New Animation VS Old Animation

Discussion regarding the entirety of the franchise in a general (meta) sense, including such aspects as: production, trends, merchandise, fan culture, and more.
User avatar
SuicidalZerg
Beyond-the-Beyond Newbie
Posts: 326
Joined: Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:01 am
Location: Utah, United States.
Contact:

Re: New Animation VS Old Animation

Post by SuicidalZerg » Tue Aug 11, 2015 2:02 am

Metalwario64 wrote:That is awesome! Here's my completed version of the SS3 Goku shot:

Image
I really think TOEI should just hire you, man... you are a savior.
Nozawaberries commercial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mdqta3iB6ZM

Twitch stream: http://www.twitch.tv/suicidalzerg
Planet Minecraft skins: http://www.planetminecraft.com/member/son_gohan/
Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/SC2SuicidalZerg
NA Battle tag: SuicidalZerg.158
MC username: SuicidalZerg

User avatar
Puto
I Live Here
Posts: 2668
Joined: Wed Oct 08, 2008 3:40 am
Location: Portugal, Oeiras

Re: New Animation VS Old Animation

Post by Puto » Tue Aug 11, 2015 3:03 am

Am I the only one here who thinks Metalwario's correction really isn't all THAT amazing? I mean, it's not awful or anything, but you're acting like it's the second coming of Toriyama or something.
Blue wrote:I love how Season 2 is so off color even the box managed to be so.

User avatar
Sayo-chan
Regular
Posts: 534
Joined: Sat Mar 07, 2015 7:37 am

Re: New Animation VS Old Animation

Post by Sayo-chan » Tue Aug 11, 2015 3:05 am

Puto wrote:Am I the only one here who thinks Metalwario's correction really isn't all THAT amazing? I mean, it's not awful or anything, but you're acting like it's the second coming of Toriyama or something.
Ditto.

I'd prefer if it were reminiscent of the Saiyan-Namek arc art styles.
Most Dragon Ball fans are incapable of making a logically sound argument.

User avatar
Zenkai
Beyond-the-Beyond Newbie
Posts: 339
Joined: Tue Dec 23, 2008 4:17 pm
Location: Somewhere

Re: New Animation VS Old Animation

Post by Zenkai » Tue Aug 11, 2015 3:25 am

Hey guys, I can take poor shots from DBZ and say that DBZ had horrible animation just like what you guys are doing for Super.

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

You can't judge an entire series on a few poor shots.

User avatar
Sayo-chan
Regular
Posts: 534
Joined: Sat Mar 07, 2015 7:37 am

Re: New Animation VS Old Animation

Post by Sayo-chan » Tue Aug 11, 2015 3:53 am

Very few people are doing that. Stop generalizing everyone here. That last shot also comes from an episode with decent animation.
Most Dragon Ball fans are incapable of making a logically sound argument.

User avatar
Zenkai
Beyond-the-Beyond Newbie
Posts: 339
Joined: Tue Dec 23, 2008 4:17 pm
Location: Somewhere

Re: New Animation VS Old Animation

Post by Zenkai » Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:06 am

I just watched the fight. The frames posted here are barely noticeable unless you pause the video on one of them. The only significantly noticeable poor shot is when Goku stands still for several seconds with Beerus on the left of the screen and King Kai behind them.

User avatar
TheGmGoken
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 10592
Joined: Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:19 pm
Location: Capsule Corps

Re: New Animation VS Old Animation

Post by TheGmGoken » Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:16 am

Zenkai wrote:I just watched the fight. The frames posted here are barely noticeable unless you pause the video on one of them. The only significantly noticeable poor shot is when Goku stands still for several seconds with Beerus on the left of the screen and King Kai behind them.
I noticed them without pausing very easily. Same with the old DBZ animation if it's too bad. Super 5 was just a terrible ass animated episode like how Z sometimes had it. It happens. Doesn't mean people won't complain about it.
Last edited by TheGmGoken on Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:18 am, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Sayo-chan
Regular
Posts: 534
Joined: Sat Mar 07, 2015 7:37 am

Re: New Animation VS Old Animation

Post by Sayo-chan » Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:17 am

Goku's horribly off model throughout the entire episode, whether it's in stills or animations. I noticed several things without having to pause anything. Even the electricity doesn't flow right. This threads about animation, Super isn't exempt because it's a new ongoing serial.
Most Dragon Ball fans are incapable of making a logically sound argument.

User avatar
Metalwario64
Born 'n Bred Here
Posts: 6265
Joined: Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:02 am
Location: Namek

Re: New Animation VS Old Animation

Post by Metalwario64 » Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:20 am

Puto wrote:Am I the only one here who thinks Metalwario's correction really isn't all THAT amazing? I mean, it's not awful or anything, but you're acting like it's the second coming of Toriyama or something.
Yeah. There are still things about my drawing that bug me, and I couldn't do any variable line width because GIMP doesn't like my tablet. :(

Plus, I am NOT an animator. I really don't know much about the trade, though I admit to dabbling with some here and there... with really unsatisfying results.
Sayo-chan wrote:
Puto wrote:Am I the only one here who thinks Metalwario's correction really isn't all THAT amazing? I mean, it's not awful or anything, but you're acting like it's the second coming of Toriyama or something.
Ditto.

I'd prefer if it were reminiscent of the Saiyan-Namek arc art styles.
Heh, I was just trying to emulate Yamamuro's current style. :lol:
"Kenshi is sitting down right now drawing his mutated spaghetti monsters thinking he's the shit..."--Neptune Kai
"90% of you here don't even know what you're talking about (there are a few that do). But the things you say about these releases are nonsense and just plain dumb. Like you Metalwario64"--final_flash

User avatar
Sayo-chan
Regular
Posts: 534
Joined: Sat Mar 07, 2015 7:37 am

Re: New Animation VS Old Animation

Post by Sayo-chan » Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:24 am

Metalwario64 wrote: Yeah. There are still things about my drawing that bug me, and I couldn't do any variable line width because GIMP doesn't like my tablet. :(
What kind of tablet is it?
Most Dragon Ball fans are incapable of making a logically sound argument.

User avatar
Metalwario64
Born 'n Bred Here
Posts: 6265
Joined: Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:02 am
Location: Namek

Re: New Animation VS Old Animation

Post by Metalwario64 » Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:30 am

A cheapo Monoprice I bought off of Amazon a couple of years ago.
"Kenshi is sitting down right now drawing his mutated spaghetti monsters thinking he's the shit..."--Neptune Kai
"90% of you here don't even know what you're talking about (there are a few that do). But the things you say about these releases are nonsense and just plain dumb. Like you Metalwario64"--final_flash

User avatar
Attitudefan
I Live Here
Posts: 2963
Joined: Tue Aug 03, 2010 9:51 pm
Location: Canada

Re: New Animation VS Old Animation

Post by Attitudefan » Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:32 am

Metalwario64 wrote:
Sayo-chan wrote:
Puto wrote:Am I the only one here who thinks Metalwario's correction really isn't all THAT amazing? I mean, it's not awful or anything, but you're acting like it's the second coming of Toriyama or something.
Ditto.

I'd prefer if it were reminiscent of the Saiyan-Namek arc art styles.
Heh, I was just trying to emulate Yamamuro's current style. :lol:
It isn't really worth it to emulate Yamamuro because everyone does it and it doesn't even look good. Get better at drawing the Saiyan arc style and become a leader of a movement that will eventually effect Toei.
My favourite art style (and animation) outside Toriyama who worked on Dragon Ball: Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru, Masaki Satō, Minoru Maeda, Takeo Ide, Hisashi Eguchi, Katsumi Aoshima, Tomekichi Takeuchi, Masahiro Shimanuki, Kazuya Hisada

User avatar
Metalwario64
Born 'n Bred Here
Posts: 6265
Joined: Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:02 am
Location: Namek

Re: New Animation VS Old Animation

Post by Metalwario64 » Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:52 am

Attitudefan wrote:Get better at drawing the Saiyan arc style and become a leader of a movement that will eventually effect Toei.
Haha, you're greatly overestimating me if you believe I could ever influence Toei, or any company for that matter. :lol:
"Kenshi is sitting down right now drawing his mutated spaghetti monsters thinking he's the shit..."--Neptune Kai
"90% of you here don't even know what you're talking about (there are a few that do). But the things you say about these releases are nonsense and just plain dumb. Like you Metalwario64"--final_flash

User avatar
Attitudefan
I Live Here
Posts: 2963
Joined: Tue Aug 03, 2010 9:51 pm
Location: Canada

Re: New Animation VS Old Animation

Post by Attitudefan » Tue Aug 11, 2015 8:08 am

Metalwario64 wrote:
Attitudefan wrote:Get better at drawing the Saiyan arc style and become a leader of a movement that will eventually effect Toei.
Haha, you're greatly overestimating me if you believe I could ever influence Toei, or any company for that matter. :lol:
Hey man, I'm sure KaiserNeko was saying the same thing back in 2006.
My favourite art style (and animation) outside Toriyama who worked on Dragon Ball: Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru, Masaki Satō, Minoru Maeda, Takeo Ide, Hisashi Eguchi, Katsumi Aoshima, Tomekichi Takeuchi, Masahiro Shimanuki, Kazuya Hisada

User avatar
Noah
Kicks it Old-School
Posts: 8324
Joined: Thu Mar 19, 2015 10:56 pm
Location: Virtual World

Re: New Animation VS Old Animation

Post by Noah » Tue Aug 11, 2015 9:18 am

Just a comparison:

Image
乃亜

Dragon Ball: The Others Discussion Thread

Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?

User avatar
jjgp1112
Kicks it Old-School
Posts: 7769
Joined: Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:15 pm
Location: Crooklyn

Re: New Animation VS Old Animation

Post by jjgp1112 » Tue Aug 11, 2015 10:07 am

Why are fans on the other side of the world so naive that they think they can influence Toei with a couple of fan drawings on the internet?
Yamcha: Do you remember the spell to release him - do you know all the words?
Bulma: Of course! I'm not gonna pull a Frieza and screw it up!
Master Roshi: Bulma, I think Frieza failed because he wore too many clothes!
Cold World (Fanfic)
"It ain't never too late to stop bein' a bitch." - Chad Lamont Butler

User avatar
Attitudefan
I Live Here
Posts: 2963
Joined: Tue Aug 03, 2010 9:51 pm
Location: Canada

Re: New Animation VS Old Animation

Post by Attitudefan » Tue Aug 11, 2015 10:18 am

jjgp1112 wrote:Why are fans on the other side of the world so naive that they think they can influence Toei with a couple of fan drawings on the internet?
Oh come on! Nobody was supposed to take that comment seriously :lol:
My favourite art style (and animation) outside Toriyama who worked on Dragon Ball: Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru, Masaki Satō, Minoru Maeda, Takeo Ide, Hisashi Eguchi, Katsumi Aoshima, Tomekichi Takeuchi, Masahiro Shimanuki, Kazuya Hisada

User avatar
JulieYBM
Patreon Supporter
Posts: 18557
Joined: Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:25 pm
Location: 🏳️‍⚧️🍉

Re: New Animation VS Old Animation

Post by JulieYBM » Tue Aug 11, 2015 11:28 am

Quick, somebody hire Ryoo-Chimo as the character designer so we can get designs better than any previous look!

I actually thought Gokuu's reaction to Beers' second attack was okay. Animators don't need to copy others' drawings to express their own ideas. It was a perfectly fine expression, the 'correction' just turns it into a comical one, rather than one of shock and pain so great it contorts his body.
💙💜💖 She/Her 💙💜💖

User avatar
LonelyShadow
Beyond Newbie
Posts: 118
Joined: Fri Jul 24, 2015 9:09 am

Re: New Animation VS Old Animation

Post by LonelyShadow » Tue Aug 11, 2015 12:16 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:That is awesome! Here's my completed version of the SS3 Goku shot:

Image
Golden clothes on SSJ3 Goku? Hells yeah! :thumbup:

I've never liked how did they change that with the most recent animations, I know that makes it closer to the manga, but I prefer it when the change in colors for the clothes is more drastic with each transformation.

User avatar
h0kuten
Banned
Posts: 853
Joined: Sun Nov 30, 2014 1:24 pm

Re: New Animation VS Old Animation

Post by h0kuten » Tue Aug 11, 2015 12:43 pm

Noah wrote:Just a comparison:

Image
IT IS THE SECOND COMING OF TORIYAMA!

Locked