Saibaimen variable power level

[Neshawn]

I wanted to start this because I saw a budokai 3 video where someone said they wanted to see a saibamen vs cell junior fight. T got me thinking can saibamen be created with any power level desired? Based on how the dbz story has been told, i think that maybe they can have a variable power level because in the two instances we see them they are, in one, fighting vegeta as a child and then,later, the z fighters. Young vegeta EASILY handles a whole room full of them but the z fighters have a tough time fighting them. Does this speak to how powerful vegeta was as a child or does I show that you can grow them to be as strong as you desire for training? Curious on what you all think?

[Darkprince410]

Well, the instance of Vegeta fighting them as a child was from the Bardock TV special, which was effectively retconned out of continuity with Jaco and Dragon Ball Minus. However, there are a few points to make about it regardless.

1) The Daizenshuu indicates that a Saibaman's battle power is dependent on the soil that they're grown in, and in a nutrient-rich soil like Earth, their battle powers are around the 1,200 mark, so while the 1,200 mark may be the high end of their strength level, in a low-nutrient soil a Saibaman is going to be far weaker.

2) In the Freeza Saga, it is established that Vegeta was already stronger than his father was when he (Prince Vegeta) was a kid, so the depiction of him taking out the room full of Saibamen is feasible even if they were at the 1,200 mark.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Kid Vegeta was stated to have surpassed his father, but no further clarification is made as to whether this happened while the king was still alive. As a Saiyan, Vegeta would remain a child for almost another decade after his father's death after all.

[Doctor.]

Nappa (or was it Vegeta?) said that the soil on Earth was good for the Saibaiman to grow. This could mean that their power varies depending on the nutrients found on the soil of each planet. It would certainly explain why they're not more widely used among Freeza's army, because perhaps Earth's soil is some of the best for them.

[Neshawn]

Those all make me think that probably they are unlike the other warriors that no matter the soil they probably do have a ceiling to their potential power level, since the saibamen don't train. Clearly you all have showed me they are dependent on the soil they are grown from, now the question is what soil is the richest? I would assume that namek, which is similar to earth and may be the best just because namek doesn't have the pollution of earth.

[Doctor.]

Those all make me think that probably they are unlike the other warriors that no matter the soil they probably do have a ceiling to their potential power level, since the saibamen don't train. Clearly you all have showed me they are dependent on the soil they are grown from, now the question is what soil is the richest? I would assume that namek, which is similar to earth and may be the best just because namek doesn't have the pollution of earth.

I assume Freeza would have brought some to Namek to gather the DBs for him if they were so powerful under that soil.

[Neshawn]

Those all make me think that probably they are unlike the other warriors that no matter the soil they probably do have a ceiling to their potential power level, since the saibamen don't train. Clearly you all have showed me they are dependent on the soil they are grown from, now the question is what soil is the richest? I would assume that namek, which is similar to earth and may be the best just because namek doesn't have the pollution of earth.

I assume Freeza would have brought some to Namek to gather the DBs for him if they were so powerful under that soil.

Valid point, do you think they have the intelligence to gather them?

[Herms]

Nappa (or was it Vegeta?) said that the soil on Earth was good for the Saibaiman to grow. This could mean that their power varies depending on the nutrients found on the soil of each planet.

This is in fact precisely what's said in Daizenshuu 4.

[FoolsGil]

Plant People were only used once, but I assume that with a good fertilizer and soil, you will yield strong, hardy crops in time for harvest. And by harvest, I mean genocide.

[LightBing]

Did Nappa or Vegeta measured the Saibaimens power level? After all, they made the Raditz comparison. Unless Nappa is a prodigy gardener.

[dbgtFO]

Did Nappa or Vegeta measured the Saibaimens power level? After all, they made the Raditz comparison. Unless Nappa is a prodigy gardener.

No, as they had taken off their scouters prior to that.

[LightBing]

Did Nappa or Vegeta measured the Saibaimens power level? After all, they made the Raditz comparison. Unless Nappa is a prodigy gardener.

No, as they had taken off their scouters prior to that.

I guess that confirms Nappa is a master gardener, being able to evaluate the Saibamens like that. I wonder if they came in different colors like in Budokai 2, depending on the type of soil. Wish they were better used, than just measuring sticks.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

They couldn't grow them on Namek. I thought it was implied before that Planet Namek was just barely bounding back from some sort of disaster that wiped out a bunch of plant/tree life, and dwindled their population quite a bit. I would assume their soil is not great, thus Saibamen might turn up weaker than the ones on Earth.