The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Lord Gogeta]

I thought the Anime Films Guide said Super Vegito is PERHAPS stronger then SSJ4 Goku Baby Saga, since it made during Baby and S17 arc .

So by that logic Base Vegito VS Super Baby 2
Is a good balanced match up

[Diotor]

Langfang vs. Videl (no flying)

I'm guessing you mean Ranfan, right? Because if so, Videl gets her ass kicked.

What does Ranfan actually do to warrant that? She uses her looks to get as far as she did in the tournament and showed little to no fighting skills in the brief moments she was shown.

I'll give this to Videl, she's stronger than the vast majority of normal humans.

[Lunatic Fringe]

Langfang vs. Videl (no flying)

I'm guessing you mean Ranfan, right? Because if so, Videl gets her ass kicked.

What does Ranfan actually do to warrant that? She uses her looks to get as far as she did in the tournament and showed little to no fighting skills in the brief moments she was shown.

I'll give this to Videl, she's stronger than the vast majority of normal humans.

She might not be as refined as a fighter when it comes to technique, but she had enough raw power to hurt Nam, someone who's nearly on par with 21st WMAT Goku. One good punch from her and Videl's out like a light.

[Captain Space]

I thought the Anime Films Guide said Super Vegito is PERHAPS stronger then SSJ4 Goku Baby Saga, since it made during Baby and S17 arc .

So by that logic Base Vegito VS Super Baby 2
Is a good balanced match up

I'd say that the "perhaps" is still an indicator that they're in the same vague region. So I'd still give the fight to Baby.

She might not be as refined as a fighter when it comes to technique, but she had enough raw power to hurt Nam, someone who's nearly on par with 21st WMAT Goku. One good punch from her and Videl's out like a light.

Yeah, I agree with this. Nam was able to have a pretty good fight with Goku (who could already move that enormous boulder of Roshi's, kick down brick walls, etc.) and had enough strength to jump hundreds of metres in the air. I don't see a hit from Videl hurting him the way Ranfan's did.

[DBZAOTA482]

Langfang vs. Videl (no flying)

I'm guessing you mean Ranfan, right? Because if so, Videl gets her ass kicked.

What does Ranfan actually do to warrant that? She uses her looks to get as far as she did in the tournament and showed little to no fighting skills in the brief moments she was shown.

I'll give this to Videl, she's stronger than the vast majority of normal humans.

She managed to hurt Nam... though Nam had his guard down and was intimidated by Femme Fatale. Besides, it's not like Videl did anything impressive outside learn how to fly.

[Captain Space]

She managed to hurt Nam... though Nam had his guard down and was intimidated by Femme Fatale. Besides, it's not like Videl did anything impressive outside learn how to fly.

I still think Ranfan would win, but it's worth noting that Videl was stronger than Hercule, who had all his smashing-blocks, punching-through-buses stuff.

[Diotor]

According to Dragonball Wikia:

The movie pamphlet for Dragon Ball Z: The Tree of Might states that Ranfan has a power level of 80.

If this is true (it says Nam is around 100) then yeah, Videl is easy meat for her. I stand corrected.

[Captain Space]

According to Dragonball Wikia:

The movie pamphlet for Dragon Ball Z: The Tree of Might states that Ranfan has a power level of 80.

If this is true (it says Nam is around 100) then yeah, Videl is easy meat for her. I stand corrected.

Not sure how whoever wrote the movie pamphlet for Tree of Might would know what Ranfan and Nam's power levels are XD

[LightBing]

I think it would be good practice to mention if we are taking numbers from a source or just from our perception.

Langfang vs. Videl (no flying)

From my perception I give this one to Videl , Gohan says she's stronger than Mr.Satan who by it's feats is above regulars strong humans. Now, even if we choose to discredit Gohan since he's quite possibly talking out of his ass. Videl's efforts versus Spopovich are better than Ranfan vs Nam, where the last mainly relied on her sexiness to fight only displaying. slight above average attacks.
Videl wins; but takes a kick to the side with a slight grin of pain.

[AvatarReiko]

Base Gotenks(Pre-ROSAT) vs Super Perfect Cell.
Two SSJ3 Gotenks' vs Super Buu
SSJ Vegeta(Post-ROSAT) vs Imperfect Cell, 17, Kamiccolo & 16

Can the following characters survive a direct hit from these attacks. If yes, how much damage would they receive?

1.) Final Flash(Against Perfect Cell) vs MSSJ Goku
2.) Vegeta's Final Explosion vs Super Jenemba
3.) SGKA from SSJ3 Gotenks vs Mystic Gohan
4.) Goku's IT Kamehameha(against Cell) vs SSJ2 Kid Gohan
5.) Genki Dama from Android saga Goku vs Perfect Cell

[TheGmGoken]

Akkuman vs Golden Freeza

[Captain Space]

Base Gotenks(Pre-ROSAT) vs Super Perfect Cell.
Two SSJ3 Gotenks' vs Super Buu
SSJ Vegeta(Post-ROSAT) vs Imperfect Cell, 17, Kamiccolo & 16

Can the following characters survive a direct hit from these attacks. If yes, how much damage would they receive?

1.) Final Flash(Against Perfect Cell) vs MSSJ Goku
2.) Vegeta's Final Explosion vs Super Jenemba
3.) SGKA from SSJ3 Gotenks vs Mystic Gohan
4.) Goku's IT Kamehameha(against Cell) vs SSJ2 Kid Gohan
5.) Genki Dama from Android saga Goku vs Perfect Cell

-Even though he thought Gotenks couldn't go SSJ after fusing, Piccolo thought base Gotenks might be able to fight Super Buu; Goku held no such illusions about even a Majin Vegeta level fighter doing so. So I give this one to Gotenks. EDIT: Oh, *Pre" RoSaT? Probably Cell. He's probably stronger, and even if Gotenks is stronger it wouldn't be by much, and Cell's regeneration, Gotenks' time limit, etc., etc.

-Honestly? Buu. Gotenks could've beaten Buu if he hadn't screwed around so much. Two Gotenks' would just argue and get in each others' way, and take even more time. Their five minutes runs out and Buu eats two Goten's and two Trunks'.

-As in post the first RoSaT trip? If so, the team for sure. If after the second one (i.e. Cell Games SSJ Vegeta)...harder to say.

1. He'd die; he was, after all, equal with or slightly weaker than Cell even at the level Cell was using at the time, and Cell's regeneration was all that saved him.

2. Janemba's durability was way out of proportion with his other stats; I say he survives, but takes some damage.

3. Gohan was stronger than Gotenks, but not by that much; he'd probably die to a full SGKA barrage. (Maybe he could survive just one?)

4. Cell Games Goku < Cell (vs Goku) < Cell's full power, SSJ Gohan < SPC < SSJ2 Gohan. So...Gohan probably survives just fine, I guess?

Akkuman vs Golden Freeza

Freeza. As we saw when he "fought" Gohan, RF Freeza doesn't mess around when it comes to vastly-weaker opponents. I don't think Akkuman would get the chance to fire his OTK beam.

[supercat]

Base Gotenks(Pre-ROSAT) vs Super Perfect Cell.
Two SSJ3 Gotenks' vs Super Buu
SSJ Vegeta(Post-ROSAT) vs Imperfect Cell, 17, Kamiccolo & 16

Can the following characters survive a direct hit from these attacks. If yes, how much damage would they receive?

1.) Final Flash(Against Perfect Cell) vs MSSJ Goku
2.) Vegeta's Final Explosion vs Super Jenemba
3.) SGKA from SSJ3 Gotenks vs Mystic Gohan
4.) Goku's IT Kamehameha(against Cell) vs SSJ2 Kid Gohan
5.) Genki Dama from Android saga Goku vs Perfect Cell

-Base Gotenks gets one-shotted. Even after spending time in the RoSaT, there's no way Gotenks could even conceive of tangling with Cell while merely in his base form. Going Super Saiyan, however, would instantly turn the tables.

-One SSJ3 Gotenks who takes the fight seriously enough should suffice.

1. I'm assuming you mean FPSSJ Goku (Cell Games). If so, he would likely be blasted to the brink of death. Had it not been for his regeneration, Perfect Cell would have suffered a similar fate. With that being said, since FPSSJ Goku is likely a bit stronger than Perfect Cell (against Trunks), he may have the ki / durability necessitated to pull through.

2. Janemba laughs maliciously as he discovers that the proud prince has been reduced to nothing but ashes.

Although one could attribute Majin Buu's survival to his insane regeneration, the immense amount of power Super Janemba has over Buu should grant him with enough defense to casually survive anything Majin Vegeta has to offer.

3. Ultimate Gohan collides head-on with the little ghosts and congratulates Gotenks for not only obtaining such great levels of power, but learning how to utilize that power in the form of such interesting attacks.

4. Gohan tanks the blast with a few minor scrapes at the most.

5. Cell catches the giant ball of energy with both his hands, and effortlessly kicks it straight back at his opponent.

Akkuman vs Golden Freeza

Without having a reason to tolerate Akkuman's existence, Frieza would incinerate him in a matter of seconds.

[Captain Space]

5.) Genki Dama from Android saga Goku vs Perfect Cell

Forgot this one.

Cell should be fine. It's essentially the same kind of Genkidama that couldn't kill 50% Freeza.

[LightBing]

Base Gotenks(Pre-ROSAT) vs Super Perfect Cell.
Two SSJ3 Gotenks' vs Super Buu
SSJ Vegeta(Post-ROSAT) vs Imperfect Cell, 17, Kamiccolo & 16

Can the following characters survive a direct hit from these attacks. If yes, how much damage would they receive?

1.) Final Flash(Against Perfect Cell) vs MSSJ Goku
2.) Vegeta's Final Explosion vs Super Jenemba
3.) SGKA from SSJ3 Gotenks vs Mystic Gohan
4.) Goku's IT Kamehameha(against Cell) vs SSJ2 Kid Gohan
5.) Genki Dama from Android saga Goku vs Perfect Cell

- Gotenks gets destroyed, I see Cell having a big power advantage and little patience to deal with shenanigans.
- I they don't stupidly mess up, the chances are high for them to win. A serious of well coordinated attacks and Buu would be blown into nothingness.
- Vegeta wins with difficulty because he has prior knowledge of the never ending energy of the androids, if he makes the mistake of letting the fight drag on he's doomed.

- Goku dies and misses some bodyparts
- Did Janemba had regeneration? If he didn't he's dead.
- Gohan survives but takes heavy damage. Enough to make him lose if he was to fight SS3 Gotenks afterwards.
- Gohan survives with decent damage, besides the power, the surprise factor was very important for this attack effectiveness. His opponents wouldn't be able to properly defend themselves, but Gohan would do it better than Cell because of better reaction time.
- Isn't the Genki Dama independent of the user, I assume Android Goku could make it as powerful as he could. But then didn't Goku use it against Cell? Honestly I'm not sure.

Akkuman vs Golden Freeza

Freeza let's Akkuman use his ultimate attack to show off his superiority, in this case bad guys are the ones to finish last.

[supercat]

SSJ Vegeta(Post-ROSAT) vs Imperfect Cell, 17, Kamiccolo & 16

Not sure how I missed this one.

Vegeta makes quick work of the group with an exceptional amount of ease. If he gets right down to business, I'm pretty sure he would make it out completely unscathed.

[Captain Space]

- Isn't the Genki Dama independent of the user, I assume Android Goku could make it as powerful as he could. But then didn't Goku use it against Cell? Honestly I'm not sure.

He did not.

[Kaboom]

SSJ2 Goku (Super) vs Mr Buu
Kaioshin and Kibito vs #17,#18,#16,#20 and #19 - Scenario:Alternate Future, the androids all work under #20. 3 years after the Z-Senshi have been wipe out.
Karin vs Kame Sennin

— If Boo really did lose over half his power from his split, then Goku can win this. It won't be a breeze for him though.
— Kaioshin alone could destroy all these Androids at the same time with a wave of his hand. If necessary, Kibito could hold off 19 and 20 on his own for a little while.
— Muten Roshi in his normal state would get his butt kicked, but if he buffed up he could have a fighting chance.

Side note: Karin's 190 power level can work with a little situational creativity. Goku's power of 180 was from the tournament, equal to Tenshinhan. But then Goku gets nearly killed by Piccolo, recovers via a senzu... and THEN Karin admits Goku has surpassed him. Catch my drift?

There's a huge difference in fighting skill between Vegeta and the kids... but unfortunately, them being Super Saiyan means there's also a huge power difference. They're on par with Perfect Cell's suppressed states, in my book

Really? What makes you think they're on-par with Perfect Cell(suppressed)..?
Or are you just applying a theoretical level, based on their brief sparring sessions with Gohan and Vegeta respectively, as well as their battle with #18 at the WMAT..?

For the most part, it's just where they ended up. As Super Saiyans they're quite a bit stronger than Eighteen even when holding back, quite a bit weaker than Gohan or Vegeta but still strong enough to be half-decent training partners for them, and more or less on-par with Piccolo. All put together that just happens to leave them around Perfect Cell's lower suppressed levels. And I'm talking the range of power he used against Vegeta and Trunks, not later against Goku.

Golden Freeza, Goku, Vegeta, and Beerus vs Whis

If it were just a matter of power, then the group might have a chance through strength in numbers. But Whis is a freaky dude with weird abilities, and odds are he's got something up his sleeve that would still let him win.

What about Super Baby 2 VS Base Vegito?

Super Vegetto could take this about as easily as SS4 Goku could, but not base Vegetto who's 50x weaker than that. He gets positively wrecked.

Gohan (2nd form Freeza beatdown zenkai) vs. 1st form Freeza

If his official 200,000 level was from the start of the fight, then his healing boost might have brought him up to about 300,000 or so. Still quite a bit weaker than Freeza's 530,000. So barring any more rage boosts, Gohan still gets his butt kicked.

SSJGSSJ Vegetto VS Super Buu ( Super Perfect Cell and Golden Freeza absorbed)

If this is Goku and Vegeta from Resurrection F fusing, then... Vegetto wins. It's still unclear what kind of power boost SSGSS provides or how compatible god-power is with Fusion, but I'm sure Vegetto in the form would be at least moderately stronger than Goku or Vegeta. Either of them was already capable of fighting Golden Freeza, and Boo and Cell's powers added to that wouldn't make any significant difference.

Langfang vs. Videl (no flying)

Videl wins. I think she's got at least a moderate raw strength advantage over LanFan from learning to use ki. To be honest, the numbers in that DBZ Movie 3 pamphlet are all kinds of wacky for almost everything but the actual Movie 3 characters. I'd take any others with a huge grain of salt.

Base Gotenks(Pre-ROSAT) vs Super Perfect Cell.
Two SSJ3 Gotenks' vs Super Buu
SSJ Vegeta(Post-ROSAT) vs Imperfect Cell, 17, Kamiccolo & 16

Can the following characters survive a direct hit from these attacks. If yes, how much damage would they receive?

1.) Final Flash(Against Perfect Cell) vs MSSJ Goku
2.) Vegeta's Final Explosion vs Super Jenemba
3.) SGKA from SSJ3 Gotenks vs Mystic Gohan
4.) Goku's IT Kamehameha(against Cell) vs SSJ2 Kid Gohan
5.) Genki Dama from Android saga Goku vs Perfect Cell

— Remember how Mr. Satan rushed Cell, delivered a huge flurry of blows that Cell didn't even feel, and then got KO'd with one casual swipe? Yeah, same end result for Gotenks here.
— A single SS3 Gotenks was already on the verge of defeating Boo before the form drained his energy and Fusion time away. Two such Gotenkses can finish the job in half that time.
— I think the sheer number of opponents stacks the odds slightly against Vegeta here. It's like a 2/5 chance of victory for him, or something like that.

1) If Goku defends against it, he takes the attack unharmed. If he doesn't, then he gets kinda messed up but survives.
2) Janemba emerges unscathed and laughs.
3) Gohan is only a little bit stronger than Gotenks and the Kamikaze Ghosts are brutally powerful. Gohan gets pretty badly hurt from them.
4) Gohan tanks the attack pretty easily. If he did nothing to defend against it, he'd only be mildly hurt.
5) The power of the Spirit Bomb isn't dependent upon the user, it's dependent on how much outside energy is donated to it. You'd have to tell us who Goku's pulling power from for this match.

Akkuman vs Golden Freeza

The Devilmite beam WOULD defeat Freeza... if Devilman had any chance of hitting him with it. He'd have to appeal to Freeza's arrogance and goad him into thinking it's a normal ki attack and trying to tank it.

[Chou_Gohan]

- Semi-Cell vs Super Android 13
- Chi chi vs Videl (post training)
- Base Vegito vs SSjin 3 Goku

[SSJ God Gogeta]

- Semi-Cell vs Super Android 13
- Chi chi vs Videl (post training)
- Base Vegito vs SSjin 3 Goku

Cell should have this.
Chi Chi beats Videl easy. Since she can't fly it's even worse for her.
Vegetto...