supercat wrote:All members of the Ginyu Force vs Dore - no body swapping for Ginyu and no time freezing for Guldo.
All members of the Ginyu Force vs Neiz -no body swapping for Ginyu and no time freezing for Guldo.
First Form Freeza vs Dore and Neiz
I honestly feel that Cooler's lackeys would make quick work of the Ginyu Force, but would ultimately fall short of securing victory against First Form Freeza.
I think your assessment is probably accurate; then again, Salza/Sauzer wasn't
that much weaker than Piccolo (who was at or above 1 million BP at the time), and we don't know how much stronger he was than the other two if at all (those V-Jump BPs notwithstanding).
In Brightest Day wrote:supercat wrote:New Battle:
Tenshinhan's Shin Kikoho (against Semi-perfect Cell) vs Yardrat Goku (Goku has to tank the attack head-on)
Android 16, by far the 2nd most powerful character up until that moment in the story
literally couldn't make Semi-Perfect Cell budge an inch. The Neo Ki-Ko-Ho was able to at least push Cell back and give him some degree of discomfort, so anyone below him would disintegrate quickly if they were dumb enough to try tank it. Goku dies a quick death here.
Nothing we have learnt about the Ki-Ko-Ho (at least going by comments from characters like Piccolo and Roshi) suggests it is anything more than just a ridiculously powerful attack that can only be pulled off by someone both skilled and crazy enough to use it.
Hurrah, someone agrees with me!
In Brightest Day wrote:A few fights:
- Beerus vs. Ledgic.
- SSJ Son Goten (25th Budokai) vs. Kaioshin.
- Kami vs. Tenshinhan at the 23rd Budokai.
- King Chappa vs. Mercenary Tao.
- Nappa vs. Piccolo, Tenshinhan, Krillin, Yamcha (Saiyan arc) and 3 Namekian warriors.
- Tenshinhan vs. Yajirobe at the 23rd Budokai.
-My memory may be faulty on both counts, but doesn't one source compare SSJ4 Goku's power to Vegetto's, whereas Beerus is said to be much stronger than Vegetto? If so, would seem to suggest Beerus takes this easy, since Goku only needed SSJ1 to beat Ledgic.
-Hmm, that's tough. SSJ Goten and Trunks didn't seem too far from SSJ Gohan and Vegeta's level during training, so probably Goten?
-I reckon Kami (he said the humans all surpassed him during the training for the saiyans, implying none of them had beforehand). Then again Tenshinhan has a lot of useful tricks to turn a fight around if he's not
that outclassed...still probably Kami.
-Nappa had his hands full against Piccolo, Tenshinhan, Krillin, Gohan and Chaozu, and nearly died more than once. I reckon the team wins this.
-Yajirobe was definitely the stronger during the King Piccolo arc, but I don't recall him doing serious training for the 23rd Budokai, so Ten probably passed him. I mean, when you consider that Yamcha did better against Kami than Yajirobe did...
