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Top overrated and underrated characters

Post by Chou_Gohan » Sun Jul 19, 2015 6:05 pm

For me

Overrated
1. Gt characters (not stronger than BoG characters)
2. Cell games SSjin Gohan (not that much stronger than Goku at the Cell games)
3. Z sword Gohan (not that much stronger than before)

Underrated
1. BoG characters (compared to Gt characters)
2. SSjin 3 Goku (Boo saga) (not that much weaker than Gotenks and Gohan)
3. BoG SSjin 3 Goku (should be stronger than Mystic Gohan by this point)

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Re: Top overrated and underrated characters

Post by Draconic » Sun Jul 19, 2015 6:19 pm

Chou_Gohan wrote:For me

Overrated
1. Gt characters (not stronger than BoG characters)
2. Cell games SSjin Gohan (not that much stronger than Goku at the Cell games)
3. Z sword Gohan (not that much stronger than before)

Underrated
1. BoG characters (compared to Gt characters)
2. SSjin 3 Goku (Boo saga) (not that much weaker than Gotenks and Gohan)
3. BoG SSjin 3 Goku (should be stronger than Mystic Gohan by this point)
In power level?
Overrated
1.Broly
2.Super Perfect Cell
3.Omega Shenron

Underrated
1.Ledgic
2.Saiyan Saga Piccolo
3.Krillin
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Re: Top overrated and underrated characters

Post by Doctor. » Sun Jul 19, 2015 6:23 pm

Overrated and underrated in terms of what? Character or power?

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Re: Top overrated and underrated characters

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Sun Jul 19, 2015 6:27 pm

Doctor. wrote:Overrated and underrated in terms of what? Character or power?
I'd assume power, mainly due to this:
Chou_Gohan wrote:Overrated
1. Gt characters (not stronger than BoG characters)
2. Cell games SSjin Gohan (not that much stronger than Goku at the Cell games)
3. Z sword Gohan (not that much stronger than before)

Underrated
1. BoG characters (compared to Gt characters)
2. SSjin 3 Goku (Boo saga) (not that much weaker than Gotenks and Gohan)
3. BoG SSjin 3 Goku (should be stronger than Mystic Gohan by this point)

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Re: Top overrated and underrated characters

Post by dbzfan7 » Sun Jul 19, 2015 7:12 pm

Overrated

1. Broly
2. Gogeta
3. LolRageta

Underrated

1. Goten
2. Kid Trunks
3. Gotenks
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Re: Top overrated and underrated characters

Post by Lord Beerus » Sun Jul 19, 2015 9:15 pm

Overrated:
1. Broly
2. Bardock
3. Gogeta

Underrated
1. Gotenks
2. Krillin
3. Oob

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Re: Top overrated and underrated characters

Post by supercat » Sun Jul 19, 2015 9:15 pm

Overrated:
1. Broly
2. SSJ4 Gogeta
3. Omega Shenron

Underrated:
1. Piccolo
2. Kaioshin
3. Whis - I honestly do not understand how some people believe that there are characters in GT who could take him down.

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Re: Top overrated and underrated characters

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Sun Jul 19, 2015 9:40 pm

supercat wrote:Underrated:
3. Whis - I honestly do not understand how some people believe that there are characters in GT who could take him down.
What's wrong with that?

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Re: Top overrated and underrated characters

Post by Rocketman » Sun Jul 19, 2015 9:53 pm

Chou_Gohan wrote:2. SSjin 3 Goku (Boo saga) (not that much weaker than Gotenks and Gohan)
He's 1/8th of SS3 Gotenks, and less than that of Gohan.

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Re: Top overrated and underrated characters

Post by SSJ God Gogeta » Sun Jul 19, 2015 9:55 pm

Overrated:
1. Broly
2. Vegetto
3. Bardock

Underrated:
1. Gogeta
2. Cell
3. Gotenks
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Re: Top overrated and underrated characters

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Sun Jul 19, 2015 9:56 pm

Rocketman wrote:He's 1/8th of SS3 Gotenks, and less than that of Gohan.
Less than that, since Goku said Gotenks would be stronger than himself, not equal to himself. Without factoring any RoSaT power-ups.

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Re: Top overrated and underrated characters

Post by Doctor. » Sun Jul 19, 2015 10:07 pm

If it's based on strength, then:

Overrated:
1 - GT Goku - I've seen people putting his base form stronger than Gohan Boo and SS Vegetto, I'm sorry what? Not only does it completely go against what Goku has said about him not getting much stronger with training, but Goku somehow gets stronger in 5 years than he got in 17.

2 - Artificial Humans #19 and #20 - Some random scientist built robots stronger than the mightiest in the universe, yes, that makes sense, doesn't it? Nevermind that Kuririn asked Goku if he was ready to face someone stronger than Freeza after #17 and #18 (and Cell) showed up.

3 - Broly - Self-explanatory, I think.

Underrated:
1 - Freeza - The emperor of the universe. Who can be defeated after some monkeys train for a couple of years, they don't even need transformations! Oh, oh! How about those random grunts of his that surpassed his 100% power in a few years without even needing that fusion technique of theirs! Totally scary emperor, I can see how the universe was under his rule for so long!

2 - Kaioshin - He's supposedly weaker than base Saiyans because he was scared that they'd fuck things up. Even when he knew about Vegeta's SS transformation, and even though he couldn't sense Pui Pui's Ki, somehow that means he's weaker than base Vegeta right? How dare he get scared of the strength of his worst enemy's lackeys?!

3 - I don't know, Super Saiyan God? It's perceived as a weaker boost than SS4 somehow, I'm not even talking about SS4 Goku vs SSG Goku, but in terms of the power boost Goku is given.

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Re: Top overrated and underrated characters

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Sun Jul 19, 2015 10:21 pm

Overrated
Goku: He's overrated by TOEI and recently Toriyama with all the spotlighting he gets.
Vegeta: Despite being my favorite character some fans tend to really suck him and whine how he doesn't get every single victory handed to him even though there's reasons for it.
Beerus: He's literally becoming a Creator's Pet... him being the one to orchestrate the near-extinction of the Saiyans is were I drew the line.
Kaioshin: Doesn't deserve any fans and people take Piccolo's (and others') statement towards him way too much at face value.

Underrated
Krillin: Even though he's had Goku's back since day one and always fought despite being severely outclassed he gets an insane amount of disrespect for being "weak and useless". Don't these people realize without him Gohan woulda died? If they did then they wouldn't say shit.
Raditz: He was Goku's brother yet they kill him off like some random villain? He had so much potential
Chi-Chi: It's a shock Chi-Chi vs. Videl is still a common debate and people believing she's not even comparable to fighters from the early volume. Also, her one-dimensional portrayal in Super so far isn't exactly saving faces. Seriously, they need to do away with making her look like a harpy.... it's the fucking 21st century.
Humans in general (except Bulma, #18, and maybe Tien): Pretty self-explanatory.

Both
Pan: She's annoying af but the low-balling she gets is ridiculous. Some even have her at Namek Saga tier.
Broli: His fanboys act like he's the best thing since the wheel while his haters act like he's the worst thing since the holocaust.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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Re: Top overrated and underrated characters

Post by Pantalones » Sun Jul 19, 2015 11:20 pm

Overrated... base Saiyans in general, especially in the Buu saga. Some people think they're stronger than Freeza's full power (despite it being stated otherwise...), the Androids, and even Piccolo by the time the Buu saga rolls around. Except... the moment Super Saiyan became a thing, the Saiyans' means of power growth changed. You don't have to increase base power by that much to get a pretty significant increase in Super Saiyan thanks to the 50x boost. Going from 3 million to 4 million in base would bring Goku from 150 million to 200 million in SSj, which is a bigger difference than the gap between himself and Freeza was when they fought (in terms of actual numbers, not percentages or whatever -- if you just watched the Saiyan and Freeza sagas and honestly think there's solid, unchageable "whatever-% higher means you'll always win/always lose/won't even be able to scratch them" ratios when it comes to power levels, you need to go back and pay closer attention, because there was definitely not that level of consistency involved.) Rather than big increases to the base form's power through near-death boosts, big increases came from pushing more power into Super Saiyan (the "ascended/ultra" forms) or by mastering Super Saiyan (and thus strengthening the base-form body in the process -- the Saiyan body normally isn't built for 50x power, thus there's a strain associated with transforming, but mastering Super Saiyan made it so Super Saiyan is now as natural and strain-free a state as base. Basically the same concept as the weighted turtle shells in Dragonball, but with power boosts rather than weight -- after running around with that weight on them for a while they suddenly found that they felt so much lighter without them, because their bodies adjusted to the strain of the extra weight. Same way with Goku and Gohan's training -- training in constant Super Saiyan, they were strengthening their bodies to be used to that strain until it no longer felt like a strain at all anymore, so that when they went back to base they were suddenly a lot stronger than before.)

Underrated... the three main human fighters, especially Krillin and Yamcha (every once and a while I see someone put Tenshinhan too high instead, like into the 50% Freeza range already by the Android saga or something... but it's much more common for people to slap some dinky sub-million level on every one of them and give some lame excuse for it. Or worse, claim that giving them even dinkier hundred-thousandish levels is being "generous" when actually it's the polar opposite.)
Also, Mr. Buu. The fact that he did better against Kid Buu than Vegeta did (and not just in terms of taking hits better, which of course he would since he's made of squishy near-indestructible Buu-stuff and all, but actually landing some of his own too), and that Vegeta was worried about the possibility of him spawning another Evil Buu at the end, makes it seem pretty unlikely that the fat Buu that was removed from Super/Kid Buu's body is randomly so weak that even the SSj2s can beat him now -- I'm sure he's weaker than the full power of the original Fat Buu when he got really pissed off, but he's probably still closer to SSj3 Goku's level than he is to SSj2 Goku/Vegeta's level, I'd say. The 4x difference between SSj2 and SSj3 is a massive gap in power, there's plenty of room to move him lower down within that range (further away from the "almost a match for SSj3 Goku" range) without having him drop all the way down to SSj2 level.

And Kid Trunks and Goten are an odd combination of simultaneously being incredibly overrated and incredibly underrated, depending on who you ask. On one hand, you have the people who vastly overrate their power (like putting them on par with Gohan even though Goten is shown to not be on par with Gohan, and outright states that he's not on par with Gohan and is amazed by Gohan's power, speed, and skill... and note that this is "rusty after 7 years of no training," "just sparring, not seriously fighting" Gohan that's amazing the kid. Or even worse, claiming they're close to #18 even in their base forms... going back to the whole "base Saiyans overrated" thing with that one.)
And then on the other hand, you have some people saying they're only barely above Namek Goku, if that. If #18 was actually worried by one of their ki blasts, they can't possibly be that weak -- she mocked Vegeta's blast when they fought, after all, so the kids have to at least be a decent bit stronger than Android-saga Vegeta was.

I suspect the reality is somewhere right in between those two levels of power ("Cell Games-ish" and "Namek Goku-ish"), like SSj Goten and Trunks being somewhere in the range of #16 or "semi-perfect" Cell -- stronger than #18 (when in Super Saiyan form) but still significantly weaker than any adult Saiyan, or even rusty teenage Gohan, who thinks they might surpass him if they keep growing stronger at the same rate (remember that these are little 7-8 year old kids with no real training he's talking about -- so it's not "wow, these kids are almost as strong as me!" so much as "wow, these kids got this strong ALREADY, how ridiculous will they be if they just keep on getting stronger!?")

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Re: Top overrated and underrated characters

Post by Doctor. » Sun Jul 19, 2015 11:25 pm

Any person who says the kids are around Namek arc Goku level are obviously referring to their base forms. I think they're just a few million above that Goku (around 7 mil pre-RoSaT), which in turn would make their SS forms a lot stronger, stronger than #18 and many others.

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Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Sun Jul 19, 2015 11:32 pm

Well, unless they get a different SS boost than the other Saiyans, I couldn't see their base being far below Teen Gohan's.

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Re: Top overrated and underrated characters

Post by Doctor. » Sun Jul 19, 2015 11:35 pm

SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:Well, unless they get a different SS boost than the other Saiyans, I couldn't see their base being far below Teen Gohan's.
Neither can I, really. The farthest I think the base Saiyans have gotten is around 17 million, with BoG Goku.

That's just a very minimalist approach though.

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Re: Top overrated and underrated characters

Post by supercat » Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:27 am

SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:
supercat wrote:Underrated:
3. Whis - I honestly do not understand how some people believe that there are characters in GT who could take him down.
What's wrong with that?
I've gone over this in numerous other posts, but I shall reiterate the key points.

After witnessing a mere fraction of Beerus' unfathomable power, Goku mentions that even the might of fusion won't be enough to overcome the destructive feline. Knowing Goku, and knowing the kind of determination that he harbors, I'd say even being able to reach 50% of Beerus' power, would have been sufficient for him to seriously entertain the idea of merging with Vegeta. However, seeing as how the concept of fusion itself was immediately disregarded, it's quite plausible that the gap between Beerus and Vegetto was quite immense to say the least. In addition to all of this, when Goku made this remark, he wasn't even aware of Beerus' full power. Pure speculation at this point, but if I had to take a wild guess, I would say SSJ Vegetto would more less be in line with around 20% of Beerus' full power, if not even less.

One could argue that Goku was referencing to the power that Vegetto wielded against Buu, as he probably had no idea how powerful his fusion could become at that particular moment, but he should at the very least have an idea of how much power is obtainable. In any case, the reason that line was even dropped in the first place was to likely signify how powerful Beerus was. Whether the comparison was being made to BoG Vegetto or to Buu arc Vegetto, the takeaway here is that the once unrivaled fusion is likely trivial in the face of their new opponent.

With 60% of Beerus' power, SSG Goku was able to hold his own. This reinforces the fact that Vegetto is likely far below the 50-60% range of the powerful feline's full power, as even hitting the halfway mark with fusion would likely have been too good of a deal for Goku to pass up,

While we don't know exactly how far apart or how close SSJ4 Goku and SSJ Vegetto are in terms of power, we can assume that the two are relatively on par with one another based on the information we have. I personally feel that the former holds the slight advantage, but is still leagues below his SSG counterpart, who clearly falls short of Beerus.

SSJ4 Goku and SSJ4 Vegeta being able to tolerate quite a beating from Omega Shenron strongly implies that the Shadow Dragon isn't worlds above the duo and that the gap between them probably isn't as significant as the gap between SSJ4 Goku / SSJ Vegetto and Beerus. Meaning, Beerus would hypothetically be superior to GT's strongest villain.

In no shape or form am I discrediting the massive beating that SSJ4 Gogeta effortlessly gave Omega Shenron, but the former's inability to eradicate the latter with a Big Bang Kamehameha shows the two may not be that far apart from each other as some people believe. Whis on the other hand was able to completely subdue Beerus (who is likely a bit stronger than Omega Shenron) with nothing more than a single chop. Therefore, this is strong enough evidence for me to believe that Whis sits in a higher realm of power than SSJ4 Gogeta.

When all is said and done, we still don't have enough information to accurately determine where each character stands, so everything is pure speculation at this point.

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Re: Top overrated and underrated characters

Post by Alex9196 » Mon Jul 20, 2015 6:33 am

SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:
Rocketman wrote:He's 1/8th of SS3 Gotenks, and less than that of Gohan.
Less than that, since Goku said Gotenks would be stronger than himself, not equal to himself. Without factoring any RoSaT power-ups.
not even 1/8th of gotenks? thats ridicoulus. ssj3 goku could have beaten kid buu when he was fresh. gotenks ssj3 could have beaten super buu if he wasnt kidding around. but i would say ssj3 goku and kid buu are around the same level. same goes for gotenks and super buu. that would mean super buu is stronger than kid buu by 8 times?

but onto the topic:
i dont really can think of overrated ones.

underrated:
dende (because of his healing abilities. he is basically a walking pot of senzu beans)
tenshinhan (because of his kikoho, he hold back a wayyy stronger cell back with it very good)
perfect cell (because he could keep blowing himself up and regenerating, but he gets stronger with everytime he does it)

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Re: Top overrated and underrated characters

Post by gohann » Tue Jul 21, 2015 8:41 am

Overrated: Goku, Vegeta, Future Trunks, Cell

Underrated: Ginyu Force, Piccolo (both), Oolong, Puar, Krillin, Bulma (DB)

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