In Brightest Day wrote:- Chaozu (Saiyan arc) vs. Jaco (DB Minus).
- Bardocks crew (Toma, Seripa, Pambukin, Totepo) vs. Piccolo and 3 Namekian warriors.
- Freeza's henchmen from the beginning of Namek (Raspberry, Appule, etc.) vs. Piccolo, Tenshinhan, Krillin, Yamcha and Son Gohan (Saiyan arc).
- SSJ Vegeta vs. SSJ Future Trunks and Piccolo (Android arc).
— I'd say the odds are slightly in Jaco's favor. I think his power level is pushing 1,000 in the events of his titular manga. Powerful enough to be an effective patrolman but too weak to face the average adult Saiyan
(assuming Raditz at 1,500 represents such a level). Chaozu's psychic tricks and ki proficiency may be a problem for him, but I'd say Jaco will still win 2 out of 3 times or so.
— Barring any use of Oozaru, I think the Namekians win this. The power levels a work are all similar, but the Namekians have extra tricks that Saiyans don't. As I always say, even just the ability to naturally sense ki grants someone a huge tactical advantage.
— I'm not sure what kind of power estimate we have on Freeza's goons, but I'd think the combined might of the Earthlings team, along with their bizarre rare ki tricks, let them emerge victorious.
— Trunks isn't TOO far behind Goku or Vegeta, and if he and Piccolo work well enough together, I expect they could take Vegeta down.
AvatarReiko wrote:How can Base Gotenks be that weak if his Super Saiyan form is in the same realm as super Saiyan 3 Goku?
Because Super Saiyan 3 is "only" about 8x stronger than Super Saiyan 1. Even IF Gotenks was roughly on that level as a Super Saiyan, his base form would be 50x weaker than that, and substantially below Goku or Vegeta at Super Saiyan 1 or 2. So even if base Goku is barely any weaker than 100% Freeza, and Gotenks really is 8x stronger than him, by my
conservative estimates he would only be about as strong as Stage-2 Cell. But I don't think he's that far ahead of Goku. Hence my answer to the match-up being what it is.
AvatarReiko wrote:There is nothing that suggests that he was at his maximum base PL when Beerus examined him.
There's nothing at all to suggest that he wasn't, either. If he WAS relaxed, and Beerus WAS wrong, but nothing happens to REVEAL that he's wrong, then the line has no reason to even be in the movie. There were plenty of opportunities to drop such a particular tidbit of info, but it never happened. So either the "base Goku < Freeza" estimate is true, or it has no reason to exist. I opt to believe that it's true. End of story until Toriyama changes his mind and says otherwise, as far as I'm concerned.
Lord Beerus wrote:- Base Gotenks (Pre-ROSAT) vs Movie 10 LSSJ Broly
- Golden Freeza vs Syn Shenron
- Chi Chi vs 22nd WMAT Jackie Chun
- Cyborg Tao vs Kami
- Piccolo (Post Kami Fusion) vs SSJ Vegeta (Post-ROSAT)
- Dr Wheelo vs Zarbon and Dodoria
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For this match-up, Hulk will play the part of Broli, while base Gotenks is portrayed by Loki. Gotenks would need his RoSaT training and Super Saiyan to take down this version of Broli.
— Not enough info, no comparison possible, etc etc. Pass.
— "Jackie Chun" wins. Chi-Chi's raw power is comparable to his, but she hasn't displayed any proficiency with USING her ki in the advanced ways that Roshi has. If he catches her with the Banko... Bunki...that shocky-beam move, she's not going to have any way to escape it.
— I'm betting Kami wins, unless he's been slacking off for a few years or something.
— I assume you mean Vegeta's first RoSaT trip. In which case, Vegeta wins pretty easily. The implication seems to be that Vegeta became so strong that he could have feasibly fought Stage-2 Cell with just Super Saiyan, without going up to Grade 2. Needless to say that would put him way up above Piccolo, who was on-par with only No.17.
— Based on him matching Goku's Kaio-Ken-boosted Kamehameha and his power further rising even after that, Dr. Wheelo's power level probably capped out above the average of the Ginyu Force. Pretty sure he could manhandle both Zarbon and Dodoria at the same time.
Hellspawn28 wrote:Base ROF Goku vs. Hirudegarn
Not enough info. We're shown that SSGSS is a significant boost over whatever Goku's normal form is now, but we don't know by how much, nor how either level of power compares to even the strongest pre-Beerus villains.
LightBing wrote:Ginyu Force vs Planet Vegeta (Minus) - This is an invasion, Bardock is suspicious and convinces a few Saiyans to get in stand by and ready for defense. King Vegeta is in the Planet. It was said that they numbered in the few thousands.
The Ginyu Force gets slaughtered if the Saiyans are allowed to use false moons to go Oozaru. If not... then the Ginyu Force probably wins in the end just from a sheer power advantage.
Hero wrote:1. 23rd WMAT Yamcha vs. Old King Piccolo
2. 23rd WMAT Tenshinhan vs. Young King Piccolo
3. Beginning of Z Tenshinhan vs 23rd WMAT Goku
4. Raditz vs 1 Saibaman
5. Raditz vs 2 Saibamen
6. Saiyan Saga Yamcha vs Raditz
7. Saiyan Saga Yamcha vs 2 Raditzes
— Tenshinhan wins his first matchup, but loses the other two. The official numbers put him still somewhat behind King Piccolo at the start of DBZ.
— Raditz wins both his fights. He has a good power advantage over the Saibaimen, and his intelligence and fighting talent even lets him beat two of them with considerable effort. Three of them would probably be a little too much.
— Yamcha can handily beat Raditz one-on-one, because their powers are about equal but Yamcha has a skill advantage because of his Earthling tricks (sensing ki, attack power amplification, etc). But the combined strength of TWO Raditzes is too much for him to handle.
Noah wrote:- Future SSJ Gohan x Future Android #17 (it is implied in special 2 that he could beat the android one-on-one, but in the manga not all)
- Future SSJ Gohan x SSJ Goku (After Yardrat or after 3 years training)
- Future SSJ Gohan x Mecha Freeza, King Cold
- Future SSJ Trunks x SSJ Goku (In Namek or after Yardrat)
- SSJ Goku (against #19) x Future Android 18
- Piccolo (Post RoSaT) x Semi Perfect Cell
- Piccolo (Post RoSaT) x Super Vegeta (against Cell)
- FPSSJ Goku, FPSSJ Gohan x Perfect Cell
- Majin Vegeta x Super Perfect Cell
- LSSJ Broly (M8) x Perfect Cell
- LSSJ Broly (M10) x SSJ2 Teen Gohan (Android Arc)
- SSJ Gotenks (Post or Before RoSaT) x Super Perfect Cell
- Majin Boo (before split) x Super Perfect Cell
— Nah, even in the animated version, Gohan was no match for the Androids. They were toying with him. Gohan loses.
— Gohan loses to Goku here, too. Trunks was already stronger than Gohan but more or less on-par with Goku when they met.
— Gohan might be able to beat Freeza one-on-one, but gets overwhelmed if Cold joins the fight.
— If it's freshly-transformed Namek Goku, Trunks wins by a power advantage. If they go all-out in a serious fight when they met on Earth, Goku wins mostly due to a skill advantage.
— If Goku's sickness is a factor, he loses, because he even starts the battle off weaker than he should be. If he's healthy, then Goku kicks Future 18's ass.
— Piccolo wins. In my book he's ended up on par with "Super Vegeta," and we all saw how Cell did against that level of power.
— That said, this is an even match that could go either way. I think Piccolo might have a slight advantage though, because of his natural abilities and Grade 2's high-stress weakness.
— Depends on which version of Perfect Cell. If it's Cell at the level of power he fought Goku with, the two Super Saiyans eventually overwhelm him. If he ramps up to his full power, then Goku and Gohan get their butts kicked.
— Cell gets wreeeeecked. Super Perfect Cell was more or less as strong as SS2 Gohan, and Goku and Vegeta were both stronger than him.
— Full-Power Perfect Cell would be equally as powerful as this version of Broli, and would win due to a skill and smarts advantage.
— Assuming you mean Gohan at the Cell Games... well, doesn't matter, since he's not strong enough either way. I consider Movie 10 Broli to be even a bit stronger than SS2 Goku and Vegeta. Gohan gets overpowered.
— Pre-RoSaT Super Saiyan Gotenks is evenly matched with Cell in power, and can possibly win as long as he doesn't screw around. I think the odds are slightly in Cell's favor though. But post-RoSaT Gotenks is more than twice as strong as that, and can eradicate Cell easily.
— Cell is no match for Boo in terms of power. Worst case scenario is that Boo eventually realizes that Cell will only stay down if he's completely blown to bits. Best case scenario is that Cell gets so worn out from the beatdowns and regenerating that he just can't fight back any more.
LightBing wrote:Piccolo with Kaioken x30 (Super) gauntlet: <snip>
You mean Piccolo from Super? Well we don't know how much he's improved, if at all. But going off how strong I think he is during the Boo arc... with a Kaio-Ken x30 he rather easily blazes through everyone up to and including Pure Boo. But there's a big strength difference between that and Evil Boo, and Piccolo's power caps out within that gap. So Evil Boo whoops his butt.
SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta (Cell Games) vs. Super Saiyan Kid Gohan (Cell Games)
Vegeta wins. His power puts him just a tad above Gohan's power in my book, and his ferocity and tenacity outweighs Gohan's natural ease in using Super Saiyan.
ThatGuyNamedChancey wrote:Super Saiyan 3 Goku (EoZ) vs. Ultimate Gohan (EoZ)
Battle Conditions: unlimited stamina; Ultimate Gohan handicapped to 85% of his full power
Unless Gohan's power has
drastically degraded over those ten years, 85% is still plenty for Gohan to kick his dad's butt. I'm sure Goku's improved, but age would start being a factor and his increases would start to plateau. At best, Goku might be a match for about half of Gohan's power.
Dbzfan94 wrote:SSJ2 Kid Goten and SSJ2 Kid Trunks (Buu Saga) vs Super Perfect Cell
Super Saiyan 2 would only put them on par with Super Saiyan Gohan from the Cell Games, in my book. Super Perfect Cell is roughly twice as strong as that and can smack down both kids at the same time.
Noah wrote:- SSJ Kid Trunks x Android #18
- SSJ Kid Goten, SSJ Kid Trunks x Android #18
- Majin Vegeta x Mr. Boo
- Ultimate Gohan x SSJ3 Goku (Dead and Alive)
- Ultimate Gohan x Kid Boo
- SSJ3 Gotenks x SSJ3 Goku (Dead and Alive)
- SSJ3 Gotenks x Kid Boo
- LSSJ3 Broly x SSJ3 Goku
- LSSJ3 Broly x Ultimate Gohan
— Either of the kids could beat Eighteen easily if they go all-out. They just have too big of a power advantage.
— If this is Boo after his evil half split off, and it really did permanently take half his power with it, then Vegeta can win. I think Fat Boo's full power was about double of his or Goku's, and so having less than half of that left would obviously leave Boo weaker than them.
— By my arbitrary figures, Gohan is several times stronger than either SS3 Goku or Pure Boo, who are roughly equals. Gohan can eradicate either one of them easily.
— Same deal. SS3 Gotenks is only a little bit weaker than Ultimate Gohan, and can smack down Goku or Pure Boo like it ain't no thang.
— "Legendary" Super Saiyan 3 Broli is only moderately stronger than SS3 Goku as far as I'm concerned, but he would probably still lose against him. Goku is smarter and more skilled than him, and will be able to either outperform him offensively or outlast him by staying defensive. Even if Broli's got something going on where his ki replenishes itself, I bet it would be outweighed by SS3's insane drain and Broli's wasteful and sloppy fighting style; all those big showy energy balls are just going to sap his ki away even faster. Gohan, meanwhile, is just way stronger and could decapitate Broli with a single punch if he wanted to.
Blocky wrote:Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta (Cell Games) vs Super Pefect Cell
Raditz (w/ Venom Symbiote) vs BoZ Goku and Piccolo
Suppressed Fat Buu vs Piccolo + Krillin Fusion Dance (Buu Sega)
Tenshinhan, Yamcha and Chiaotzu (EoZ) vs Third form Freeza.
Eis Shenron vs Super 17 (Post-KKx10)
Red SSJG Vegeta vs 70% Beerus
Zarbon VS Guldo
Tenshinhan VS Krillin (23rd Budokai)
— Vegeta can't win here. Like I answered in another match-up above, SS2 would only put him around as strong as SS Gohan. Super Perfect Cell would be roughly twice as strong as that.
— Depends on which version of the symbiote you mean. Not all versions of it serve to really protect the wearer all that much.
— Piccolo and Kuririn are such a hilarious mis-match that even if a Fusion Dance between them was possible, it probably wouldn't be very effective. I'm sure that Boo could whip Piririn's butt even when relaxed down at a roughly-SS2 level of power.
— Barring any Kikoho shenanigans... Freeza takes his time gleefully picking the Earthling team apart. Even Tenshinhan maxed out at around Captain GInyu's power level, in my book.
— Eh, GT match-ups are wonky and unpredictable. Pass.
— I'll assume Vegeta and Goku are still pretty much equals by the time of
Battle of Gods. So Vegeta as a Super Saiyan God could give Beerus as good a fight as Goku did.
— Zarbon's a lot stronger than Kuririn and Gohan were, so odds are he could speed-blitz Gurd before anything else could happen. Gurd's probably still got a chance though.
— Kuririn didn't irreversibly leave Tenshinhan in his dust until Namek, and didn't even quite catch up to him until after their pre-Saiyan training. At this point, Ten should still have a sizable power advantage and be able to win.
SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:Nappa vs. Gurd (no psychic)
Hard to say because we don't have even a rough power level range for Gurd. If he's only a few thousand then Nappa could beat him. If he's upwards of 10,000 then he could beat Nappa even without any psychic tricks.
