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So what would you consider the worst fight you've seen in Dragon Ball?
While Goku vs Beerus in Super would probably understandably seen as the worst given how it was handled in regards to its animation and fight choreography, I honestly see SSJ4 Goku and Vegeta vs Omega Shenron as a more disappointing fight and the worst I've seen in the franchise, because given that is was effectively the last major fight in the franchise and the stage had been set for it to be epic. Goku and Vegeta had achieved the peak of their limits as Saiyans and were taking on the what was essentially the amalgamation for what was the essence of the franchise. And the fight couldn't have felt more uninspired and anti-climatic.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Goku vs Freeza in F. Disregarding how terribly Freeza even gained such power in the first place, the fight didn't live up to its hype, it wasn't a worthy successor to their original fight, the animation was terrible before their transformations were revealed and, after that, the fight was plagued with absolutely awful CGI and uninspired and slow fight choreography. The finale was a bunch of BS, too.
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I thought SSJ Gotenks vs Super Buu was pretty boring. It dragged on for way to long and watching Gotenks come up with all those silly attacks was annoying in my opinion.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Goku vs Freeza honestly bores me to tears. I like the preceding parts of the fight much better.
Which version? Like... new movie or...original?
Worse fight to me was Ten vs Drum. Just so.....awkward and filled with dumb shit(in the manga) and just dragged (in the anime). The fight could not have ended faster and honestly was so happy when Goku arrived.
I dIdn't watch the new episode of Super yet, but I consider most of the fights in Dragon Ball GT terrible, especially that fight of Goku against a kid in the World Martial Arts Tournament.
How about Chaozu versus Guldo. Instead of using even a stock animation signature move from either fighter, Chaozu pops a magic bubble which makes Guldo fly away or something. Chaozu never fights again.
Also kid Goku versus Freeza and Cell in hell is incredibly underwhelming, even for GT.
All the fights in the Buu saga minus Goku VS Vegeta and the fight against Kid Buu are really awful.
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How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
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Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
Goku vs. Frieza (original) in the original anime because of how needlessly long it was. But that's the fault of the show's pacing, not the actual fight itself.
The fight that just by itself I didn't care for was Goku vs. Majin Vegeta (and yes I know this is an unpopular opinion). In the manga it's almost nonexistent and in the anime it's still not on the same level as the two's original fight.
The original was arguably the most tense fight in the entire show with both Vegeta and Goku being pushed to their limits, bones being crushed, desperation on both sides. It also had a sense of progression where in the beginning Goku and Vegeta just have a bunch of scratches (like in most fights) but by the end are lying on the floor and fighting hard just to stand up. Compare that to the rematch where they.... still just have a bunch of scratches in the end.
Probably some filler fight I haven't seen. As far as "canon" fights go, I felt like Gohan Vs Boo was pretty anti climatic. It was just so one-sided, first in Gohan's favor then in Boo's.
In all honesty, the only fight that I actively disliked were the insta-kill fights that weren't really properly built up and had one guy just embarrassingly own the other like Goku vs Pamput or Goku vs Mummy or Goku vs King Chappa... Or Goku vs Tao Paipai Version 2.0 Even Gogeta vs Jenemba can technically fall into this category as Gogeta basically kicked him and threw a ball of sparkles that caused him to instantly explode. However, I will say that the worst is probably Goku vs Pamput mainly because it was just a repeat of the fight with Goku and King Chappa which made it redundant. I mean to give credit where it's due it did make sense to make Gogeta stupid OP given the entire movie was built up for his appearance. It still bugs me though that it was such a quick fight.
Oh if we're including GT then SS2 Goku Jr. vs Evil Demon Monster #3. I hate that little punk so much... With a passion...
Oh also SS Bardock Vs Chilled though not nearly as much as the prior.
Goku vs. Beerus in Super has to take the gold medal on this thread. Goku literally throwing the same punch 30 times, and each time failing. Goes in SSJ2 form, and does the same thing? C'mon, change your moves Goku...
There were no other fights that pointless.
"Lord Beers, what are those?? Do they taste like root beer?" ~ Goku
2. SSGSS Goku vs Golden Frieza - Very uninspired and boring fight. Crappy CGI in the mix too.
1. Beerus vs. Goku 1 (Super) - Wow...just...wow. I'm speechless.
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super
Goku vs Paikuhan, Like, have any of you watched that fight? It's so boring. They just shoot ki blasts at each other. No choreographed fights. It's awful.
Tanooki Kuribo wrote:If Toriyama joined Kanzenshuu, he'd probably forget his login name and password.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:
JacobYBM wrote:No, why would it? It's fiction. The strength of the characters is not possible to reach in reality.
I mean, you're pretty open about looking at cartoon porn. Why would you do that? It's fiction. The proportions of these women are not possible to reach in reality.
ShadowDude112 wrote:Goku vs Paikuhan, Like, have any of you watched that fight? It's so boring. They just shoot ki blasts at each other. No choreographed fights. It's awful.
I agree. Paikhun is cool but I never got why so many people praise that fight.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
