There are many different dragon ball animes and movies that were made without considering the show or manga. The other day I bought Movie 13 and wondered: "How strong is Hirudegarn compared to the Dragon ball Z or Dragon ball GT villains"? So I thought it would be interesting to put them all in a list of order and see what people think here. (and it would change many opinions for villains who people seem to have forgotten)
(Important major/important Villains only and at their maximum level)
Dragon ball Z: Raditz, Nappa, Vegeta, Dodoria, Zarbon, Ginyu Force (all 5), Freeza, Cyborg 20,19,18, and 17, Cell, Dabura, Babidi, Majin Vegeta, Majin Buu (with Gohan or Kid Buu, it depends how you view it).
Movies- Garlic Junior, Dr. Wheelo, Tullece, Giant Slug, Metal Coola, Coola (both are not the same character), Androids 14, 15 and Super 13, Broly, Bojack, Janemba, Hirudegarn.
Dragon ball GT- Dr. Myu, General Lock/Rildo, Oozaru Bebi-Vegeta, Super 17,
- Liang Xing Long (the Two-Star Dragon- big fat green)
-Wu Xing Long - the Five-Star Dragon (electical purple)
-Liu Xing Long - the Six-Star Dragon (princess one)
-Qi Xing Long - the Seven-Star Dragon (dig one- purple)
-Si Xing Long - the Four-Star Dragon (fire)
-San Xing Long - the Three-Star Dragon (Ice)
- SUPER Yi Xing Long - the One-Star Dragon with all the balls.
I do not mention the original dragon ball because there is not much point (they are very weak compared to even Raditz)
There are: 44 in total. Sooooo this could take awhile. But we can just make 1 list and change things around when we disagree.
Also for "GT" it is strange because there are many ways to argue how strong each character is compared to others. For example: how much stronger a SSJ4 is to a SSJ3.
Or how strong Goku really was as a child.
My arguments for the Dragons is that they are as strong as the wish that was made for them and that is why they can be almost like gods(Example: when you wish a planet back)
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- Super Yi xing long- 1 Star Dragon- Final Dragon
- Super 17
- Super Bebi-Vegeta (Oozaru)
- Super Buu (Gohan, Trunks, Goten and Piccolo) ***might be stronger than Super Bebi Vegeta but probably not. (Is stronger before he goes Oozaru though)
-Si Xing Long - the Four-Star Dragon (fire)
-San Xing Long - the Three-Star Dragon (Ice)
-Qi Xing Long - the Seven-Star Dragon (dig one- purple)
- Janemba
-Wu Xing Long - the Five-Star Dragon (electical purple)
**just because he gives SSJ4 Goku such a hard fight.
- Hirudegarn
- Majin Vegeta
- Perfect Cell ***can be argued to be stronger than Dabura, but maybe not.
- Dabura
- Super Android 13
- Broly ***might be stronger than Super 13
- Bojack
- Cyborg- 17
- Cyborg- 18
- Metal Coola
- Android 14
- Android 15
- Frieza ***Maybe argued that Frieza is stronger than Cyborg 20 and 19 and also stronger than Coola 5th form
- Coola
- Cyborg- 19
- Cyborg- 20
- General Lock/Rildo
- Liu Xing Long - the Six-Star Dragon (princess one)
- Lord Slug
- Ginyu
- Butta ***order of the Ginyu can be argued
- Reacoom ***order of Ginyu can be argued
- Jeece
- Gurd
- Zarbon
- Dodoria
- Tullece
- Dr Wheelo
- Nappa
- Raditz ***Can be weaker than full power Garlic Junior but not at Oozaru if he did do it.
- Liang Xing Long (the Two-Star Dragon- big fat green)
- Garlic Junior
- Babidi
- Dr. Myu
- Liang Xing Long (the Two-Star Dragon- big fat green)
-Wu Xing Long - the Five-Star Dragon (electical purple)
-Liu Xing Long - the Six-Star Dragon (princess one)
-Qi Xing Long - the Seven-Star Dragon (dig one- purple)
-Qi Xing Long - the Seven-Star Dragon (dig one- purple)
-San Xing Long - the Three-Star Dragon (Ice)
- SUPER Yi Xing Long - the One-Star Dragon with all the balls.
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I didn't read over the entire thing, but I can help out a bit with my own insight.
Broli is most definatly more powerful than Android 13; by my estimate, 13 is probably the same strength as Android 16, while Broli is probably closer to the power of Perfect Cell. (not Super Perfect Cell)
Super 17 actually starts off much more weaker than Baby-Vegeta; weak enough that Goku probably could have taken him at the first level of Super Saiyan if he hadn't made the mistake of blasting him. But I don't know if you're ranking him based on his original power or his final power, so maybe that wasn't a mistake.
You may not like General Rild, but Goku says plainly that he was stronger than Majin Boo, and that's before he transformed into Hyper Mega Rild. So he needs to move up on the hierarchy.
That's all I can see right now. But good idea on making this list...I just pray it doesn't degenerate into a power level war.
Broli is most definatly more powerful than Android 13; by my estimate, 13 is probably the same strength as Android 16, while Broli is probably closer to the power of Perfect Cell. (not Super Perfect Cell)
Super 17 actually starts off much more weaker than Baby-Vegeta; weak enough that Goku probably could have taken him at the first level of Super Saiyan if he hadn't made the mistake of blasting him. But I don't know if you're ranking him based on his original power or his final power, so maybe that wasn't a mistake.
You may not like General Rild, but Goku says plainly that he was stronger than Majin Boo, and that's before he transformed into Hyper Mega Rild. So he needs to move up on the hierarchy.
That's all I can see right now. But good idea on making this list...I just pray it doesn't degenerate into a power level war.
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hehe thanks for posting.Deus ex Machina wrote:I didn't read over the entire thing, but I can help out a bit with my own insight.
Broli is most definatly more powerful than Android 13; by my estimate, 13 is probably the same strength as Android 16, while Broli is probably closer to the power of Perfect Cell. (not Super Perfect Cell)
Super 17 actually starts off much more weaker than Baby-Vegeta; weak enough that Goku probably could have taken him at the first level of Super Saiyan if he hadn't made the mistake of blasting him. But I don't know if you're ranking him based on his original power or his final power, so maybe that wasn't a mistake.
You may not like General Rild, but Goku says plainly that he was stronger than Majin Boo, and that's before he transformed into Hyper Mega Rild. So he needs to move up on the hierarchy.
That's all I can see right now. But good idea on making this list...I just pray it doesn't degenerate into a power level war.
I was meaning to make it: "Full power" to see who has the most potential.
For General Rild/Lock the only reason I put him so low is because Chibi Goku SSJ1 beats him with not too many problems (as compared other villains in the series) after a few ki shots and a Kamehamaha. Only thing that made him dangerous was his metal control.
But they might have said that in the American version. I saw it last week and noticed that they made many changes in the information for the show.
But this is good. I dont expect people to rewrite the whole list, but just discuss and change whatever they want.
As for Super 17, I always saw it this way: Trunks and Goten (who are much weaker than Goku and Vegeta when they were SSJ1). When they fused they became (aparently) more stronger than SSJ3 Goku by himself when they were SSJ3.
Now if Cyborg 17 was much stronger than SSJ1 Goku and Vegeta, the fusion of them would have been incredible (and it was). Weaker than Vegetto but still a strong fusion character. So even at the start Super 17 was probable stronger than Bebi Vegeta (non oozaru stage)
Broly is better than Cyborg 13, you are right about that. But Super 13 is almost as strong as Cell in his dominance, I watched the movie again not long ago and he was much more dominant and violent than Broly. (they cant even touch him)
But these are good arguments. I myself am confused as where to put the dragons too, or how to compare Janemba with Bebi Vegeta (you have to compare them to the people they fought).
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I fully understand where you're coming from on the subject of General Rild; surely anyone stronger than Majin Boo couldn't be killed by three simple Kamehameha's, or be only an equal match for SSJ Goku. BUT, unfortunately, Toei did make the gross mistake of saying Rild is stronger than Majin Boo, it's in the Japanese version as well. Some people suggest that Goku might be talking about the weakest Majin Boo (Fat Boo) and that seems possible...I guess it's really up to each person to interpret.
And back to the topic of Super 17, I think I'll take back what I said about him being weaker than Baby. I remember now that 17 pretty much defeats Oob (the second strongest hero in the series before SSJ4 Vegeta) with ease, while Oob actually made Baby struggle a bit. So 17 is fine where he is.
Now, as for Super 13, I think I should explain my position a little better. In DBZ movie 7 (Super 13), Goku, Trunks, and Vegeta are all as strong as before they went into the room of spirit and time, as you can tell by Trunks' appearance and Vegeta's small body. Therefore, Super 13 is probably no more stronger than the strongest villian at that time of the series, which would be first form Cell or Android 16.
On the other hand, in movie 8 all of the characters are presumed to have already trained in the room of spirit and time, as you can see by Gohan being a SSJ. In movie 8 they are all much stronger than they were in movie 7, so they could've slaughtered Super 13. But they all get thoroughly beaten by Broli. The only other person to beat Goku and Gohan at that power was perfect Cell, hence why I believe Broli's roughly the same strength as Cell.
As for the Shadow Dragons...that's a huge headache right there. Some of them are so weak and/or have such a limited cameo that it's hard to guage against other villians. As for Janemba, I'd place him lower than Baby Vegeta, if only because Goku tells Baby that he never fought anyone as powerful as him and movies count in GT.
And back to the topic of Super 17, I think I'll take back what I said about him being weaker than Baby. I remember now that 17 pretty much defeats Oob (the second strongest hero in the series before SSJ4 Vegeta) with ease, while Oob actually made Baby struggle a bit. So 17 is fine where he is.
Now, as for Super 13, I think I should explain my position a little better. In DBZ movie 7 (Super 13), Goku, Trunks, and Vegeta are all as strong as before they went into the room of spirit and time, as you can tell by Trunks' appearance and Vegeta's small body. Therefore, Super 13 is probably no more stronger than the strongest villian at that time of the series, which would be first form Cell or Android 16.
On the other hand, in movie 8 all of the characters are presumed to have already trained in the room of spirit and time, as you can see by Gohan being a SSJ. In movie 8 they are all much stronger than they were in movie 7, so they could've slaughtered Super 13. But they all get thoroughly beaten by Broli. The only other person to beat Goku and Gohan at that power was perfect Cell, hence why I believe Broli's roughly the same strength as Cell.
As for the Shadow Dragons...that's a huge headache right there. Some of them are so weak and/or have such a limited cameo that it's hard to guage against other villians. As for Janemba, I'd place him lower than Baby Vegeta, if only because Goku tells Baby that he never fought anyone as powerful as him and movies count in GT.
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hmm. I 100% agree.
As for General Rild, we can just say that Goku is just saying stupid things again
. (He must have thought Rild was stronger than he was before he easily killed him with the kamehamehas)
And your Super 13 argument was perfect. Ill change the order shortly.
As for the movies counting in GT, if I can remember well I think that Coola was the only movie character to be in GT for about 1 second. It's one of the only movies besides 9 and 13 that can happen in the story, so if you are a fan of Coola its a good thing that TOEI made it part of the story/"canon"
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The only thing I never understood from that movie was how Coola didnt know that it was Trunks who killed Frieza AND his father. But whetever.
those were good points Deus Ex Machina
As for General Rild, we can just say that Goku is just saying stupid things again
. (He must have thought Rild was stronger than he was before he easily killed him with the kamehamehas) And your Super 13 argument was perfect. Ill change the order shortly.
As for the movies counting in GT, if I can remember well I think that Coola was the only movie character to be in GT for about 1 second. It's one of the only movies besides 9 and 13 that can happen in the story, so if you are a fan of Coola its a good thing that TOEI made it part of the story/"canon"
.The only thing I never understood from that movie was how Coola didnt know that it was Trunks who killed Frieza AND his father. But whetever.
those were good points Deus Ex Machina
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Re: Villain Ranking of all time (all medias)
I'm going to try to break down reasons why my list was the way it was..
Villain Ranking of all time (part 1)
#36:Babidi: Babidi is only a real threat to those with evil in their hearts, much like Akuman.. Only thing that I don't get is how he killed those workers in the world tournament. Could he do that because they contacted him or because they had some evil in their hearts? I guess I have to mention his father too. Making a fearsome beast like Buu by accident..
#35:Garlic Junior: I think he was a threat because he was able to fight post-DragonBall Goku and Piccolo at the same time. The thing about his "immortality" was that he couldn't die of natural causes right..? How does that really help in a battle?
#34:Raditz: Raditz would be a very big threat in DragonBall but after that he really isn't much. After less than a year of training, most of the warriors had already surpassed him. Didn't he look like a blend of Nappa and Vegeta..
#33:Dr. Myu: Not really talking about his strength.. just his impact on basically making GT. Without him there would be no Bebi and no Super 17 which would mean no Evil Dragons which basically sums up GT.
#32:Dr Wheelo:Had the same premise of Gero and a bit of Movie 11's bio-warrior theme. There was a bit of Babidi in the mix too seeing how he was able to control Big Green...
#31:Nappa: He is the poster boy for the savage, reckless enemy. He was so cliche but it worked. One of my favorite moments in the whole series was when Goku comes back from the dead and beats the crap out of him. Good times..
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...To be continued...
Villain Ranking of all time (part 1) #36:Babidi: Babidi is only a real threat to those with evil in their hearts, much like Akuman.. Only thing that I don't get is how he killed those workers in the world tournament. Could he do that because they contacted him or because they had some evil in their hearts? I guess I have to mention his father too. Making a fearsome beast like Buu by accident..
#35:Garlic Junior: I think he was a threat because he was able to fight post-DragonBall Goku and Piccolo at the same time. The thing about his "immortality" was that he couldn't die of natural causes right..? How does that really help in a battle?
#34:Raditz: Raditz would be a very big threat in DragonBall but after that he really isn't much. After less than a year of training, most of the warriors had already surpassed him. Didn't he look like a blend of Nappa and Vegeta..
#33:Dr. Myu: Not really talking about his strength.. just his impact on basically making GT. Without him there would be no Bebi and no Super 17 which would mean no Evil Dragons which basically sums up GT.
#32:Dr Wheelo:Had the same premise of Gero and a bit of Movie 11's bio-warrior theme. There was a bit of Babidi in the mix too seeing how he was able to control Big Green...
#31:Nappa: He is the poster boy for the savage, reckless enemy. He was so cliche but it worked. One of my favorite moments in the whole series was when Goku comes back from the dead and beats the crap out of him. Good times..
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...To be continued...
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This list is totally accurate!Mr.Piccolo wrote:- Dabura
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- Broli
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I know it wasn't Aoi's intention that everyone make up their own list, but if he doesn't mind too terribly I'd like to try my hand at one too. Here's how I break down every villian...
- Yi Xing Long
- Super 17
- Baby Vegeta, Golden Ape
- Si Xing Long transformed (Nuova Shenron)
- San Xing Long (Eis Shenron)
- Qi Xing Long (Naturon Shenron)
- Baby Vegeta
- Baby Gohan
- Baby Goten
- Baby
- General Rild
- Majin Boo's (Not going into specifics, nobody have a heart attack)
- Hildegarn
- Janenba
- Majin Vegeta
- Super Perfect Cell / Broli movie 10
- Dabra
- Hatchihyakku
- Perfect Cell / Broli movie 8 / Bio Broli
- Bojack
- Super 13
- No. 17
- No. 18
- Meta Coola
- Coola's Final Form / Mecha Freeza / King Cold
- Freeza 100%
- No. 13
- No. 14
- No. 15
- Coola
- Slug
- Dr. Gero
- No. 19
- Ginyu
- Recoome / Butta / Jheese
- Zarbon
- Dodoria
- Cui
- Vegeta (Earth battle) / Tullece maybe?
- Nappa / Dr. Wheelo
- Raditz / Saibamen / Guildo
- Garlic Jr. (movie 1)
- Dr. Wheelo's Saibamen
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lol No it doesnt matter. Please everyone make their own lists.Deus ex Machina wrote:I know it wasn't Aoi's intention that everyone make up their own list, but if he doesn't mind too terribly I'd like to try my hand at one too. Here's how I break down every villian...
That's not a complete list obviously, but I think I remembered all the major villians. Of course the GT power levels can be really confusing, they might be better off seperated to themselves.
- Yi Xing Long
- Super 17
- Baby Vegeta, Golden Ape
- Si Xing Long transformed (Nuova Shenron)
- San Xing Long (Eis Shenron)
- Qi Xing Long (Naturon Shenron)
- Baby Vegeta
- Baby Gohan
- Baby Goten
- Baby
- General Rild
- Majin Boo's (Not going into specifics, nobody have a heart attack)
- Hildegarn
- Janenba
- Majin Vegeta
- Super Perfect Cell / Broli movie 10
- Dabra
- Hatchihyakku
- Perfect Cell / Broli movie 8
- Super 13
- No. 17
- No. 18
- Meta Coola
- Coola's Final Form / Mecha Freeza / King Cold
- Freeza 100%
- No. 13
- No. 14
- No. 15
- Coola
- Slug
- Dr. Gero
- No. 19
- Ginyu
- Recoome / Butta / Jheese
- Zarbon
- Dodoria
- Cui
- Vegeta (Earth battle) / Tullece maybe?
- Nappa / Dr. Wheelo
- Raditz / Saibamen / Guildo / Dr. Wheelo's Saibamen
I thought Piccolo's was perfect actually (and the shotgun farmer in it was funny)
. And you went much more detailed than anyone here. I had completely forgot about Cui.