Poll: What's worse, EoB or DB Minus?

[superrayman3]

EoB is the worst. It isn't even canon.

Actually EoB is not worse just for the simple fact it isn't cannon (at leats EoB doesn't have any bearing on the main timeline and isn't meant to be taken seriously), to me Minus is worse because it attempts to officially rewrite major plot points and events that have been established in the franchise for over 10 years.

[OWmyDragonBallz]

Oh, easily Episode of Bardock, no question. For reasons I already explained in the other thread about Super Saiyan Bardock.

Don't get me wrong, Minus is bad, it opens up plot holes, inconsistencies, it's unnecessary and it's trying to replace the much superior TV special... it's just that I hate Episode of Bardock with a passion.

Can you name these plot holes/inconsistencies from DB Minus please? I agree with you, it's just I really want to keep a list of them because I keep forgetting what they are.

The major plot hole is how Raditz even found Goku. Bardock and Gine stole a pod, how could Raditz know which pod contained Goku? And Freeza didn't know about Goku surviving, either, so how could have Raditz known about Goku escaping the planet's destruction? Even if Vegeta and Raditz somehow knew that a space pod left planet Vegeta before its destruction, how could Raditz possibly know that it was Goku and not just a random Saiyan?

The inconsistency is Raditz saying Goku had come to destroy Earth, but you can just say Raditz assumed stuff and was wrong, I guess.

Very plausible inconsistencies. Of course you will get the fans who will try to twist it all up to try and make them fit. But it ends up being way too far fetched.

[FoolsGil]

EoB. We now know who Goku's mom is. That makes Minus worth value.

[fexus]

Episode of Badrock. Dragon Ball Minus is a good story that actually let us know more about the Saiyans. I actually don''t get how Minus actually ruin anything.

[DoomieDoomie911]

I actually don''t get how Minus actually ruin anything.

Most people don't like because of the plot holes it brought with it.

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I actually don''t get how Minus actually ruin anything.

Most people don't like because of the plot holes it brought with it.

Like?

[DoomieDoomie911]

I actually don''t get how Minus actually ruin anything.

Most people don't like because of the plot holes it brought with it.

Like?

The major plot hole is how Raditz even found Goku. Bardock and Gine stole a pod, how could Raditz know which pod contained Goku? And Freeza didn't know about Goku surviving, either, so how could have Raditz known about Goku escaping the planet's destruction? Even if Vegeta and Raditz somehow knew that a space pod left planet Vegeta before its destruction, how could Raditz possibly know that it was Goku and not just a random Saiyan?

The inconsistency is Raditz saying Goku had come to destroy Earth, but you can just say Raditz assumed stuff and was wrong, I guess.

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The major plot hole is how Raditz even found Goku. Bardock and Gine stole a pod, how could Raditz know which pod contained Goku? And Freeza didn't know about Goku surviving, either, so how could have Raditz known about Goku escaping the planet's destruction? Even if Vegeta and Raditz somehow knew that a space pod left planet Vegeta before its destruction, how could Raditz possibly know that it was Goku and not just a random Saiyan?

The inconsistency is Raditz saying Goku had come to destroy Earth, but you can just say Raditz assumed stuff and was wrong, I guess.

Didn't Gine said something about that she is going to tell Raditz?

[Doctor.]

She said she was gonna tell Raditz, but how? Raditz was off-Vegeta. Even if they had used the scouter to contact him, why would they not tell him about Goku going to Earth just to be safe instead of wanting to destroy it? Wouldn't Raditz logically pick up Goku sometime after Vegeta's destruction, or why would he even say Goku was sent there to destroy it anyway. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

[DBZAOTA482]

EoB is bad but it's basically just a high-budget fanfic that somehow got published in the end...

DB Minus, on the other hand, is something Toriyama-sensei wrote himself so it has significance to the main story and what's more.... it shits all over the symbolism in Goku being the low-class reject who ends up being the one to avenge his brothers. On top of all that it's turns Goku's backstory from being inspired by Superman's to a complete rip-off.

So yeah... Minus definitely gets my vote.

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She said she was gonna tell Raditz, but how? Raditz was off-Vegeta. Even if they had used the scouter to contact him, why would they not tell him about Goku going to Earth just to be safe instead of wanting to destroy it? Wouldn't Raditz logically pick up Goku sometime after Vegeta's destruction, or why would he even say Goku was sent there to destroy it anyway. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Maybe they want to cover up. Telling Raditz that Goku was sent to conquer Earth is much safer than telling Raditz that Goku was sent to be safe. Still make sense to me.

[fexus]

EoB is bad but it's basically just a high-budget fanfic that somehow got published in the end...

DB Minus, on the other hand, is something Toriyama-sensei wrote himself so it has significance to the main story and what's more.... it shits all over the symbolism in Goku being the low-class reject who ends up being the one to avenge his brothers. On top of all that it's turns Goku's backstory from being inspired by Superman's to a complete rip-off.

So yeah... Minus definitely gets my vote.

How does it shit on anything? Goku is still a low class saiyan. Badrock still murders people, Goku is still violent when he is found.

[LightBing]

She said she was gonna tell Raditz, but how? Raditz was off-Vegeta. Even if they had used the scouter to contact him, why would they not tell him about Goku going to Earth just to be safe instead of wanting to destroy it? Wouldn't Raditz logically pick up Goku sometime after Vegeta's destruction, or why would he even say Goku was sent there to destroy it anyway. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Maybe they want to cover up. Telling Raditz that Goku was sent to conquer Earth is much safer than telling Raditz that Goku was sent to be safe. Still make sense to me.

That's what I think too. To hide from Freeza's forces they're true intentions. There's a panel where Bardock tell his partner to take his scouter off, because it might be heard what he was saying. Raditz not picking Goku up is only he doesn't care for him. The only reason he came to Earth was because he need his help conquering a planet.

[DBZAOTA482]

EoB is bad but it's basically just a high-budget fanfic that somehow got published in the end...

DB Minus, on the other hand, is something Toriyama-sensei wrote himself so it has significance to the main story and what's more.... it shits all over the symbolism in Goku being the low-class reject who ends up being the one to avenge his brothers. On top of all that it's turns Goku's backstory from being inspired by Superman's to a complete rip-off.

So yeah... Minus definitely gets my vote.

How does it shit on anything? Goku is still a low class saiyan. Badrock still murders people, Goku is still violent when he is found.

He had caring parents who sent him away for his own safety instead of him being weak.

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EoB is bad but it's basically just a high-budget fanfic that somehow got published in the end...

DB Minus, on the other hand, is something Toriyama-sensei wrote himself so it has significance to the main story and what's more.... it shits all over the symbolism in Goku being the low-class reject who ends up being the one to avenge his brothers. On top of all that it's turns Goku's backstory from being inspired by Superman's to a complete rip-off.

So yeah... Minus definitely gets my vote.

How does it shit on anything? Goku is still a low class saiyan. Badrock still murders people, Goku is still violent when he is found.

He had caring parents who sent him away for his own safety instead of him being weak.

I still don't see how that shits on anything or ruining anything at all. Goku is still considered weak but now he had caring parents. That's all.

[Lord Beerus]

EoB is bad but it's basically just a high-budget fanfic that somehow got published in the end...

DB Minus, on the other hand, is something Toriyama-sensei wrote himself so it has significance to the main story and what's more.... it shits all over the symbolism in Goku being the low-class reject who ends up being the one to avenge his brothers. On top of all that it's turns Goku's backstory from being inspired by Superman's to a complete rip-off.

So yeah... Minus definitely gets my vote.

How does it shit on anything? Goku is still a low class saiyan. Badrock still murders people, Goku is still violent when he is found.

He had caring parents who sent him away for his own safety instead of him being weak.

But wasn't Earth the planet chosen to send Goku to, specifically because it was seen as a weak, underdeveloped, backwater planet?

[Rocketman]

"Saiyan strength is measured at birth. You must've been piss-weak to be sent to this shithole."

"So that's why I'm here. Well, I'm grateful. Here we know even lowborns can surpass the elite if they work hard enough!"
"Nuh-uh! I was sent here cause my mummy and daddy wuvved me a whole huggy buggy bunches~! <3"

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"Saiyan strength is measured at birth. You must've been piss-weak to be sent to this shithole."

"So that's why I'm here. Well, I'm grateful. Here we know even lowborns can surpass the elite if they work hard enough!"
"Nuh-uh! I was sent here cause my mummy and daddy wuvved me a whole huggy buggy bunches~! <3"

I don't get you. Earth is still a weak planet. It still makes sense that he is on Earth because he is weak. Having caring parents doesn't at all contradict the second sentence. You need to try harder Rocketman.

[DBZAOTA482]

"Saiyan strength is measured at birth. You must've been piss-weak to be sent to this shithole."

"So that's why I'm here. Well, I'm grateful. Here we know even lowborns can surpass the elite if they work hard enough!"
"Nuh-uh! I was sent here cause my mummy and daddy wuvved me a whole huggy buggy bunches~! <3"

I don't get you. Earth is still a weak planet. It still makes sense that he is on Earth because he is weak. Having caring parents doesn't at all contradict the second sentence. You need to try harder Rocketman.

The point is... he was (originally) outcasted... not protected.

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"Saiyan strength is measured at birth. You must've been piss-weak to be sent to this shithole."

"So that's why I'm here. Well, I'm grateful. Here we know even lowborns can surpass the elite if they work hard enough!"
"Nuh-uh! I was sent here cause my mummy and daddy wuvved me a whole huggy buggy bunches~! <3"

I don't get you. Earth is still a weak planet. It still makes sense that he is on Earth because he is weak. Having caring parents doesn't at all contradict the second sentence. You need to try harder Rocketman.

The point is... he was (originally) outcasted... not protected.

But he himself doesn't know that. Why should being outcasted be better than being protected anyway? Anyway, we don't even know the real story until now. So, being mad that your assumptions is wrong is pretty sad.