Was Goku right to let Gohan fight Cell?
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Was Goku right to let Gohan fight Cell?
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Was Goku right to let Gohan fight Cell? I personally think so. After all, he had gained a lot of power in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. Makes sense that he would trust him to save the world. (EDIT: This is not actually my real opinion. I was in a hurry to start the failed joke.)
But before you make your response to this, watch the clip above, even if you have seen it before. It'll let your mind be refreshed on the topic at hand.
Was Goku right to let Gohan fight Cell? I personally think so. After all, he had gained a lot of power in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. Makes sense that he would trust him to save the world. (EDIT: This is not actually my real opinion. I was in a hurry to start the failed joke.)
But before you make your response to this, watch the clip above, even if you have seen it before. It'll let your mind be refreshed on the topic at hand.
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Re: Was Goku right to let Gohan fight Cell?
No. It was reckless gambling. Cell could've killed Gohan at any point before he went SSJ2. He could've killed all of them, at once too. Giving him a Senzu bean is the main catalyst for his stupidity.
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Re: Was Goku right to let Gohan fight Cell?
You didn't watch the video, didn't you?Sayo-chan wrote:No. It was reckless gambling. Cell could've killed Gohan at any point before he went SSJ2. He could've killed all of them, at once too. Giving him a Senzu bean is the main catalyst for his stupidity.
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Re: Was Goku right to let Gohan fight Cell?
I did and I don't like John Cena or see how the clip is at all relevant, especially considering it's the dub.SuperSaiyanHedgehog wrote:You didn't watch the video, didn't you?Sayo-chan wrote:No. It was reckless gambling. Cell could've killed Gohan at any point before he went SSJ2. He could've killed all of them, at once too. Giving him a Senzu bean is the main catalyst for his stupidity.
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Oh...Sayo-chan wrote:I did and I don't like John Cena or see how the clip is at all relevant, especially considering it's the dub.SuperSaiyanHedgehog wrote:You didn't watch the video, didn't you?Sayo-chan wrote:No. It was reckless gambling. Cell could've killed Gohan at any point before he went SSJ2. He could've killed all of them, at once too. Giving him a Senzu bean is the main catalyst for his stupidity.
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Re: Was Goku right to let Gohan fight Cell?
In the long run, yes cuz it allowed Gohan to be more confident in his powers but for short term... no, didn't need to happen.
Eat senzu, gang up on Cell, end.
Eat senzu, gang up on Cell, end.
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I always wondered why Goku just didn't tell Gohan that he had hidden powers that come out when he's angry. It's not like telling him would've stopped these powers from being released.
The smartest thing Goku could've done is finish the full year in the RoSaT and use the extra time to teach Gohan how to unleash his rage powers. After all, Goku thought him how to go and maintain SSJ.
The smartest thing Goku could've done is finish the full year in the RoSaT and use the extra time to teach Gohan how to unleash his rage powers. After all, Goku thought him how to go and maintain SSJ.
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Re: Was Goku right to let Gohan fight Cell?
It was a gamble to get him to SSJ2 in time, just like it was a gamble to get Gotenks ready to fight Boo as a SSJ. That being said, I don't think they had any other choice. But with Boo, Goku wanted to be a dick and lie about his ability to beat Fat Boo in favor of Gotenks saving the day.
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Goku pretty much had to have Gohan fight Cell, it was the only option. If Gohan doesn't fight Cell, earth is finished. That said, Goku is at fault for not letting Gohan in on his plan for defeating Cell and gambling that Gohan would become angry enough to unlock his hidden potential. It paid off in the end, but still, it was a huge gamble.
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Re: Was Goku right to let Gohan fight Cell?
Goku was extremely confident in Gohan beating Cell, hence why he even gave Cell the senzu to begin with. He didn't tell him because he didn't want him to worry about it and for him to relax during the 10 days. He could've never guessed Gohan's mental barriers which held him back during the Cell Games.Hero wrote:I always wondered why Goku just didn't tell Gohan that he had hidden powers that come out when he's angry. It's not like telling him would've stopped these powers from being released.
The smartest thing Goku could've done is finish the full year in the RoSaT and use the extra time to teach Gohan how to unleash his rage powers. After all, Goku thought him how to go and maintain SSJ.
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He would be a dumbass if he didn't let Gohan fight Cell, regardless of his feelings. Giving Cell a senzu bean was stupid but it allowed growth for Goku's character.
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Re: Was Goku right to let Gohan fight Cell?
Exactly this. Although I don't think the whole senzu bean thing wasn't as stupid as people say. A big mistake yes, but not stupid. Especially considering how sure Goku was of Gohan's power which was very understandable since he was the one who witnessed Gohan's power in the RoSaT and knew that he could summon great power by thinking about anger. He even gauged Cell's power before the fight just to make sure, and in the end Gohan's power was just as much of a game changer as Goku predicted.Doctor. wrote:He would be a dumbass if he didn't let Gohan fight Cell, regardless of his feelings. Giving Cell a senzu bean was stupid but it allowed growth for Goku's character.
Not to mention the character of Goku, the same guy who in the last world tournament didn't want others to interfere while Piccolo (ironically enough) was torturing him to death sorely to stick to the rules of the tournament (i.e fair fight) which was thrown out of the window at that point. It only makes sense that Goku, who thought Gohan would easily beat Cell, would give Cell a senzu.
He just didn't take Gohan's mentality into account, which was something he had no indication of beforehand (Because the Cell Games was a unique situation for both of them). Heck, the fact that people think Gohan was OOC during the Cell Games further supports that.
And like you said, it played a big part in Goku's growth. It was the first time his own mistake hit him that hard. Because like Piccolo said, his nature caused Gohan to think his father values a fair fight over his life and his nature is practically unshakable due to it being a big part of his Saiyan DNA. Not only did he nearly cause the earth's destruction because of his unshakable nature, but nearly caused the death of his son as a result of misjudging his personality. This definitely had a huge impact on his character and was part of what made him feel the earth is safer without him.
I tell ya, the Cell Games was the peak of DBZ storytelling wise.
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He's a dumbass for giving him a Senzu. All Cell would have to do is kill Gohan instead of torturing him and plan failed. A Kamehameha like the one he shot at SSJ2 Gohan would kill them all easily.Doctor. wrote:He would be a dumbass if he didn't let Gohan fight Cell, regardless of his feelings. Giving Cell a senzu bean was stupid but it allowed growth for Goku's character.
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Well, Gohan was stronger than Goku even as an SSJ1. Goku knew Cell would suppress his power like he did when he fought Goku because like Cell himself said, he'd rather have a close fight.Sayo-chan wrote:He's a dumbass for giving him a Senzu. All Cell would have to do is kill Gohan instead of torturing him and plan failed. A Kamehameha like the one he shot at SSJ2 Gohan would kill them all easily.Doctor. wrote:He would be a dumbass if he didn't let Gohan fight Cell, regardless of his feelings. Giving Cell a senzu bean was stupid but it allowed growth for Goku's character.
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I saw this clip yesterday, OP. Funny. lol.
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Re: Was Goku right to let Gohan fight Cell?
Exactly. It was a "do or die" situation. Everything suggests that Perfect Cell was too much for Goku.Lord Beerus wrote:Goku pretty much had to have Gohan fight Cell, it was the only option. If Gohan doesn't fight Cell, earth is finished. That said, Goku is at fault for not letting Gohan in on his plan for defeating Cell and gambling that Gohan would become angry enough to unlock his hidden potential. It paid off in the end, but still, it was a huge gamble.
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Goku flat out states he had chance against Perfect Cell way before actually fighting him. He was pretty much banking everything on Gohan to win. There was no Plan B.LowRyder2005 wrote:Exactly. It was a "do or die" situation. Everything suggests that Perfect Cell was too much for Goku.Lord Beerus wrote:Goku pretty much had to have Gohan fight Cell, it was the only option. If Gohan doesn't fight Cell, earth is finished. That said, Goku is at fault for not letting Gohan in on his plan for defeating Cell and gambling that Gohan would become angry enough to unlock his hidden potential. It paid off in the end, but still, it was a huge gamble.
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Re: Was Goku right to let Gohan fight Cell?
Nobody else could have faced Cell. Gohan was the only choice. He and Goku were equals when they exited the time chamber. Vegeta and Trunks were 2-3x weaker.
The only thing we SHOULD be griping about is Goku giving Cell a senzu bean. Cell never asked for one, and in my opinion Gohan could have taken Cell without a problem, without the SSJ2 rage transformation.
The only thing we SHOULD be griping about is Goku giving Cell a senzu bean. Cell never asked for one, and in my opinion Gohan could have taken Cell without a problem, without the SSJ2 rage transformation.
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I disagree. I'm sure Cell was still suppressed before taking the senzu.Eternal Super Saiyan wrote: in my opinion Gohan could have taken Cell without a problem, without the SSJ2 rage transformation.
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Re: Was Goku right to let Gohan fight Cell?
He was. Cell was at 50% full power when he fought both Goku and Gohan. But in his current state and if he didn't take the senzu bean, he'd have lost easily.TheUltimateVegito wrote:I disagree. I'm sure Cell was still suppressed before taking the senzu.Eternal Super Saiyan wrote: in my opinion Gohan could have taken Cell without a problem, without the SSJ2 rage transformation.
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