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No, Super Saiyan 4 isn't a static multiplier. It's based on potential, and in my opinion, Goten and Trunks have a lot more potential than Goku and Vegeta.fadeddreams5 wrote:Are you implying Gotenks is stronger than Vegito? O.oSSJ2FutureGohan wrote:Gotenks slaughters him. He'd beat even a hypothetical Super Saiyan 4 Vegetto.Blocky wrote:Hypothetical SSJ4 Gotenks (Buu Sega) vs Buuhan
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LSSJ3 might be above a normal SSJ3, so I think that Broly might put a good fight with Super Boo (Gohan Absorbed)
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Regardless, Broly doesn't stand a chance. Any subtle power advantage LSSJ3 may have over SSJ3 would be negligible and trivial at this point. Even if the LSSJ somehow manages to get a 10x boost by turning LSSJ3 (which I envision would be the highest he'd get), he would still fall short of regular Super Buu, let alone Buuhan.Noah wrote:LSSJ3 might be above a normal SSJ3, so I think that Broly might put a good fight with Super Boo (Gohan Absorbed)
Generously speaking, if Broly's durability grants him the opportunity to avoid getting one-shotted by Buuhan's first attack, it's only a matter of seconds before the subsequent attack does him in.
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The majin boost might have a great effect on Broly, plus wasn't his power constantly increasing during M10? If Buu gets dumber by absorbing Janemba and Hirudegarn and the fight lasts long enough, maybe there's a very, very ... very slim chance.
If the Fusion dance requires same sized and power people, maybe it wouldn't work? Our it would but be much less effective. This might make Nappa a slight favorite; he's a tank and relentless. Of course a kienzan might make quick work of him.Blocky wrote: Yamllin (Krillin + Yamcha: Fusion Dance and Saiyan Sega) vs Nappa.
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I think the fusion dance doesn't do half-measures; you're just compatible or you're not. So if we're somehow bending the rules to say Krillin and Yamcha are compatible, we can assume it'll work full-force, in which case they can beat Nappa pretty handily.
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Whether or not Buu's intelligence declines, the advantage of power he has over Broly is so immense that such minute variables would hardly make a dent in the situation. As I've mentioned before, even if Broly manages to get a 10x increase in power while he's in his LSSJ form, his power would still be a mere fraction of Buuhan's.LightBing wrote:The majin boost might have a great effect on Broly, plus wasn't his power constantly increasing during M10? If Buu gets dumber by absorbing Janemba and Hirudegarn and the fight lasts long enough, maybe there's a very, very ... very slim chance.
If the Fusion dance requires same sized and power people, maybe it wouldn't work? Our it would but be much less effective. This might make Nappa a slight favorite; he's a tank and relentless. Of course a kienzan might make quick work of him.Blocky wrote: Yamllin (Krillin + Yamcha: Fusion Dance and Saiyan Sega) vs Nappa.
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Here's more battles.
Jackie Chun VS Chiaotzu (22nd World Tournament)
Cooler VS Dr.Gero
Imperfect Cell VS Kogu
Tao Pai Pai VS Akkuman
Buuhan + SSJ Vegito Potara Fusion vs SSJ4 Goku (Baby Sega)
Goku (Saiyan Saga)- He can use up to Kaioken X5 vs Base Bardock (Episode of Bardock)
Jackie Chun VS Chiaotzu (22nd World Tournament)
Cooler VS Dr.Gero
Imperfect Cell VS Kogu
Tao Pai Pai VS Akkuman
Buuhan + SSJ Vegito Potara Fusion vs SSJ4 Goku (Baby Sega)
Goku (Saiyan Saga)- He can use up to Kaioken X5 vs Base Bardock (Episode of Bardock)
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-It takes more intelligence/cunning than just power if you're fighting Chaozu on a roughly even playing-field; and Roshi/Jackie definitely has that, so I'd give it to him.Blocky wrote:Here's more battles.
Jackie Chun VS Chiaotzu (22nd World Tournament)
Cooler VS Dr.Gero
Imperfect Cell VS Kogu
Tao Pai Pai VS Akkuman
Buuhan + SSJ Vegito Potara Fusion vs SSJ4 Goku (Baby Sega)
Goku (Saiyan Saga)- He can use up to Kaioken X5 vs Base Bardock (Episode of Bardock)
-Tough to say, but Cooler seems maybe slightly stronger? Given the way his strongest attack was able to give SSJ Goku trouble; I don't see Gero doing that. Of course, the difference is small enough that Gero might be able to drain his energy.
-Kogu (given his performance against base Trunks, compared to Imperfect Cell).
-Not sure.
-The fusion. Pretty sure SSJ4 Goku is supposed to be on par with just Vegetto anyway.
-I can't imagine Bardock got that much stronger just in base since his 10K-ish level previously--in fact, he's probably still weaker than saiyan saga Vegeta. So I'd say Goku wins this last one.
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-Jackie Chun stomps hardBlocky wrote:Here's more battles.
Jackie Chun VS Chiaotzu (22nd World Tournament)
Cooler VS Dr.Gero
Imperfect Cell VS Kogu
Tao Pai Pai VS Akkuman
Buuhan + SSJ Vegito Potara Fusion vs SSJ4 Goku (Baby Sega)
Goku (Saiyan Saga)- He can use up to Kaioken X5 vs Base Bardock (Episode of Bardock)
-Cooler makes Gero into scrap maerial
-Don't know much about Kogu
-Tao Pai Pai stomps. Goku made Akkuman his bitch despite holding back yet struggled with Tao.
-SSJ4 Goku is a fur coat
-Goku and it's not even funny
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Just mere speculation, we can say that Broly is the only Saiyan that can still get a Zenkai by this point, I still think he in LSSJ3 is below Super Boo (Gohan Absorbed), right... Above Fat Boo and maybe on par with Super Boo without absorptionssupercat wrote:Regardless, Broly doesn't stand a chance. Any subtle power advantage LSSJ3 may have over SSJ3 would be negligible and trivial at this point. Even if the LSSJ somehow manages to get a 10x boost by turning LSSJ3 (which I envision would be the highest he'd get), he would still fall short of regular Super Buu, let alone Buuhan.Noah wrote:LSSJ3 might be above a normal SSJ3, so I think that Broly might put a good fight with Super Boo (Gohan Absorbed)
Generously speaking, if Broly's durability grants him the opportunity to avoid getting one-shotted by Buuhan's first attack, it's only a matter of seconds before the subsequent attack does him in.
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Blocky wrote:Here's more battles.
Jackie Chun VS Chiaotzu (22nd World Tournament)
Cooler VS Dr.Gero
Imperfect Cell VS Kogu
Tao Pai Pai VS Akkuman
Buuhan + SSJ Vegito Potara Fusion vs SSJ4 Goku (Baby Sega)
Goku (Saiyan Saga)- He can use up to Kaioken X5 vs Base Bardock (Episode of Bardock)
Jackie Chun vs Chaozu
-Although Jackie Chun was able to casually neutralize everything Chaozu threw his way, he's fully aware that the powers of telekinesis can easily turn the tables. Without wasting a second, the old master makes quick work of his rival's student by showcasing his signature Kamehameha.
Cooler vs Dr. Gero
-I don't put much stock in the 470,000,000 power level for Cooler, so in my opinion, he is only slightly stronger than his brother was on Namek. With that said, this would be a close fight until Cooler foolishly supplies the evil doctor with a nice serving of energy. Gero, growing stronger with each ki blast fired by Cooler, but realizing he should finish the job before his enemy catches on, retaliates with a powerful blast of his own. Unable to take the deadly blast head-on, and without enough time to dodge, Cooler is quickly subdued. Gero maliciously chuckles as he prepares to reward himself with another great specimen to throw into his large collection of cells.
Imperfect Cell vs Kogu
-Cell laughs maniacally as he pummels Bojack's lackey to the ground. He then gets ready to sink his tail into his seemingly helpless foe in hopes of supplementing himself with a nice dose of energy, but Kogu promptly gets up and transforms. With a major power increase at his disposal, the space pirate quickly gains the upper hand. Out of desperation, Cell fires a powerful Kamehameha, but to his dismay, the attack is effortlessly dodged. Infuriated, he gets ready to unleash another attack, but before another opportunity can even present itself, he is sliced in half.
As Kogu gets ready to leave, he is suddenly knocked down by a sucker punch to his face. He looks up and trembles in fear as he sees a completely intact Cell standing right before him. The biological android smiles and mockingly hushes his foe by telling him to reserve his gratitude for the Namekians. With that, he fires a Makankosappo straight through Kogu's heart, and claims himself as the proud victor.
Tao Pai Pai vs Akkuman
-Try as he might, Akkuman is unable to land a single hit on Tao Pai Pai. Uninterested in letting such a futile struggle for survival go on, Tao Pai Pai impales Akkuman with a Dodonpa, and calls it a day.
Buuhan + SSJ Vegetto Potara Fusion vs SSJ4 Goku
-Not willing to admit defeat, despite knowing there isn't even a remote chance of victory, SSJ4 Goku bravely charges the now invincible Majin Buu with full power behind each devastating punch. Unfortunately for the heroic Saiyan, this act of courage proves to be nothing short of hitting a brick wall. Buuhan mercilessly seals the deal by punching his already defeated opponent in the stomach and then incinerating him while he is lifelessly keeling over.
Goku (Saiyan Saga)- Kaioken X5 vs Base Bardock (Episode of Bardock)
-Bardock proudly admits defeat and humbly commends his son for making it so far.
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Chun stomps. He's rivaling Tenshinhan, Chaozu's weaker than Yamcha who got stomped by a suppressed Tenshinhan.Blocky wrote:Jackie Chun VS Chiaotzu (22nd World Tournament)
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Wow, You must be in a story telling mood.supercat wrote:Blocky wrote:Here's more battles.
Jackie Chun VS Chiaotzu (22nd World Tournament)
Cooler VS Dr.Gero
Imperfect Cell VS Kogu
Tao Pai Pai VS Akkuman
Buuhan + SSJ Vegito Potara Fusion vs SSJ4 Goku (Baby Sega)
Goku (Saiyan Saga)- He can use up to Kaioken X5 vs Base Bardock (Episode of Bardock)
Jackie Chun vs Chaozu
-Although Jackie Chun was able to casually neutralize everything Chaozu threw his way, he's fully aware that the powers of telekinesis can easily turn the tables. Without wasting a second, the old master makes quick work of his rival's student by showcasing his signature Kamehameha.
Cooler vs Dr. Gero
-I don't put much stock in the 470,000,000 power level for Cooler, so in my opinion, he is only slightly stronger than his brother was on Namek. With that said, this would be a close fight until Cooler foolishly supplies the evil doctor with a nice serving of energy. Gero, growing stronger with each ki blast fired by Cooler, but realizing he should finish the job before his enemy catches on, retaliates with a powerful blast of his own. Unable to take the deadly blast head-on, and without enough time to dodge, Cooler is quickly subdued. Gero maliciously chuckles as he prepares to reward himself with another great specimen to throw into his large collection of cells.
Imperfect Cell vs Kogu
-Cell laughs maniacally as he pummels Bojack's lackey to the ground. He then gets ready to sink his tail into his seemingly helpless foe in hopes of supplementing himself with a nice dose of energy, but Kogu promptly gets up and transforms. With a major power increase at his disposal, the space pirate quickly gains the upper hand. Out of desperation, Cell fires a powerful Kamehameha, but to his dismay, the attack is effortlessly dodged. Infuriated, he gets ready to unleash another attack, but before another opportunity can even present itself, he is sliced in half.
As Kogu gets ready to leave, he is suddenly knocked down by a sucker punch to his face. He looks up and trembles in fear as he sees a completely intact Cell standing right before him. The biological android smiles and mockingly hushes his foe by telling him to reserve his gratitude for the Namekians. With that, he fires a Makankosappo straight through Kogu's heart, and claims himself as the proud victor.
Tao Pai Pai vs Akkuman
-Try as he might, Akkuman is unable to land a single hit on Tao Pai Pai. Uninterested in letting such a futile struggle for survival go on, Tao Pai Pai impales Akkuman with a Dodonpa, and calls it a day.
Buuhan + SSJ Vegetto Potara Fusion vs SSJ4 Goku
-Not willing to admit defeat, despite knowing there isn't even a remote chance of victory, SSJ4 Goku bravely charges the now invincible Majin Buu with full power behind each devastating punch. Unfortunately for the heroic Saiyan, this act of courage proves to be nothing short of hitting a brick wall. Buuhan mercilessly seals the deal by punching his already defeated opponent in the stomach and then incinerating him while he is lifelessly keeling over.
Goku (Saiyan Saga)- Kaioken X5 vs Base Bardock (Episode of Bardock)
-Bardock proudly admits defeat and humbly commends his son for making it so far.
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They tend to do their replies/guesses like that, yeah.Blocky wrote: Wow, You must be in a story telling mood.
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Well Kaboom did encourage us to explain our view, so I figure it fits the settingBlocky wrote:Wow, You must be in a story telling mood.supercat wrote:Jackie Chun vs Chaozu
-Although Jackie Chun was able to casually neutralize everything Chaozu threw his way, he's fully aware that the powers of telekinesis can easily turn the tables. Without wasting a second, the old master makes quick work of his rival's student by showcasing his signature Kamehameha.
Cooler vs Dr. Gero
-I don't put much stock in the 470,000,000 power level for Cooler, so in my opinion, he is only slightly stronger than his brother was on Namek. With that said, this would be a close fight until Cooler foolishly supplies the evil doctor with a nice serving of energy. Gero, growing stronger with each ki blast fired by Cooler, but realizing he should finish the job before his enemy catches on, retaliates with a powerful blast of his own. Unable to take the deadly blast head-on, and without enough time to dodge, Cooler is quickly subdued. Gero maliciously chuckles as he prepares to reward himself with another great specimen to throw into his large collection of cells.
Imperfect Cell vs Kogu
-Cell laughs maniacally as he pummels Bojack's lackey to the ground. He then gets ready to sink his tail into his seemingly helpless foe in hopes of supplementing himself with a nice dose of energy, but Kogu promptly gets up and transforms. With a major power increase at his disposal, the space pirate quickly gains the upper hand. Out of desperation, Cell fires a powerful Kamehameha, but to his dismay, the attack is effortlessly dodged. Infuriated, he gets ready to unleash another attack, but before another opportunity can even present itself, he is sliced in half.
As Kogu gets ready to leave, he is suddenly knocked down by a sucker punch to his face. He looks up and trembles in fear as he sees a completely intact Cell standing right before him. The biological android smiles and mockingly hushes his foe by telling him to reserve his gratitude for the Namekians. With that, he fires a Makankosappo straight through Kogu's heart, and claims himself as the proud victor.
Tao Pai Pai vs Akkuman
-Try as he might, Akkuman is unable to land a single hit on Tao Pai Pai. Uninterested in letting such a futile struggle for survival go on, Tao Pai Pai impales Akkuman with a Dodonpa, and calls it a day.
Buuhan + SSJ Vegetto Potara Fusion vs SSJ4 Goku
-Not willing to admit defeat, despite knowing there isn't even a remote chance of victory, SSJ4 Goku bravely charges the now invincible Majin Buu with full power behind each devastating punch. Unfortunately for the heroic Saiyan, this act of courage proves to be nothing short of hitting a brick wall. Buuhan mercilessly seals the deal by punching his already defeated opponent in the stomach and then incinerating him while he is lifelessly keeling over.
Goku (Saiyan Saga)- Kaioken X5 vs Base Bardock (Episode of Bardock)
-Bardock proudly admits defeat and humbly commends his son for making it so far.
Regardless of that though, I feel it's so much more refreshing to elaborate on some of these scenarios and add some flavor into them.
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Three can play it that game.supercat wrote:Well Kaboom did encourage us to explain our view, so I figure it fits the settingBlocky wrote:Wow, You must be in a story telling mood.supercat wrote:Jackie Chun vs Chaozu
-Although Jackie Chun was able to casually neutralize everything Chaozu threw his way, he's fully aware that the powers of telekinesis can easily turn the tables. Without wasting a second, the old master makes quick work of his rival's student by showcasing his signature Kamehameha.
Cooler vs Dr. Gero
-I don't put much stock in the 470,000,000 power level for Cooler, so in my opinion, he is only slightly stronger than his brother was on Namek. With that said, this would be a close fight until Cooler foolishly supplies the evil doctor with a nice serving of energy. Gero, growing stronger with each ki blast fired by Cooler, but realizing he should finish the job before his enemy catches on, retaliates with a powerful blast of his own. Unable to take the deadly blast head-on, and without enough time to dodge, Cooler is quickly subdued. Gero maliciously chuckles as he prepares to reward himself with another great specimen to throw into his large collection of cells.
Imperfect Cell vs Kogu
-Cell laughs maniacally as he pummels Bojack's lackey to the ground. He then gets ready to sink his tail into his seemingly helpless foe in hopes of supplementing himself with a nice dose of energy, but Kogu promptly gets up and transforms. With a major power increase at his disposal, the space pirate quickly gains the upper hand. Out of desperation, Cell fires a powerful Kamehameha, but to his dismay, the attack is effortlessly dodged. Infuriated, he gets ready to unleash another attack, but before another opportunity can even present itself, he is sliced in half.
As Kogu gets ready to leave, he is suddenly knocked down by a sucker punch to his face. He looks up and trembles in fear as he sees a completely intact Cell standing right before him. The biological android smiles and mockingly hushes his foe by telling him to reserve his gratitude for the Namekians. With that, he fires a Makankosappo straight through Kogu's heart, and claims himself as the proud victor.
Tao Pai Pai vs Akkuman
-Try as he might, Akkuman is unable to land a single hit on Tao Pai Pai. Uninterested in letting such a futile struggle for survival go on, Tao Pai Pai impales Akkuman with a Dodonpa, and calls it a day.
Buuhan + SSJ Vegetto Potara Fusion vs SSJ4 Goku
-Not willing to admit defeat, despite knowing there isn't even a remote chance of victory, SSJ4 Goku bravely charges the now invincible Majin Buu with full power behind each devastating punch. Unfortunately for the heroic Saiyan, this act of courage proves to be nothing short of hitting a brick wall. Buuhan mercilessly seals the deal by punching his already defeated opponent in the stomach and then incinerating him while he is lifelessly keeling over.
Goku (Saiyan Saga)- Kaioken X5 vs Base Bardock (Episode of Bardock)
-Bardock proudly admits defeat and humbly commends his son for making it so far.![]()
Regardless of that though, I feel it's so much more refreshing to elaborate on some of these scenarios and add some flavor into them.
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I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
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Sounds like fun! Now here's more!
Hypothetical SSGSS3 Vegito vs Doctor Manhattan
Uub (EoZ) vs Android 16
Gaint Piccolo (Saiyan Sega) vs Nappa
Kid Gohan, Krillin and Vegeta (Freeza Sega) vs Freeza's Army (Resurrection F and no Shisami)
Master Roshi + Jaco Fusion Dance (Resurrection F) vs Nappa
Scarface & Shorty vs Raditz
Piccolo (Saiyan Sega) vs Tien, Krillin, Yamcha and Chiaotzu (Saiyan Sega)
Hypothetical SSGSS3 Vegito vs Doctor Manhattan
Uub (EoZ) vs Android 16
Gaint Piccolo (Saiyan Sega) vs Nappa
Kid Gohan, Krillin and Vegeta (Freeza Sega) vs Freeza's Army (Resurrection F and no Shisami)
Master Roshi + Jaco Fusion Dance (Resurrection F) vs Nappa
Scarface & Shorty vs Raditz
Piccolo (Saiyan Sega) vs Tien, Krillin, Yamcha and Chiaotzu (Saiyan Sega)
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Oob wins. I think he's stronger than Innocent Boo.Blocky wrote:Uub (EoZ) vs Android 16
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-Does Manhattan get speedblitzed or does he scatter Vegetto's atoms to the wind? Hmm. Vegetto is pretty cocky; probably the latter.Blocky wrote:Sounds like fun! Now here's more!
Hypothetical SSGSS3 Vegito vs Doctor Manhattan
Uub (EoZ) vs Android 16
Gaint Piccolo (Saiyan Sega) vs Nappa
Kid Gohan, Krillin and Vegeta (Freeza Sega) vs Freeza's Army (Resurrection F and no Shisami)
Master Roshi + Jaco Fusion Dance (Resurrection F) vs Nappa
Scarface & Shorty vs Raditz
Piccolo (Saiyan Sega) vs Tenshinhan, Krillin, Yamcha and Chiaotzu (Saiyan Sega)
-Uub, unless he loses due to self-confidence issues or inexperience or whatever.
-Nappa. Going giant didn't actually help too much; 23rd-Budokai Goku was able to do basically as well against giant Piccolo as he did against regular Piccolo.
-The army. They were giving RF Krillin trouble. And dat laser.
-The fusion. Jaco's power level seemed pretty respectable, and Roshi was...somehow able to take on soldiers that must've been at least in the high hundreds to low thousands BP.
-...Raditz maybe?
-The team. Piccolo wasn't that far above Ten and Krillin at that point, and they have many, many tricks up their collective sleeves.
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