Why is Supreme Kai so incompetent and not knowledgable?

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Why is Supreme Kai so incompetent and not knowledgable?

Post by precita » Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:30 am

One thing that bugs me about Supreme Kai is he's supposed to be the leader of all the Kai's in the universe (especially after Buu killed all the others), but most of the time he's shown as incompetent and not knowing anything. We see Elder Kai constantly explain things to him he seems clueless about especially in Super about Beerus. Then back in the Buu saga Supreme Kai had no idea that Goku and the others were stronger than Babidi's henchmen like Pui Pui or Yakon, etc.

I mean, I don't get it? Its not like he's played for humor either the same way King Kai is where he's supposed to be goofy. Supreme Kai is just...clueless half the time. Its even more noticeable in Super because we still have Elder Kai explaining to him about Beerus that he didn't know much about.

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Re: Why is Supreme Kai so incompetent and not knowledgable?

Post by Rocketman » Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:37 am

Buu slaughtered the other gods before the current Kaioshin completed his training.

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Re: Why is Supreme Kai so incompetent and not knowledgable?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:47 am

I dunno, the guy managed to keep up a job for 5 people on his own for millions of years. Doesn't seem like he was doing too badly to me.
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Re: Why is Supreme Kai so incompetent and not knowledgable?

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Mon Jul 20, 2015 3:03 am

Kamiccolo9 wrote:I dunno, the guy managed to keep up a job for 5 people on his own for millions of years. Doesn't seem like he was doing too badly to me.
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Re: Why is Supreme Kai so incompetent and not knowledgable?

Post by JulieYBM » Mon Jul 20, 2015 3:12 am

The running gag is that Gods are useless in Dragon Ball, although the Kaiou of the North seems to be exempt from this running gag. The God of Earth is always complaining, useless, or trying to take the easy way out or shove his responsibilities off onto others. The joke with Kaiou-shin is that he has no clue what it is he's talking about, ever. It's actually quite humorous to see how useless gods are in the series, it's always some schmucks who save the day.
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Re: Why is Supreme Kai so incompetent and not knowledgable?

Post by supercat » Mon Jul 20, 2015 3:24 am

When Buu wiped out all of the Kaioshin, East Kaioshin was left alone without anyone to teach him the ropes.

The fact that he was already the weakest and least experienced out of his brethren didn't help either.

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Re: Why is Supreme Kai so incompetent and not knowledgable?

Post by theherodjl » Mon Jul 20, 2015 3:28 am

Kaio-Sama himself was unaware of the Androids and Cell until Goku told him probably because he is watching over a whole galaxy, I guess the same applies to Kaioshin who observes several times more activity than Kaio-Sama and is the most important and busy figure in the creation of life and planets. They're not incompetent or inherently unknowledgable but just ignorant of the details, some specific events happen in specific places within DB's recent timeline. With there being only 6 entities who watch trillions of living things and planets they really can't drop all they do and pay attention to random Earthlings, Saiyans, and Namekians.
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Re: Why is Supreme Kai so incompetent and not knowledgable?

Post by Zephyr » Mon Jul 20, 2015 4:36 am

The gods in DB are basically just regular dudes, who have monumental responsibilities. Characters don't have the perspective we have. He's not omnipresent and omniscient. He can know for sure that the Saiyans are strong, without knowing the full calculated extent to which they are. Plus, PTSD can be pretty shitty.

It all adds up, convincingly enough to me, to account for his behavior and performance with the Buu crisis.

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Re: Why is Supreme Kai so incompetent and not knowledgable?

Post by Marco Polo » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:03 am

It's not like the Elder Kai is much more competent. Dude merged with an ugly old witch because he didn't keep his Potaras in a safe place. He also had a petty argument with Beerus and got sealed in a sword for 75 million years for it. And finally he is a huge pervert.

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Re: Why is Supreme Kai so incompetent and not knowledgable?

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Mon Jul 20, 2015 11:53 am

Toriyama-sensei wanted the plot to happen so he rewrote Kaioshin from a cool and mysterious god to someone weak and not-so-mysterious.
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Re: Why is Supreme Kai so incompetent and not knowledgable?

Post by Lord Beerus » Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:03 pm

All of the Gods who were knowledgeable in Dragon Ball were killed by Majin Boo before they could have schooled East Kaioshin.

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Re: Why is Supreme Kai so incompetent and not knowledgable?

Post by Doctor. » Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:11 pm

Him not knowing about Beerus is easily explainable maybe by the fact that he never met him. And nobody could sense the Ki of Babidi's minions.

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Re: Why is Supreme Kai so incompetent and not knowledgable?

Post by singsing » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:21 pm

Doctor. wrote:Him not knowing about Beerus is easily explainable maybe by the fact that he never met him. And nobody could sense the Ki of Babidi's minions.
He's been around for millions of years regardless, and weren't he and the GoD supposed to have annual meetings? How does he know next to nothing about Beerus?

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Re: Why is Supreme Kai so incompetent and not knowledgable?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:32 pm

singsing wrote:
Doctor. wrote:Him not knowing about Beerus is easily explainable maybe by the fact that he never met him. And nobody could sense the Ki of Babidi's minions.
He's been around for millions of years regardless, and weren't he and the GoD supposed to have annual meetings? How does he know next to nothing about Beerus?
If Beerus doesn't wake up for years at a time, how can they have annual meetings?
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Re: Why is Supreme Kai so incompetent and not knowledgable?

Post by Birusu16 » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:35 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
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Doctor. wrote:Him not knowing about Beerus is easily explainable maybe by the fact that he never met him. And nobody could sense the Ki of Babidi's minions.
He's been around for millions of years regardless, and weren't he and the GoD supposed to have annual meetings? How does he know next to nothing about Beerus?
If Beerus doesn't wake up for years at a time, how can they have annual meetings?
Yea they're not annually. The meetings are held every 1,000 years.

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Re: Why is Supreme Kai so incompetent and not knowledgable?

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Tue Jul 21, 2015 1:37 am

Actually what I got from the episode wasn't that he didn't know about Beerus, but rather that he didn't know how powerful and dangerous Beerus was.
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Re: Why is Supreme Kai so incompetent and not knowledgable?

Post by h0kuten » Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:12 pm

Why are all Dragonball characters so incompetent and not knowledgable?

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Re: Why is Supreme Kai so incompetent and not knowledgable?

Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:19 pm

h0kuten wrote:Why are all Dragonball characters so incompetent and not knowledgable?
Bulma, Dr Brief and Dr Gero would like a word with you.

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Re: Why is Supreme Kai so incompetent and not knowledgable?

Post by Doctor. » Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:20 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:
h0kuten wrote:Why are all Dragonball characters so incompetent and not knowledgable?
Bulma, Dr Brief and Dr Gero would like a word with you.
The girl who couldn't gather 7 balls when she had all the tools to do so and the old man who got murdered by his own creation?

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Re: Why is Supreme Kai so incompetent and not knowledgable?

Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:41 pm

Doctor. wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:
h0kuten wrote:Why are all Dragonball characters so incompetent and not knowledgable?
Bulma, Dr Brief and Dr Gero would like a word with you.
The girl who couldn't gather 7 balls when she had all the tools to do so and the old man who got murdered by his own creation?
That was also the same girl who was also able build a scouter drone out of scraps on a desert island, a laser gun at the age of five, a blutz wave generator and a time machine.

As for Dr Gero, his inventions even amazed Bulma. But not fulling understanding the personalities of #17 or #18 was a bit of blunder on his regard.

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