The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[DBZAOTA482]

Kaio vs. Saiyan Saga Piccolo
Crane Hermit vs. 23rd WMAT Chi-Chi
3 Moori Namekian Warriors vs. Nappa
Raditz vs. Saiyan Saga Yamcha
Post-RoSaT Piccolo & Post-RoSaT SSJ Future Trunks vs. Exhausted Perfect Cell(after fight with FPSSJ Goku)

-Piccolo underestimates the li'l blue catfish but is in for an unpleasant stomp. King Kai' is at 3500 base level while Piccolo is at 2200 max.
-Crane Hermit at first underestimates the young female warrior by launching a suppressed Dodompa which she casually punches out. Crane is surprised then launches a full-power Dodompa which she deflects with a single Kiai then proceed to give Crane a humiliating beating for his crimes.
-The Moori Namekian Warriors were dominating Freeza's lower level grunts who were likely in the 1000-1500 in BP so if the Namekians work together they have a good chance of wearing Nappa down however Nappa's endurance would ultimately give him the win.
-Yamcha is more powerful than Raditz by this point and is certainly a more skilled fighter but he also has a tendency to underestimate his enemies which is easily exploitable for a dirty fighter like Raditz. So as long as Yamcha doesn't get carried away with victory then he's sure to win.
-Piccolo and Trunks were non-factors against even the Initial Suppressed Perfect Cell plus this Cell himself was confident against fighting Goku even if he ate the senzu and Trunks' plan to gang up on Cell involved everyone so just him and Piccolo won't cut it in the end especially since Cell has so many other advantages.

[Diotor]

Kaio vs. Saiyan Saga Piccolo
Crane Hermit vs. 23rd WMAT Chi-Chi
3 Moori Namekian Warriors vs. Nappa
Raditz vs. Saiyan Saga Yamcha
Post-RoSaT Piccolo & Post-RoSaT SSJ Future Trunks vs. Exhausted Perfect Cell(after fight with FPSSJ Goku)

1. King Kai has more than enough to beat Piccolo. I've always thought Kai would have been only slightly weaker than Nappa and Nappa is considerably more powerful than Piccolo. If he could get lucky he could possibly fire off a SBC and get lucky, but I'm fairly sure Kai would avoid this.

I think Chi Chi would have more than enough to defeat the Crane Hermit, but it wouldn't be an easy fight.

I think the Namekians could possibly do a number on Nappa as they're all around the 3,000 mark. If they could make an effective plan they could easily do more damage than Piccolo/Gohan/Krillin. I'd put this at a 50/50.

Yamcha should have enough to beat Raditz. Both overconfident, so I think Yamcha's slight power advantage would see him through.

Cell. This isn't even close.

[Captain Space]

Kaio vs. Saiyan Saga Piccolo
Crane Hermit vs. 23rd WMAT Chi-Chi
3 Moori Namekian Warriors vs. Nappa
Raditz vs. Saiyan Saga Yamcha
Post-RoSaT Piccolo & Post-RoSaT SSJ Future Trunks vs. Exhausted Perfect Cell(after fight with FPSSJ Goku)

-Kaio (pretty sure he was the strongest thing around at the time barring Goku, Vegeta and Nappa).
-Chi-Chi; I got the sense that Crane Hermit's skills had really faded, much more than Roshi's had.
-If Nappa has the same careless attitude he did fighting the humans and Piccolo, or Goku at first, the Nameks can take him out; if he thinks clearly and doesn't mess around, he can win.
-Yamcha, given how quickly he took out the Saibaman.
-Cell; he didn't seem particularly worried at this point, even urging Goku to take a senzu after their fight if I recall correctly.

[ZombieVito]

Kaio vs. Saiyan Saga Piccolo
Crane Hermit vs. 23rd WMAT Chi-Chi
3 Moori Namekian Warriors vs. Nappa
Raditz vs. Saiyan Saga Yamcha
Post-RoSaT Piccolo & Post-RoSaT SSJ Future Trunks vs. Exhausted Perfect Cell(after fight with FPSSJ Goku)

a) Hard to tell, they have the same BP. I give it to Piccolo because he has the better body for fighting.
b) While the Crane Hermit is weaker (120), he is way more experience than Chi-Chi (130) that the difference in power in a non issue.
c) Nappa still wins.
d) Raditz wins because Yamcha.
e) Cell wins with moderate difficulty.

[Captain Space]

a) Hard to tell, they have the same BP. I give it to Piccolo because he has the better body for fighting.
b) While the Crane Hermit is weaker (120), he is way more experience than Chi-Chi (130) that the difference in power in a non issue.

I mean, I guess, if we're going by random Shonen Jump magazine article BP lists.

[supercat]

Kaio vs. Saiyan Saga Piccolo
Crane Hermit vs. 23rd WMAT Chi-Chi
3 Moori Namekian Warriors vs. Nappa
Raditz vs. Saiyan Saga Yamcha
Post-RoSaT Piccolo & Post-RoSaT SSJ Future Trunks vs. Exhausted Perfect Cell(after fight with FPSSJ Goku)

a) Hard to tell, they have the same BP. I give it to Piccolo because he has the better body for fighting.
b) While the Crane Hermit is weaker (120), he is way more experience than Chi-Chi (130) that the difference in power in a non issue.
c) Nappa still wins.
d) Raditz wins because Yamcha.
e) Cell wins with moderate difficulty.

Yamcha's incompetence and less than impressive power level would lead to his defeat against a good amount of opponents, but Raditz isn't one of them.

[ZombieVito]

Kaio vs. Saiyan Saga Piccolo
Crane Hermit vs. 23rd WMAT Chi-Chi
3 Moori Namekian Warriors vs. Nappa
Raditz vs. Saiyan Saga Yamcha
Post-RoSaT Piccolo & Post-RoSaT SSJ Future Trunks vs. Exhausted Perfect Cell(after fight with FPSSJ Goku)

a) Hard to tell, they have the same BP. I give it to Piccolo because he has the better body for fighting.
b) While the Crane Hermit is weaker (120), he is way more experience than Chi-Chi (130) that the difference in power in a non issue.
c) Nappa still wins.
d) Raditz wins because Yamcha.
e) Cell wins with moderate difficulty.

Yamcha's incompetence and less than impressive power level would lead to his defeat against a good amount of opponents, but Raditz isn't one of them.

Well he did get killed by a weaker opponent. Yamcha isn't exactly that skilled to beat Raditz IMO. Krillin and Tenshinhan on the other hand.

[Doctor.]

Yamcha is probably a lot more skilled than Raditz, he trained with Roshi, Karin and God after all.

[ZombieVito]

Yamcha is probably a lot more skilled than Raditz, he trained with Roshi, Karin and God after all.

He sure doesn't act like it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5DW3w2deP4

[supercat]

Well he did get killed by a weaker opponent. Yamcha isn't exactly that skilled to beat Raditz IMO. Krillin and Tenshinhan on the other hand.

To be fair, it was his probably own carelessness, coupled with the Saibamen's cheap technique that got him killed. Had the Saibamen refrained from self destructing, Yamcha would likely have been able to soundly secure victory.

Barring the desert bandit's careless tendencies, I'd say he still has enough skill to defeat Raditz in hand to hand combat.

[Kaboom]

DBE Piccolo vs. AOU Ultron

If it's limited to one-on-one, I'd give this to Piccolo. But if Ultron has his army of copies... yeah, Piccolo's doomed because of the sheer numbers.

- Yamcha (23rd Tenkaichi Budokai) x Kid Goku (21st Tenkaichi Budokai)
- Yamcha (23rd Tenkaichi Budokai) x Cyborg Tao
- Yamcha (23rd Tenkaichi Budokai) x Tambourine
- Tenshinhan (23rd Tenkaichi Budokai) x Shen (Kami)
- Mutenroshi (RR Arc) x Red Ribbon Army
- Krillin (23rd Tenkaichi Budokai) x Tambourine
- Krillin (23rd Tenkaichi Budokai) x Old Piccolo Damaioh
- Tenshinhan (23rd Tenkaichi Budokai) x Drum
- Tenshinhan (23rd Tenkaichi Budokai) x Piccolo Daimaoh

...I'm just gonna combine all the 23rd TB Earthlings matches into one batch answer. Basically I get the impression that the Earthlings had surpassed just about everyone but young Piccolo, which is what the official numbers support. Shen/Kami and Cyborg Tao may be the exception. Obviously Ten was quite a bit stronger than Tao, but not necessarily the others. Likewise, Kami had Yamcha beaten, but the jury's out on Yamcha and Ten. So...

Poor Yamcha may be the weakest link and have bad luck with tournaments, but I'm sure he's at least capable of taking down Goku from the 21st. Tambourine and Drum are beaten in all their match-ups here, but Drum would still probably beat Yamcha and maybe Kuririn too. Kami beats Ten, but has a hard time doing it. Cyborg Tao ends up beating Yamcha, naturally. Kuririn gives old Piccolo a good fight that could go either way. Young Piccolo still kicks Ten's butt.

Now finally, Muten Roshi versus the Red Ribbon Army... the man himself said he doubted he would have the stamina to pull it off, and I guess I'll take his word for it. Odds are that Roshi would run out of steam before the Army runs out of soldiers.

22nd WMAT Tenshinhan vs. Cymbal
Mutaito v Oozaru Goku(BoS)
Kaio vs. Appule
Imperfect Cell(Post Thousands Civilians Power-Up) vs. SSJ Goten(Pre-RoSaT)
SSJ Bardock vs. 1st Form Freeza

— Goku, Tenshinhan, and Yajirobe are all on the same general level, and Yajirobe beat Cymbal without any advanced ki abilities. Tenshinhan definitely likewise wins WITH them.
— Who knows? We don't have any good estimate of Mutaito's strength aside from some contradictory filler stuff. If nothing else, Oozaru Goku would make a nice big target for the Mafuba.
— I'm betting Kaio wins this one. Just a gut feeling that Appule wasn't very strong.
— You mean Cell when he surpassed Piccolo and matched No.16? Goten's got a HUGE power advantage (stronger than even stage-2 Cell), but Goten's inexperienced and relatively unskilled. All Cell would need to do is stab him once and the fight's over, but the odds of that happening are low.
— Depends on which Bardock you mean. Bardock's power level from the original TV special was "almost 10,000" normally and would thus be just a tiny bit under 500,000 as a Super Saiyan. His fight with Freeza (PL of 530k) could go either way. Bardock from Episode of Bardock is supposedly stronger from healing, but we can't really know how much. Odds are it would give him more of an edge and tip the odds in his favor. "Toriyama's Bardock" from Minus is implied to be somewhat weaker than either of those, probably only half as strong if not less, so Freeza could kill kick his butt.

Universe 7 Four-Armed Red Monster x Super Saiyan Goku (Namek Arc)

Uh... I'm gonna bet a bunch of fictional Zeni on the Super Saiyan. If only because even Beerus still considered beating Freeza a sign of abnormal strength, but the 4-armed red dude left him thoroughly unimpressed.

Base Vegeta(Pre-BOG) vs SSJ Trunks & SSJ Goten(Post-ROSAT)

There's a huge difference in fighting skill between Vegeta and the kids... but unfortunately, them being Super Saiyan means there's also a huge power difference. They're on par with Perfect Cell's suppressed states, in my book, while base Goku and Vegeta haven't surpassed 100% Freeza. That's like a 10x difference at least. If the kids fight him seriously, he goes down hard. But let Vegeta go Super Saiyan too, and that's instantly reversed.

70% Beerus vs. Golden Freeza (peak)
*Assume Freeza has overcome his Golden form's rapid ki-consumption, and can sustain max power for an extended period of time.

My gut tells me Freeza could win this, but it's a very difficult fight and by no means a sure thing.

Super Saiyan Kid Trunks (post-RoSaT) vs. Dabra

Dabra wins. He was able to go toe-to-toe with SS Gohan, and rusty or not, Gohan's still a lot stronger and more skilled than either of the kids.

Kaio vs. Saiyan Saga Piccolo
Crane Hermit vs. 23rd WMAT Chi-Chi
3 Moori Namekian Warriors vs. Nappa
Raditz vs. Saiyan Saga Yamcha
Post-RoSaT Piccolo & Post-RoSaT SSJ Future Trunks vs. Exhausted Perfect Cell(after fight with FPSSJ Goku)

— Their power levels are about equal (both officially at 3,500), but Kaio is a much better teacher than a fighter himself, while as a Warrior-type Namekian Piccolo is literally BORN to fight. Kaio loses.
— Hard to tell. Chi-Chi's got plenty of raw power, but unlike the Crane Hermit she doesn't seem to have any proficiency for ki techniques, which may be what wins the fight for Crane.
— Going to say the Namekian warriors win this one. Three powers of 3,000 can wear down a power of 4,000, even a particularly durable one like Nappa. But he may very well take one of them down with him.
— I think Yamcha actually wins here. Their power levels are super-close, but as an Earthling fighter Yamcha has skill- and technique-based advantages that Raditz doesn't.
— This would be difficult, but with Piccolo backing him up, Trunks might be able to do it. Make it Vegeta and Trunks instead and the odds are much better, just because of having more power.

[Captain Space]

— Going to say the Namekian warriors win this one. Three powers of 3,000 can wear down a power of 4,000, even a particularly durable one like Nappa. But he may very well take one of them down with him.

The 4,000 thing for Nappa always bugged me. This is the guy who fought pretty much evenly with Goku once he calmed down.

— I think Yamcha actually wins here. Their power levels are super-close, but as an Earthling fighter Yamcha has skill- and technique-based advantages that Raditz doesn't.

Oh, that's a good point, hadn't thought of that. Considering how much trouble a couple vastly-weaker Earth-trained fighters were able to give Raditz, by confusing the hell out of him with their fluctuating powers and so on...

[Diotor]

I've always thought Nappa should have been closer to 6,000, as he shakes off Piccolo and Gohan like they were virtually nothing.

[Captain Space]

I mean, maybe he was more like 6-8,000. The 4,000 number was only in a Jump issue, I think. Or possibly the Daizenshuu but I don't think so. Either way it wouldn't be absolute by any means.

[Kaboom]

Nappa's 4,000 was originally in a Jump article, but has been repeated in lots of things, including the Daizenshuu and even as recent as tidbits within the Full-Color manga volumes. So clearly Shueisha has no misgivings about it. Guidebooks also point out things like Goku "treating Nappa like a child" in their fight, and we can see him even praising Nappa for his performance, so perhaps Nappa wasn't truly putting up as much of a fight as he thought. Combine that with his evidently insane durability (the dude outright tanked a self-destruct and a kikoho), and a PL of around 4,000 can work fine.

There's a lot of points that could be made and discussion that could be had, but the middle of a larger "Versus" thread probably isn't the place for it.

[Captain Space]

Nappa's 4,000 was originally in a Jump article, but has been repeated in lots of things, including the Daizenshuu and even as recent as tidbits within the Full-Color manga volumes. So clearly Shueisha has no misgivings about it. Guidebooks also point out things like Goku "treating Nappa like a child" in their fight, and we can see him even praising Nappa for his performance, so perhaps Nappa wasn't truly putting up as much of a fight as he thought. Combine that with his evidently insane durability (the dude outright tanked a self-destruct and a kikoho), and a PL of around 4,000 can work fine.

There's a lot of points that could be made and discussion that could be had, but the middle of a larger "Versus" thread probably isn't the place for it.

Yeah, fair enough, don't want to get bogged down on a minor point like this for too long.

[LightBing]

SSJ2 Goku (Super) vs Mr Buu

Kaioshin and Kibito vs #17,#18,#16,#20 and #19 - Scenario:Alternate Future, the androids all work under #20. 3 years after the Z-Senshi have been wipe out.

Karin vs Kame Sennin

[Captain Space]

SSJ2 Goku (Super) vs Mr Buu

Kaioshin and Kibito vs #17,#18,#16,#20 and #19 - Scenario:Alternate Future, the androids all work under #20. 3 years after the Z-Senshi have been wipe out.

Karin vs Kame Sennin

-Buu; I doubt just six months would change the fight going down anything different to how Majin Vegeta vs. Fat Buu went.

-Kaioshin and Kibito. I'm pretty sure Piccolo was well above #16 by the Buu Saga, and Kaioshin's power was a real shock to Piccolo even before he knew who the guy was. (All of them vs. Buu Saga Piccolo would be more questionable, and I'm pretty sure with all five of them they could definitely handle Cell Games Piccolo.)

-Karin; he was well above 21st Roshi. Then again, by the 22nd he'd powered up, so maybe he could take Karin by then, considering how many odd techniques he has at his disposal?

[Galan007]

There's a huge difference in fighting skill between Vegeta and the kids... but unfortunately, them being Super Saiyan means there's also a huge power difference. They're on par with Perfect Cell's suppressed states, in my book

Really? What makes you think they're on-par with Perfect Cell(suppressed)..?

Or are you just applying a theoretical level, based on their brief sparring sessions with Gohan and Vegeta respectively, as well as their battle with #18 at the WMAT..?

[TheGmGoken]

Golden Freeza, Goku, Vegeta, and Beerus vs Whis

I can see them getting stomp because Freeza's pride and cockiness, Saiyan Pride, and Beerus's...need for competition.

We rarely use personality in these versus battles