 pm

supercat wrote:Base Vegeta (after one day in the RoSaT) vs Yakon
Yakon gets wrecked.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Wed Jun 24, 2015 7:37 pm

supercat wrote:Base Vegeta (after one day in the RoSaT) vs Yakon
Yakon was keeping Buu saga Goku on his feat... he slaughters this weak Vegeta..

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by supercat » Wed Jun 24, 2015 7:42 pm

Yakon - Gauntlet

With all the recent hypothetical battles involving Babidi's big darkness dwelling lackey, I figure I'd put together a little gauntlet to see where you all think he stands. The range in powers is quite substantial, so feel free to express your individual opinions on how you feel the monster compares to the fighters listed below. If possible, please try to back your opinions up with some references.

First Form Frieza (before training)
Second Form Frieza (before training)
Third Form Frieza (before training)
Final Form Frieza (against Base Goku, before training)
Final Form Frieza 25% (before training)
Final Form Frieza 50% (before training)
Final Form Frieza 100% (before training)
Mecha Frieza 100%
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Android 19
Android 20
Android 17
Android 18
Android 16
Imperfect Cell
Semi-perfect Cell

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Wed Jun 24, 2015 7:49 pm

supercat wrote:Yakon - Gauntlet

With all the recent hypothetical battles involving Babidi's big darkness dwelling lackey, I figure I'd put together a little gauntlet to see where you all think he stands. The range in powers is quite substantial, so feel free to express your individual opinions on how you feel the monster compares to the fighters listed below. If possible, please try to back your opinions up with some references.

[gauntlet]
He stomps everyone all the way until 17 (not sure why he's behind 18) and then gets slaughtered by 16. Base Kids can be estimated to be around 18 in the Buu saga more or less, and I'd say Base Goku is a little less than 2x stronger Goten. So if Base Buu arc Goku is roughly 2x 18, then I'd place Yakon slightly higher. Still gets stomped by 16 though, in my opinion.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Doctor. » Wed Jun 24, 2015 8:22 pm

Stops at 25% Freeza, imo. Beats everyone until there with relative ease.

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