TheGmGoken wrote:
1. Then fix your outlook on this whole situation. Admit that you were racist for trying to omit black actors from playing Goku solely for their race and discriminating against them.
2. You just made my point for me. It's a counterpart. Goku doesn't have that so why try to make it unacceptable for him to be played by a black person?
3. Correct. He can, but you have a problem with that and it's why you are racist.
4. Yeah. You think a person of a different race would be a better Goku solely because of their race. That is racist. You think they are superior.
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Dude...chill and calm. How exactly am I racist? Why would I be racist at all let alone towards my own race.
2. Your point was that there's a black superman. When there's not. They're two separate people. Goku has officially been giving a yellow skin description and in almost all media is pale or pink . Rare is he ever Hulk Hogan tanned. If it's okay for to use rare references.
Then SSJ can be RED
3 and 4. Not racist. Stop calling people that. Shit getting annoying. Goku is an iconic character. He's someone even someone who NEVER seen Dbz can accurately describe. No one will say that hes tanned. Only Asian (casual fans we're talking about) or white. Why? Because it's well known what Goku's skin color is. Maybe if a minor or semi important character like Red Ribbon Army generals or something but a ICONIC character. No it won't work. It's like if Man of Steel was Clark Kent but black (Not Val-Zod. Who you thought was a counterpart). Maybe Yamcha would work. But not Goku. Goku has an iconic appearance and fans would want to see that . I NEVER said Goku couldt be played by a black character. Well..a light skin black actor. I just PREFER something closer to the source.
1. I'm as relaxed as possible can be. It's just sad to see an apparent black person making the claim that blacks shouldn't be allowed to play Goku. It's really disappointing.
2. My point has been proven. I don't care what one book says when I've got multiple pics that have him dark. I'm not even trying to discredit him having lighter skin. I'm just saying that since he's not always portrayed that way in the manga then he shouldn't have to always be played that way in film.
3. I can call people whatever I want, but I'm doing it because it's valid. If it wasn't, I wouldn't be calling them that. You're telling me it's not racist to single out blacks as being the only race that cannot play this character? I mentioned this earlier and I'll say it again: If I did what you guys have done, by saying one race was the only one that couldn't play him, I'd have gotten in trouble. If I had made this thread with the title "Goku is black" and said nobody besides a black person was allowed by me to play him in film based solely on their race, you'd probably report me and I'd get banned for hate speech.
4. Okay, you never said it. So why are you defending the people who did? Stop flip flopping.
ThatGuyNamedChancey wrote:@SSJ Human: I haven't been lurking around this thread, so I haven't seen any previous posts past the last two pages. But one thing I see re-occurring in these posts is the fact you repeatedly have called some users and their posts, racist.
Now, being a Black male myself, I can understand why you may call this racism. I don't agree, but at the same time, I don't have all the answers. Therefore, I, myself, cannot give you a definitive definition of the word, 'racism'. At first, I thought the definition I posted awhile ago could be considered the absolute, definite definition for 'racism' (which is, and I quote, "the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races"). But after thinking about it, I typically see people refer to racism as form of bigotry--a form of hatred. And after evaluating your posts about these users being racist, I have concluded that it isn't racism. Or at least, not intentional racism.
To give an example of real life racism, I will use a story of someone I know. It's pretty bare-bones but this is all I've heard of the story.
An African American male and his friend of Asian and Caucasian descent walk out of the club. They see two empty cans of beer sitting on the sidewalk. So, they each pick up one can. Suddenly, a cop comes from behind them and asks them what they're doing. The African American male says that they were both throwing out the beer cans, but the cop doesn't care. So, he gives the African American male a ticket and the Caucasian-Asian gets a warning. Then, the cop walks away.
That's racism. Singling out a race because you think they are inferior is racism. Saying that a cartoon character with no race (as you put it) should not be portrayed by someone is Black when said character does not resemble someone who is Black is NOT racism. It is just being blunt, but subjective. Or maybe, it's unintentional racism. I don't know, I don't have all the answers.
TL;DR: The previous posts mentioned are not racist since racism is intentional hatred towards a race that said individual believes are inferior.
Hopefully, this post changed your perspective on the matter.
Let me just say this, I believe any person of any race can play Goku because not all people of every race look alike. That's it and I wouldn't want a black actor anymore than I'd want anybody else, but I think it's incredulous to say, "No, we can't have that. I don't want black Goku." The pictures I used was an example why I as a reader of the manga, the source material that can be changed by filmmakers at any point, thought that he could be played by people of darker skin tones. The guy atop my comment recanted and switches to being fine with a black person with light skin whereas earlier he had been against it. See what I mean? I'm consistent whereas they are not.
. I said it's not a black counterpart to Superman since it's a entirely new character.
