Discussion, generally of an in-universe nature, regarding any aspect of the franchise (including movies, spin-offs, etc.) such as: techniques, character relationships, internal back-history, its universe, and more.
KameRule wrote:Also correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that Toriyama said that Ki was naturally invisible, which is something MatPat outright contradicted in that video.
Toriyama has said that although ki is traditionally supposed to be invisible, he made the ki in DB visible since it made for a better comic.
Which ties into the main thing: the ki attacks in DB derive directly from the idea of an intangible life-force prevalent in Asian culture (and much of the rest of the world). This idea in turn comes from the association between breathing and life, and because of this the character for ki (気) is primarilary used for gas and weather-related words, and for mental states. That's mainly where you'll encounter it in ordinary, everyday language these days. But the "mystical energy" aspect of it is still played up in traditional martial arts novels, which tend to have a fantasy bent going right back to Journey to the West. Those novels and various movies/TV shows/games/etc based on them made the idea of martial artists being able to harness the life-force and use it in their attacks standard, and Toriyama just took the Kamehameha straight from that tradition, while putting his own spin on it. Though he's hardly the first person to depict ki attacks as visible.
So that's what the Kamehameha is: a cartoonish representation of the traditional Asian notions of a mystical life-force, as commonly depicted in martial arts stories. That's what Toriyama has in mind when he made the thing.
I hate it when people just make unnecessary jokes during an entire video. Especially I am sick of the Krillin, Yamcha and how often everyone dies jokes. I am pretty sure most of the people, who are making fun of Krillin or Yamcha cant even do 10 pushups. And Goku only died twice. Not every 10 episodes.
For a guy who supposedly researches, he talks a lot of shit about Krillin. Probably just pandering to "that" part of the community. Her Her Krillin isn't stoic and died a couple times, therefore he sucks. Ugh.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
dbzfan7 wrote:For a guy who supposedly researches, he talks a lot of shit about Krillin. Probably just pandering to "that" part of the community. Her Her Krillin isn't stoic and died a couple times, therefore he sucks. Ugh.
dbzfan7 wrote:For a guy who supposedly researches, he talks a lot of shit about Krillin. Probably just pandering to "that" part of the community. Her Her Krillin isn't stoic and died a couple times, therefore he sucks. Ugh.
Or... he just dislikes the character.
Considering his style of jokes, and I've seen his vids before, he goes for the easy ones. Krillin and Yamcha are the people most mocked in Dragon Ball.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
I'm really sick of these outdated jokes. It's been decades and people still mock Krillin for being "useless" as if Vegeta was any more useful.
An angry Final Fantasy fan wrote: And after all the outrage, when I'm ready, I'll go out on to GameStop and buy a Persona 5 copy. And when my mother finds me investing my precious time trying to bond with this hot anime girl, I'll look straight into her eyes and say "but have you looked at the menu screen? have you actually seen the menu screen? In that very moment, she knows. She fucking knows. As she handles me the nugget pieces she previously cooked for me, she leaves my room with these words: "Persona 5 is the true savior of the JRPG".
VegettoEX wrote:
In a blunt nutshell, no-one wants to read bullshit. Don't post bullshit. Be a cool person that posts cool things that other people would actually want to read. Don't be Zamasu from episode 63 talking to himself.
Do you guys remember when Krillin man'd up against Dr. Wheelo at the same time everyone else did, but got clocked? Or the moment when he charged in against Lord Slug, and got swept?
Krillin is a great character, but he's also the butt of jokes within the series itself. Yamcha is even worse. It's just funny. =P
I would say it's pretty old by now, but... TeamFourStar revitalized the Krillin and Yamcha jokes. lol.
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super
fadeddreams5 wrote:Do you guys remember when Krillin man'd up against Dr. Wheelo at the same time everyone else did, but got clocked? Or the moment when he charged in against Lord Slug, and got swept?
Krillin is a great character, but he's also the butt of jokes within the series itself. Yamcha is even worse. It's just funny. =P
I would say it's pretty old by now, but... TeamFourStar revitalized the Krillin and Yamcha jokes. lol.
Isn't it mostly in the movies though, that Krillin is the resident butt monkey?
I think he got hit by the doorknob of Goku and Chi Chi's house in the Cell arc, but I can't recall other joke moments featuring Krillin in Z, at least in the manga.
dbgtFO wrote:Isn't it mostly in the movies though, that Krillin is the resident butt monkey?
Yeah, it's explicitly a running gag in Takao Koyama's movie scripts, right down to him having the movie-only catchphrase "why me?" You can see the seeds of it in the manga, but the anime expands on and exaggerates it a lot, and then the movies take it up to the next level. It's a bit like Chi-Chi's nagging, in that regard.
VegettoEX wrote:I think it's an important point to bring up. I generally feel the same way about videos I watch / podcasts I listen to / articles I read. If I feel like I 100% know something for sure is wrong (a pronunciation, a tidbit, a fact, etc.) right off the bat, for me it throws the entire premise into question. I don't trust what they have to say.
That's not the point of MatPats videos. He goes in depth to find scientific reasoning to certain events in video game, tv series or movies. He actually researches a lot, for months. And everyone here is disregarding the entire video over one slip up, same slip up that's been perpetuated by the USA dub, can you really blame him on something so ingrained in your culture? Something that's not even relevant to the theory itself? That's so incredibly nitpicking of you guys. MatPat is also humble enough to own up to his mistakes, so if you feel so hellbent on this issue, feel free to point it out to him.
Research? He makes huge leaps of faith off little more than a hunch. His theory about the Pyro's gender is completely unfounded, his theory about Rosalina's lineage was fairly creepy and not at all based in reality (to which the director of the game debunked it) and this, this is nothing short of a greenhorn's attempt. His "theories" don't fit the definition of theories, they're often vague hypotheses that almost never meet their burdens. Nothing about ki was actually thought out in-depth, which is why to a large extent it's purely supernatural and doesn't operate on any conventional physics. A rudimentary explanation of plasma doesn't explain anything.
Most Dragon Ball fans are incapable of making a logically sound argument.
