The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

You're notoriously known to over-power the kids. It was a sparring session. Statements are true until contradicted.

There's a difference between "overpowering" and "not nerfing". It was a sparring session where we see the two fighting evenly, which wouldn't be the case if they were not close in power. I agree statements are true until contradicted, we have statements from Gohan expressing concern at Goten surpassing him from play fighting and statements from Trunks and #18 showing they could defeat her with a suppressed blast.

[RandomGuy96]

Science vs Magic: there's no real difference between DB science and DB magic.

The placement of Goten and Trunks: if we're going to play this "true unless contradicted" game, then we have Daizenshuu 7 stating that they're equal to Gohan. Which isn't far off from how the manga actually portrays them. Any excuse that Gohan and Vegeta were suppressing themselves is instantly debunked by the fact that they were both sweating and gritting their teeth in a clear expression of effort. Vegeta even got hit by Trunks and reflexively punched him in turn to get him to stop.

That said, I still wouldn't put them on par with CG Gohan. He was really, really strong. Stronger than the Cell that fought Goku. If Goten or Trunks were stronger than him, then they'd be almost as strong as Goku and Majin Vegeta. I think they're more than half their dads' strength, but I also don't think they gained any huge amount of power during their two weeks in the ROSAT, so Budokai-era Gohan and Vegeta would still be able to beat them.

[h0kuten]

You're notoriously known to over-power the kids. It was a sparring session. Statements are true until contradicted.

There's a difference between "overpowering" and "not nerfing". It was a sparring session where we see the two fighting evenly, which wouldn't be the case if they were not close in power. I agree statements are true until contradicted, we have statements from Gohan expressing concern at Goten surpassing him from play fighting and statements from Trunks and #18 showing they could defeat her with a suppressed blast.

We've also got a statement from 18 suggesting she would end the fight quickly, and she would have probably killed them had they not ran in opposite directions.

Science vs Magic: there's no real difference between DB science and DB magic.

The placement of Goten and Trunks: if we're going to play this "true unless contradicted" game, then we have Daizenshuu 7 stating that they're equal to Gohan. Which isn't far off from how the manga actually portrays them. Any excuse that Gohan and Vegeta were suppressing themselves is instantly debunked by the fact that they were both sweating and gritting their teeth in a clear expression of effort. Vegeta even got hit by Trunks and reflexively punched him in turn to get him to stop.

That said, I still wouldn't put them on par with CG Gohan. He was really, really strong. Stronger than the Cell that fought Goku. If Goten or Trunks were stronger than him, then they'd be almost as strong as Goku and Majin Vegeta. I think they're more than half their dads' strength, but I also don't think they gained any huge amount of power during their two weeks in the ROSAT, so Budokai-era Gohan and Vegeta would still be able to beat them.

Daizenshuu states Gotenks is weaker than Vegeta until the RoSaT.

Daizenshuu 7s statement can be twisted to mean post RoSaT.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

We've also got a statement from 18 suggesting she would end the fight quickly, and she would have probably killed them had they not ran in opposite directions.

With a Kienzan which could cut them in half.

Going by this twisted logic, Krillin is stronger than 2nd form Freeza, since he could've killed Freeza with a Kienzan if Freeza didn't dodge it.

[ahill1]

Android 19(initial) vs Goku SSJ(mecha freeza saga)

[Kamiccolo9]

Android 19(initial) vs Goku SSJ(mecha freeza saga)

Goku walks home with a new toaster.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Android 19(initial) vs Goku SSJ(mecha freeza saga)

Probably around the same power. Goku loses unless he knows about #19's absorption capabilities prior the match.

[Sayo-chan]

I don't think it's a matter of suppression, especially in the case of Vegeta. Trunks was just walking around while Vegeta already looked exhausted. He was also leagues above Gohan, so that by default according to #7 puts him above Trunks.

Dance off-
Beerus VS. Popin' 'n' lockin' Michael Jackson (Off the Wall era)

I think Beerus gets rekt and goes home crying into Whis's shoulder.

[Lord Beerus]

I don't think it's a matter of suppression, especially in the case of Vegeta. Trunks was just walking around while Vegeta already looked exhausted. He was also leagues above Gohan, so that by default according to #7 puts him above Trunks.

Dance off-
Beerus VS. Popin' 'n' lockin' Michael Jackson (Off the Wall era)

I think Beerus gets rekt and goes home crying into Whis's shoulder.

The King Of Pop has got this. He's just too bad.

[supercat]

All right, try these on for size:

Mr. Satan VS. Goku
Conditions -
*No ki based attacks
*Both have a battle power of 10
*Imagine Cell broke it down like he just didn't care, prompting Goku and Mr. Satan to have a match in the Cell Games arena.
*Pretty much a martial arts battle until someone dies or rings out.

Piccolo VS. 17
Conditions -
*Ki can only be used for flight.
*Both have a battle power of 10.
*Cell doesn't exist, Piccolo fights 17 on the island uninterrupted.

Roid Roshi VS. Nappa
Conditions -
*The Saiyans came back sooner than expected.
*Everyone dies but Roshi.
*Both have a battle power of 2,000.
*Vegeta falls asleep because he's bored, so no interference.

Piccolo VS. Imperfect Cell
Conditions -
*Both are set loose on opposite ends of a small planet with lush, dense vegetation, roughly 50 times the size of Kaio's.
*Neither can sense one another's ki.
*Both have an equal battle power roughly the same as Cell before he absorbed 17.

Majin Vegeta VS. Goku
Conditions -
*Majin Boo doesn't exist.
*Vegeta murders all of Goku's friends.
*Both are set on only one coming out alive.
*Equal battle powers.

Gohan-Boo VS. Beerus
Conditions -
*The planet cannot be destroyed.
*Equal battle powers and ki.

Perfect Cell (GT Goku absorbed) VS. Whis
Conditions -
*Fight on Kaio's planet, which is also indestructible.
*Whis can't control time.
*Goku can't escape from Cell's insides.
*Cell retains all of Goku's power during the Super 17 arc.

Broly VS. Beerus and Whis
Conditions -
*Broly killed everyone back in the 8th movie.
*Broly's been growing exponentially stronger up until the fight (BoGs time period).
*Whis can't control time.

-In addition to the fact that Goku is far more seasoned than (the H-word), he's also equipped with superior durability. Toss these two factors in with his adept battle prowess, and the latter has absolutely no chance of winning whatsoever.

-They were basically even in the original timeline, yet neither one was able to completely outshine the other. Piccolo's limited stamina is his greatest disadvantage here, but as long as he plays it smart, goes all out right from the get-go, and uses a strong finisher like Makankosappo, he should have a pretty good chance.

-Regardless of if Nappa was fooling around with his opponents or not, the amount of difficulty he had against weaker foes tells me that he, along with the vast majority of other Saiyans during his time only managed to earn their daunting reputation through sheer strength alone.

-Despite being a strategically gifted fighter, facing off against a biological creation that's fueled by the cells of some of the fiercest fighters in the universe is no walk in the park. That said, I've always felt that Cell's artificially created abilities fell short of their original copies.

-I personally perceive the two of them as near equals when it comes to tactical prowess. That said, Goku being the fighting genius he is, probably holds a slight edge, as was evidenced in their initial fight in the Saiyan arc.

-Although Buuhan may have the wisdom extracted from the mind of Piccolo, and a diverse array of moves courtesy of Gotenks, Beerus still likely has him outclassed in both categories.

-Cell may be a formidable warrior against a handful of fighters, but in the face of Whis, he's nothing but a mere novice.

-I honestly don't see Broly as anything beyond a senseless brute, who sloppily muscles his way into every victory. With his less than ideal intelligence and complete lack of battle ingenuity, it won't be long until he becomes the laughingstock. Regardless, even if we're strictly basing things on strength (his only area of expertise), he would still end up utterly humiliated. This so-called residual increase in power seemed like another over hyped claim that was attached to his name.

Interesting answers.

1. I probably should've made a battle condition about Goku having the same durability as Mr. Satan. I feel as a martial artist he's far more skilled than Goku, someone that's spent most of his time increasing his battle power and all things concerned.
4. What evidence is there to support this beyond filler? He knows everyone's moves, fighting styles and how they act. It'd be like fighting against your clone, but superior in every conceivable way. I almost feel like it would be a Predator type scenario, with Piccolo as Dutch, covering himself in mud to blend in.
5. This seems to be the general consensus, but how exactly does the Saiyan saga promote Goku in any way? Vegeta would have killed him without a second thought had the remaining Z-senshi not been there.
6. What categories?
7. Well, that handful kinda means something when they're pretty much in the top 0.1 percentile or so. I'm not exactly sure what makes Whis a master of anything beyond his time control ability. Unless he's a Xenomorph or some creature with an altered anatomy, there really isn't a "new" way to fight. All of the ki based moves he's shown thus far really aren't that impressive, and if anything, seem far less intimidating than many seen in GT (or before attacks were scaled down after Freeza).
8. I'm sure you would agree though, that Goku is far more of a gifted and knowledgeable fighter than Broly, yet he was torn up like a ragdoll; everyone was. His moves are wrestling based, contrary to what some people seem to think. What could either of them possibly do if Broly was far stronger?

Haven't had the chance to reply to this until now.

1. I honestly doubt Hercule's abilities would prove to be advantageous against a naturally gifted fighter who presumably also has innate warrior instincts encoded in his DNA. Hercule's accomplishments primarily entail beating down normal human competitors in a tournament setting, while Goku has had the opportunity to fight all kinds of different warriors from all over the universe.

4. One could argue that Piccolo's combat prowess reached its pinnacle after reuniting with Kami, due to the senior Namekian's overall knowledge and wisdom. While Cell may be the seemingly perfect clone of some of the fiercest fighters to have ever walked the universe, I personally can't envision an artificially created being like him trumping the ingenuity of his original counterparts. Gero may have been a great scientist, but I seriously doubt he could replicate certain traits in a lab; I think prodigies are what they are for a reason.

5. Believe me, I'm a huge Vegeta fan. As a matter of fact, I'll even openly put it out there that he's my favorite character. That said, Goku seems to be naturally talented, while Vegeta (who is also skilled by default) has to put in the extra work to see notable results. Of course, at the end of the day, a character is only as skilled as the plot allows. In Goku and Vegeta's case, the former definitely has this working in his favor more often than not.

6. Diverse range of moves from Gotenks and wisdom / knowledge from Piccolo. Regardless, just seeing how long Beerus has been around, as well as how he carries himself tells me that he could easily trump anything Buuhan sapped away from Gotenks and Piccolo.

7. Even barring strength, I personally think Whis is the finest warrior that DBZ has to offer from all standpoints (tactical prowess, moves, speed, etc.).

8. That's the thing, I don't think Broly could reach their realm of power by the events of BoG. Beerus alone is worlds above SSJ Vegetto, who could basically obliterate the over hyped legend in the blink of an eye. Throw Whis in there, and yeah..

Interesting debate though, keep 'em coming!

[Sayo-chan]

1. But who's to say Mr. Satan isn't naturally gifted? Goku wouldn't even be in the same weight class. He's a lot smaller than Satan, who seems to have a very strong grappling game, whereas Goku's primary training in martial arts seems to be the completely useless flowery Chinese stuff Bruce Lee debunked in the late 60s. This takes place during the Cell Games, so who exactly has Goku fought across the universe that're aptly skilled in martial arts, and not just a ki powerhouse?

4. That's a fair point, but Cell naturally takes Piccolo's biology to its limits and beyond. Anything a Namekian can naturally do, Cell does better (e.g. regeneration, no need for water, etc.). All I see Piccolo gaining is God's wisdom, which makes him a better strategist, sure, but Cell actively outsmarts Piccolo to the point of making a game out of it. By physiologically and biologically excelling at everything they do, how doesn't that make Cell a prodigy?

5. Yes, but their powers are equal here, there's no shonen nonsense at work. That also doesn't answer exactly how Goku had the edge in the Saiyan arc.

6. Tao Pai Pai carried himself even more highly than Beerus, so how exactly is that an argument? As it stands, Beerus hasn't shown to have even a fraction of the abilities or moves that Boohan has. He also seems to be easily manipulated when it comes to his emotions, so I would say that definitely doesn't work in his favor.

7. I hear this a lot, but what evidence is there to support it? He's just really strong with some broken abilities, both of which are nullified in the conditions.

8. If Broly's supposed to be around Perfect Cell in the first movie and Super Perfect Cell in the second movie, I suppose it would be unrealistic for him to make those gains. I agree there. So, change of conditions:
-Broly's base power is Super Perfect Cell's, so probably around a billion.
-He has LSSJ4 in his arsenal.

[supercat]

1. But who's to say Mr. Satan isn't naturally gifted? Goku wouldn't even be in the same weight class. He's a lot smaller than Satan, who seems to have a very strong grappling game, whereas Goku's primary training in martial arts seems to be the completely useless flowery Chinese stuff Bruce Lee debunked in the late 60s. This takes place during the Cell Games, so who exactly has Goku fought across the universe that're aptly skilled in martial arts, and not just a ki powerhouse?

4. That's a fair point, but Cell naturally takes Piccolo's biology to its limits and beyond. Anything a Namekian can naturally do, Cell does better (e.g. regeneration, no need for water, etc.). All I see Piccolo gaining is God's wisdom, which makes him a better strategist, sure, but Cell actively outsmarts Piccolo to the point of making a game out of it. By physiologically and biologically excelling at everything they do, how doesn't that make Cell a prodigy?

5. Yes, but their powers are equal here, there's no shonen nonsense at work. That also doesn't answer exactly how Goku had the edge in the Saiyan arc.

6. Tao Pai Pai carried himself even more highly than Beerus, so how exactly is that an argument? As it stands, Beerus hasn't shown to have even a fraction of the abilities or moves that Boohan has. He also seems to be easily manipulated when it comes to his emotions, so I would say that definitely doesn't work in his favor.

7. I hear this a lot, but what evidence is there to support it? He's just really strong with some broken abilities, both of which are nullified in the conditions.

8. If Broly's supposed to be around Perfect Cell in the first movie and Super Perfect Cell in the second movie, I suppose it would be unrealistic for him to make those gains. I agree there. So, change of conditions:
-Broly's base power is Super Perfect Cell's, so probably around a billion.
-He has LSSJ4 in his arsenal.

1. Size doesn't appear to be a major contributor in DBZ fights. Both Zarbon and Dodoria were far larger than Vegeta with only a negligible disadvantage in power, and we all know where they ended up. With the amount of skill, and just overall battle instinct that Goku embodies as a warrior, I'm guessing it's going to take a whole lot more than mere grappling prowess to overcome him. As for who Goku has had the privilege of fighting, the most notable ones would be Piccolo, Vegeta, and Frieza. While both Piccolo and Vegeta are showered with plenty of love when it comes to skill, Frieza is not. Therefore, I'll delve into why I think the tyrant sits in the same realm of skill as the other two, and how that would even be applicable to this discussion. Firstly, his uniquely built physique seems to grant him the luxury of being able to acrobatically maneuver his body, and incorporate different techniques (some involving his tail) that many conventional fighters would have a hard time keeping up with. Toss that in with the fact that Goku had to defend himself against 50% Frieza, who was roughly around 20x stronger than he was, and I'm confident that the whole ordeal racked up heck of a lot more experience points than what Hercule may have gained after knocking some human fighters out of the ring (if he even kept that up after his initial championship).

4. Again, I never discredited Cell's abilities as a fighter in any shape or form. All I wanted to say was that it's unlikely that one could replicate something as genuine as being a prodigy in a lab by merely culturing cell samples on a petri dish and then having some computer work it's magic through some unknown algorithm.

5. I don't know, Goku was pretty darn effective when it came down to executing his Kaioken with precision, and seemed to have had the keen sense to use it at the right times. Because the multiplier effect of the attack put him a few notches above Vegeta, I'd say it makes up for the latter's initial advantage and more or less puts them both on a level playing field. Wow, I can't believe I'm actually defending Goku over Vegeta here.

6.You're right, Tao Pai Pai was pretty impressive in how he carried himself. As a matter of fact, I'd say he's up there in terms of pure prowess and technique. Shoot, I'd hate to see how much of a powerhouse he'd be if was somehow given some kind of hax. Going back on topic, we have to factor in Beerus' years of experience, and the fact that he's Whis' student into equation here. The best Buuhan had to offer was Gotenks' moves and Piccolo's wisdom, both of which I doubt would even trouble a Whis trained Beerus.

7. Well he must have more qualifications than just brute strength and the ability to travel back in time for him to be able to train a powerhouse like Beerus.

8. Broly still loses. GT Goku / Vegeta were insanely powerful when they obtained SSJ4, and they're both implied to be worlds below Beerus, let alone Whis. I would say at the highest, somewhere between Frieza's hypothetical third form (FnF) and his final form (FnF) would be where the over hyped legend ends up.

[singsing]

7. Well he must have more qualifications than just brute strength and the ability to travel back in time for him to be able to train a powerhouse like Beerus.

There's that RoF training where Whis shows how he can fight without thinking and his limbs all move independently.

[Sayo-chan]

1. Yes, but this nullifies ki completely. It's basically just a martial arts battle. Remember their battle powers are both 10, so I would definitely say it factors in (strength+weight). What's special about Goku's battle instinct? That's vague. We're pretty much throwing special powers out the window, so what does his battle instinct do? It's been theorized that to be an efficient killer/fighter you have to have a bloodlust, so presumably Mr. Satan has that. Grappling in an arena can make or break a fighter, so it's a pretty big deal. Look at Ali vs Inoki. Boxing alone proved to be highly inefficient against catch wrestling. Look at wing chun in general. It's superior to mantis and plumb fist, yet it still falls short, because there's an inherent problem with traditional Chinese martial arts. Goku's moves are extremely flashy, which makes them all the more impractical when you don't have super powers to back you up.

Piccolo I will agree seems to be highly skilled, but Vegeta? He shows good form and technique here and there, but he primarily relies on ki, like everyone at that point. So what would Goku have learned from him via a martial arts standpoint? Probably nothing. Maybe how not to get stomped on? Now Freeza, Freeza has an anatomical advantage over Goku. However, I'm fairly sure Freeza doesn't know any martial arts whatsoever, as you seemed to point out. Mr. Satan isn't like Freeza, so the moves he learned to defend against a small anaerobic creature with a tail are fairly useless, especially considering biting seems to be the only thing. If we take away the ki aspect, what experience has he gained? He increased his battle power, which was the deciding factor throughout the fight. That isn't relevant here. I wouldn't underestimate humans so easily. If we ignore battle powers and special techniques, I very much so doubt Goku would have it so easy. It basically comes down to three factors, no? Strength, speed and skill. Satan's got superior strength. Speed? Hard to say. Goku should naturally have better acceleration, but Satan's gonna hit a lot harder (f=m*a). So if Goku gets pinned under Satan's weight in a way that he's too weak to break free from, then what?

4. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then. Although, it is pretty much magic.

5. Yes, but it wasn't that effective. Kaio-ken destroyed Goku's body. Its result really just pissed Vegeta off and made him turn into an Oozaru. Vegeta, after getting his ass whooped, half blind and soaked in blood is still standing.

6. Does not the Boohan have the years of experience as well though? Is he not a creature that was around before the time? Who knows what experience he racked up when he wasn't sealed up. Even if we ignore that and say he's ignorant of most of it, doesn't he have most of their memories, meaning they're pretty much part of his life, collectively? If you create a clone with everything you know, how is he not you beyond your conscious attention? If their power is equal, I'm still not understanding what gives Beerus an edge. It seems to follow as, "because he's Beerus, he's been around a long time and trained by someone we really don't know much about".

7. He might, he might not. We have to go by what we have. As far as we know, his greater power than Beerus is what allows him to train him. Can you imagine him taking him seriously if he could easily curb stomp him? Why exactly would he need any special abilities if nobody can touch him? The more power goes up, the less of a requirement there is for actual realistic fighting skills. That said, this also really sounds like, "Whis is Whis, so he probably has super secret powers because he's a god". Martial arts only really changes if your anatomy is significantly different, like Freeza's. Now Cell, he has the power of SSJ4 at his disposal, at least that's how I'm interpreting it in the conditions. I could say the timelines are the same, Cell can do Kaio-ken x180 or their battle powers are the same, but I figured they'd be within each other's range without all that. Granted Cell can still use Kaio-ken, presumably better than Goku. In fact, if both the manga and anime took techniques that everyone had, gave them to Cell but better, why couldn't he have a sort of... perfect Kaio-ken? I'd imagine that to be a boost without repercussions, but I digress. What do we know about Whis that would give him an edge that isn't bared from the fight?

8. Where exactly is that implied...? How could it be? GT hasn't happened yet, might not happen at all. Is this what you're referring to:

After Goku and Vegeta use a merging item to merge, they become Vegetto! They can furthermore become a Super Saiyan, making them Super Vegetto! After the two strongest people merge, they become the greatest master in the universe! Perhaps even stronger than Super Saiyan 4!

In conjunction with Goku's unreliable guess about Vegetto being reliable against Beerus? First, the guidebook says perhaps, so there's nothing definitive, just that at some point in GT SSJ4 as a transformation would be. This can be taken one of two ways, that if Goku or Vegeta went SSJ4 at that moment, it might not be as effective as Vegetto. The other, that SSJ4 might be inferior to Vegetto as a whole. Again, it's one big maybe. I'd take it with a grain of salt. Second, Goku has no idea what Vegetto's limits are, and Vegetto doesn't either, so how would he know? It's guesswork. More over, LSSJ4 > SSJ4. I don't see how that puts him below Taco Bell Freeza.

There's that RoF training where Whis shows how he can fight without thinking and his limbs all move independently.

I've heard this from another user here. I reject it outright. It's nonsensical. You're not supposed to think when it comes to basic hybrid eclecticism, so there's nothing special about that. Now, his limbs moving independently is the kicker, Boo can do that. So what? Your limbs work together to be able to things, it seems incredibly counterproductive.

[DBZAOTA482]

Videl vs. Kim Pissoble
Jackie Chun (22nd Budokai) vs. Chi-Chi ( Pre-Boo Saga DBZ )

[Galan007]

Future Pure Boo from DBZ: Shin Budokai - Another Road.
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Future_Kid_Buu

VS.

SSJ2 Gogeta.

[Lord Beerus]

Videl vs. Kim Pissoble
Jackie Chun (22nd Budokai) vs. Chi-Chi ( Pre-Boo Saga DBZ )

- Kim Possible is more cunning, strategic and savvy in battle. So I'm going with her.
- Well, the anime stated that Chi Chi trained Goten and was able to handle getting kicked by SSJ Goten, which would suggest Chi Chi got stronger, albeit being filler. So I guess I'm backing Chi Chi on this one.

[ZombieVito]

Science vs Magic: there's no real difference between DB science and DB magic.

The placement of Goten and Trunks: if we're going to play this "true unless contradicted" game, then we have Daizenshuu 7 stating that they're equal to Gohan. Which isn't far off from how the manga actually portrays them. Any excuse that Gohan and Vegeta were suppressing themselves is instantly debunked by the fact that they were both sweating and gritting their teeth in a clear expression of effort. Vegeta even got hit by Trunks and reflexively punched him in turn to get him to stop.

That said, I still wouldn't put them on par with CG Gohan. He was really, really strong. Stronger than the Cell that fought Goku. If Goten or Trunks were stronger than him, then they'd be almost as strong as Goku and Majin Vegeta. I think they're more than half their dads' strength, but I also don't think they gained any huge amount of power during their two weeks in the ROSAT, so Budokai-era Gohan and Vegeta would still be able to beat them.

We just can't ignore their performance in the training for the 25th TB. They should be very strong. After RoSaT I have them equal to Kid Gohan and barely weaker than Teen Gohan after his TB training.

Teen Gohan IMO is just 80% on Goku and Majin Vegeta. Should be enough of a gap for the kids (77.77%).

[RandomGuy96]

I don't think anyone can defeat Gohan-Buu at equal power levels. He has some of the most broken abilities ever (absorption, Candy Beam, regeneration, Kamikaze Ghosts, etc.), the ability to copy any technique he sees instantly (so even if your techniques are by some miracle superior to his, that advantage will soon be taken away), a wide variety of techniques right off the bat (all of Super Buu's, Piccolo's, Gotenks', and Gohan's), Super Buu's signature pragmatism and cunning, the wisdom of three gods, and infinite stamina. The last bit is especially important. You need to beat him down hard to get an opening to finish him off; otherwise, he'll keep coming back endlessly, at full power, while you tire out.

He's the perfect warrior, and absolutely impossible to defeat unless you're a decent bit stronger than him. The only one who might have a shot is another Buu. Beerus in particular would be fucked. If Buuhan spits out a Kamikaze Ghost, how would Beerus react? He'd probably hit in and get blown up.

[saunasolmu]

I've heard this from another user here. I reject it outright. It's nonsensical. You're not supposed to think when it comes to basic hybrid eclecticism, so there's nothing special about that. Now, his limbs moving independently is the kicker, Boo can do that. So what? Your limbs work together to be able to things, it seems incredibly counterproductive.

Yeah, and doing a pose that makes a ki wave which vaporizes your opponent is incredibly nonsensical as well, if you look it at real life standards. But this is a work of fiction, and if something is stated to be way more effective than anything that anyone before has done, then it is.

And in real life even if you use your reflexes the signal has to go to your spine first. Whis explained that it's each body part reacting independently, which is something no human in real world is capable of.