"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[soulnova]

Goku does actually say SSJ3 isn't meant to be used in the living world (shortly after first using it), so it drains his spirit body's time on Earth, and his living body's stamina (and Gotenks' fusion time).

With that said, if Vegeta is gonna transform, they could make it make sense given this if they just have him do it for a few seconds in that moment of anger or whatever, have it be a "heat of the moment" thing, not a transformation he gains permanently, i.e. can't fully achieve it on the mortal plane, only kinda sorta partially.

Exactly. I was going to point this out. It was said in both manga and anime by Goku. It was also the reason he couldn't keep up with Kid Buu even when he tried to "recharge". The strain on his body was simply too much. I always got the impression that doing the transformation while being alive actually shortens your lifespan too for using too much energy.... which is the reason I wrote the story on my sig.

I simply don't like the idea of anyone else having the transformation... unless they are dead and training on the otherworld.

Yeah, I agree. It always irked me that Gotenks got it, but I like to think it's because he's drawing from two separate ki sources, if that makes sense.

Yeah, I assumed base Gotenks was much stronger than Base Goku to start with so I didn't mind. Gotenks "comes to life" every time they fuse so you could argue the strain simply resets for the next time. Gotenks "lifespan" is also diminished by the transformation soo... *shrug* Unless we have confirmation we don't have much to work it beyond that.

[Basaku]

the retelling of Fukkatsu no F would be done by episodes 23/25, but it seems like we won't be getting into the real, entirely new stuff in the 6th Universe arc until after episode 30 or something along those lines.

Which would leave room for Fall/Holiday sales of ROF on home video formats. Guess it all lines up quite pretty for Toei's financial prospects. Ohh well, I hope there's at least some interesting stuff in the episodes between BOG and ROF parts, maybe room to introduce Champa or something. In worst case actually new stuff shouldn't start later than early 2016

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Kanzenshuu's translations are up for the episodes that were revealed via Saikyo Jump.

Episode #5 — 09 August 2015
Showdown on Kaiō’s Planet! Goku vs God of Destruction Beerus

Episode #6 — 16 August 2015
Don’t Anger the God of Destruction! The Heart Pounding Birthday Party

Episode #7 — 23 August 2015
How Dare You Hit My Bulma! Vegeta’s Furious Mutation?!

Episode #8 — 30 August 2015
Goku Steps Up! The Last Chance From Beerus-sama?!

[Turambar]

It seems like Vegeta will indeed get SS3 in episode 7 when Beerus smacks Bulma. The title seems to imply this, at least.

[Chuquita]

Mutation's a weird word choice. Makes me think of ninja turtles, zombies, and rare diseases; not so much power-up transformation sequences.

Could someone please explain further about the "mutation" kanji?

[Turambar]

Mutation's a weird word choice. Makes me think of ninja turtles, zombies, and rare diseases; not so much power-up transformation sequences.

Could someone please explain further about the "mutation" kanji?

It is an odd word to use, but I can't imagine what else they might mean by it..

[alakazam^]

Is it true that Toei is sending "Cease letters" to those people or teams who are subbing Super episode ?

https://twitter.com/Rhymestyle/status/6 ... 1678867457

Who cares. Nothing beats internet.
If I waited for BOG to release in my country to see it, I wouldn't have seen it yet.

That still doesn't give you the right to steal their stuff.

Even if they are shooting themselves on the foot (which they're not) they don't owe us anything.

[SaiyanZ]

Vegeta transforming into a SSJ3 would be really cool to see

[sangofe]

It seems like Vegeta will indeed get SS3 in episode 7 when Beerus smacks Bulma. The title seems to imply this, at least.

Sure doesn't to me. It's kinda a "mutation" by itself that Vegeta reacts so much to someone hitting Bulma.

[DisapprovingOwl]

Based on those titles, it looks like the Battle of Gods arc will be relatively short - I'd imagine it'll finish somewhere between episodes 10 and 13 at this rate, depending on how many episodes they spend on Super Saiyan God Goku vs. Beerus. Expecting at least 3 'downtime' episodes afterwards before the Resurrection 'F' arc kicks in in earnest - I'm guessing they'll pace it similarly to the first arc, so I'd guess we won't see the Universe 6 arc starting up until somewhere between episodes 20 and 26 at the absolute earliest. If the latest chapter of the manga's anything to go by, though, hopefully we'll get some brief hints and build-up towards it scattered throughout the Battle of Gods and Resurrection 'F' arcs.

[MaGyunia]

Mutation's a weird word choice. Makes me think of ninja turtles, zombies, and rare diseases; not so much power-up transformation sequences.

Could someone please explain further about the "mutation" kanji?

I have to agree with most of you. Getting that word in the episode title translated as "mutation" automatically leads one to think of some sort or weird physical transformation unlike anything we've seen before, triggering all kinds of possible new abilities or hindrances, but we're probably just over-debating a word due to the simple fact that they chose to put a lot of emphasis on Vegeta losing it in the form of going as far as having his episode referred to as a "transformation", where in fact no actual physical transformation actually occurs, only a temporary power boost triggered by anger plus an also temporary psychotic episode (as in, losing control over his actions, which is something we see in a number of instances throughout DBZ, particularly when the Saiya-jin go Oozaru, when Gohan has his numerous tantrums, when Goku, Mirai no Trunks and Vegeta reach a point/degree of anger that actually triggers their first respective Super Saiya-jin transformations, when Brolly basically goes insane and manages to break the control Paragas had over him, proceeding to go around destroying everything and everyone in sight in an unstoppable rampage, etc., etc.).

It seems like Vegeta will indeed get SS3 in episode 7 when Beerus smacks Bulma. The title seems to imply this, at least.

Sure doesn't to me. It's kinda a "mutation" by itself that Vegeta reacts so much to someone hitting Bulma.

Again, although the title along with the (low) possibility of Vegeta going Super Saiya-jin 3 for it to make (more) sense that he gets a power boost triggered by anger to the point of surpassing Goku, who's a Super Saiya-jin 3, could increase the probability of it happening, they could be referring to the mere fact that Vegeta gets so out-of-control and goes so berserk upon watching Beerus slapping Bulma that not only does he just temporarily lose his mind, he also gets the respective power boost, with a certain limits, without ever undergoing any actual physical Super Saiya-jin transformation (I believe that whereas "henshin" refers to an actual physical transformation, the right word to use when someone changes so much to the point of SEEMING like an entirely "different person" is "tetsujin").

I'm not going to repeat myself on why I would partially like to see Vegeta go Super Saiya-jin 3 either during or after the Beerus arc in DBSuper. It has only to do with the fact that I'd like my theory proven right, and I've explained the theory I'm referring to in-depth three times both in this thread and in others as well.
I don't want it to happen because I'm particularly fond of the stage regarding its physical traits and characteristics, which I'm most certainly not, ESPECIALLY NOT when applied to Vegeta (I know some DBZ fans have been fantasizing over it for years and would have an orgasm if they saw it actually happen, but I quite honestly believe it would look awkwardly wrong on Vegeta, regardless of the outfit he's wearing at the time, and this is coming from someone who has Vegeta as his favorite all-time Dragonball character, so I have high standards for him regarding pretty much everything, from personality and clothes to power and appearance).

[BlackCatScott]

Interesting episode titles. It looks like Battle of Gods should be over by let's say, episode 12? Also, judging by the titles we should be getting Vegetas bingo song/dance imminently

It will be interesting to see how they transition from that to "F". Will we get a couple of episodes of slow build up like with F, or if they'll dive straight into things. We're still to be introduced to Champa too, so I wonder if that will take place after the F content or perhaps the first introduction to him will be in between BoG + F? Correct me if I'm wrong but from the 30 second preview we got, I believe we've seen all of that footage in the anime now apart from the stuff with Champa?

[MaGyunia]

Interesting episode titles. It looks like Battle of Gods should be over by let's say, episode 12? Also, judging by the titles we should be getting Vegetas bingo song/dance imminently

It will be interesting to see how they transition from that to "F". Will we get a couple of episodes of slow build up like with F, or if they'll dive straight into things. We're still to be introduced to Champa too, so I wonder if that will take place after the F content or perhaps the first introduction to him will be in between BoG + F? Correct me if I'm wrong but from the 30 second preview we got, I believe we've seen all of that footage in the anime now apart from the stuff with Champa?

If I had to bet I'd say that the entire retelling of the events of BoG will be done by episode 12, and then episode 13 will deal mostly with its aftermath (Vegeta saying next time he'll be the one to reach Super Saiya-jin God, Beerus "destroying" Earth, Whis's proposition to Goku, Beerus and Whis leaving, Beerus pondering on the fight he just had, etc.). Episodes 13 and 14, and possibly 15, will probably work mostly as rather smooth episodes just like the ones we got in-between the major arcs throughout DBZ, and then we'll be introduced to the reemergence of Freeza by episode 16 or 17, at which point we'll delve down entirely to the retelling of Fukkatsu no F (including a number/list of events which "happened" off-screen in the movie) in about another 10 to 12 episodes. I'd say Freeza will show up all of a sudden pretty much along the same lines as he did when he reappeared along unexpectedly with King Cold in Episode 118 of DBZ.

I would also say Champa won't be introduced until AFTER the Freeza arc, as I regard him as being connected in some way to the 6th Universe, and since we'll be getting an arc dedicated to the exploration of the 6th Universe, he'll probably make his appearance in the first episodes of said arc. The role he plays, who and what he is and just what his relationship with Beerus is has been and still is subject to debate, but at this point we can only speculate, but I'd say either he's been the competitor for the position of Hakaishin for the 7th Universe, having lost to Beerus, which would explain his bitterness towards him (just like Garlic Jr. wanting revenge over Kami for the latter having been chosen for the position of Guardian of Earth over his father), or, more likely a scenario, he's the Hakaishin of the 6th Universe, which would ALSO explain and account for a certain degree of animosity/rivalry/tension between him and Beerus. There are other possibilities, though. No real point in over-debating this issue as well until we get more official info/scans or until we actually get to watch the episodes.

[sintzu]

Judging by the titles we should be getting Vegetas bingo song/dance imminently

Hopefully we'll get more scenes of him trying to keep Beerus happy before his dance.

[MaGyunia]

تudging by the titles we should be getting Vegetas bingo song/dance imminently

Hopefully we'll get more scenes of him trying to keep Beerus happy before his dance.

They could very well go for one more (major) change in the depiction of the events when compared to BoG and scrap the entire thing about Vegeta being so frightful of Beerus and subsequently ditching his pride on numerous occasions to keep anyone from causing Beerus to lose it. I think that we've already went through the process of (re)introducing the characters in a proper way in the first episodes of DBSuper, and there might be no place for additional Vegeta's silly/funny/comic moments such as the bingo dance. After his fulfilling of his promise to Trunks in episode 2 he went right back to his training and gave the impression of having fully regressed to his obsession to overcome and surpass not only Kakarotto, but indeed anyone in the Universe, so his entire approach to any circumstances from now on in the series COULD very well be much more serious than what we saw in BoG.

Just because he knows of Beerus' insane level of power and imminent danger, it shouldn't mean that he'll approach him with the same level of caution and utter and sheer terror as he displayed in the movie. In BoG, he goes as far as to say that it would be an honor to be eradicated by the Hakaishin Beerus himself, but I highly doubt we'll get any of that from Vegeta after him having reacquired his full desire to be serious and indeed obsessive about his training and fighting prowess (and, obviously, his pride).

He'll obviously try to keep anyone from causing Beerus to get angry, but I'd say - or at least I hope - he doesn't go to such great lengths (to the point of entirely ditching his pride in more than once occasion) to prevent others from upsetting the Hakaishin. He could very well explain to everybody who and what Beerus is beforehand, which would partially help explain the title chosen for episode 6 and prevent anyone from offending Beerus in any way right from the start (which will obviously end up being a failed move, as someone WILL definitely trigger an angry reaction by Beerus, with the latter proceeding to KO everyone just as effortlessly as he did in BoG).

[Hujio]

Mutation's a weird word choice. Makes me think of ninja turtles, zombies, and rare diseases; not so much power-up transformation sequences.

Could someone please explain further about the "mutation" kanji?

The kanji for "mutation" is 突然変異 (totsuzenhen'i). To break it down, it is comprised of 突然 (totsuzen), meaning "abrupt" or "sudden", and 変異 (hen'i), meaning "variation". So when combined in Japanese, it can be thought of as an "abrupt variation" in something, or as every dictionary you'll look it up in lists it, "mutation". In this case it's clearly referring to Vegeta's abrupt rage-induced beat-down of Beerus. Besides, "Vegeta's Furious Abrupt Variation" just sounds really weird and awkward, as much as it may make a little more sense. Also, I honestly have no idea where people are drawing this "he's going to go Super Saiyan 3" thing from, but I suppose it makes for more lively discussions.

[Turambar]

Mutation's a weird word choice. Makes me think of ninja turtles, zombies, and rare diseases; not so much power-up transformation sequences.

Could someone please explain further about the "mutation" kanji?

The kanji for "mutation" is 突然変異 (totsuzenhen'i). To break it down, it is comprised of 突然 (totsuzen), meaning "abrupt" or "sudden", and 変異 (hen'i), meaning "variation". So when combined in Japanese, it can be thought of as an "abrupt variation" in something, or as every dictionary you'll look it up in lists it, "mutation". In this case it's clearly referring to Vegeta's abrupt rage-induced beat-down of Beerus. Besides, "Vegeta's Furious Abrupt Variation" just sounds really weird and awkward, as much as it may make a little more sense. Also, I honestly have no idea where people are drawing this "he's going to go Super Saiyan 3" thing from, but I suppose it makes for more lively discussions.

Thank you for the clarification.

[NeoKING]

Kanzenshuu's translations are up for the episodes that were revealed via Saikyo Jump.

Episode #5 — 09 August 2015
Showdown on Kaiō’s Planet! Goku vs God of Destruction Beerus

Episode #6 — 16 August 2015
Don’t Anger the God of Destruction! The Heart Pounding Birthday Party

Episode #7 — 23 August 2015
How Dare You Hit My Bulma! Vegeta’s Furious Mutation?!

Episode #8 — 30 August 2015
Goku Steps Up! The Last Chance From Beerus-sama?!

Toriyama and Toei thought making entire episodes out of moments that lasted mere minutes in the actual movie was genius. Dragon Ball Super, ladies and gentlemen.

Can't wait for the RoF arc! Super-Excited!

"Torturous Times In Hell! Freeza Laminates In His Vile Cocoon"

"Revive the Evil Emperor! Sorbet and Tagoma, in Cahoots with the Pilaf Gang"

"I Will Get My Vengeance! Freeza Throws His Henchmen into Space"

"Training to Godhood! Goku & Vegeta Take on Whis"

"Beerus Wakes Up! He Interrupts Goku & Vegeta Taking on Whis"

"Enter Jaco!"

"Freeza Looms Over Earth! Z-Fighters to Earth's Defense"

"Goku & Vegeta take to the Field! No Reserves, Freeza!"

"Golden Freeza?! Unsurmountable, Freeza is a Prodigy!"

"Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan, Ba~ck to Back!"

[Baggie_Saiyan]

You do realise that episode titles don't describe everything going on in the episode? Episode 2 talked about Vegeta and his family trip yet that lasted only half an ep and the other half was Whis and Beerus time.

[Araki]

You do realise that episode titles don't describe everything going on in the episode? Episode 2 talked about Vegeta and his family trip yet that lasted only half an ep and the other half was Whis and Beerus time.

Yeah, Toei's famous for doing that. He's talking as if the first episode was all about Satan deciding who should he give the award to, based on the title..

Episodes 13 and 14, and possibly 15, will probably work mostly as rather smooth episodes just like the ones we got in-between the major arcs throughout DBZ

I'm actually expecting the time between BoG and RoF to be pretty important, as there are gaps to fill there. Goku going after Whis, Vegeta joining him and becoming SSG, the training, how they tapped into SSGSS the first time..
Maybe the RoF arc will last about 12 episodes too, but including those ones.