Discussion, generally of an in-universe nature, regarding any aspect of the franchise (including movies, spin-offs, etc.) such as: techniques, character relationships, internal back-history, its universe, and more.
TheGmGoken wrote:Deathstroke vs Master Roshi(21st TB)
Young Justice (TV series) Superboy vs Saiyan arc Gohan
Cyborg, Lex Luther, Oracle , and Tim Drake (the geeks) vs Gero, Bulma, Dr.Briefs, and GT Trunks (fighting and how smart they are).
- Roshi annihilates Deathstroke
- Superboy
- Team 1 takes this
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Killua Zoldyck from Hunter x Hunter vs Mr. Popo from Dragon Ball
Supposing both fighters have reaction time compared to the speed of lightning and Killua can maintain Godspeed mode for half a hour, who has the most chances of winning?
Killua Zoldyck from Hunter x Hunter vs Mr. Popo from Dragon Ball
Supposing both fighters have reaction time compared to the speed of lightning and Killua can maintain Godspeed mode for half a hour, who has the most chances of winning?
Popo wins rather easily, seeing as how the most a Hunter x Hunter character was capable of was destroying a bunch of mountains. I think Daimao is enough to defeat anyone in the Hunter x Hunter universe, so far at least.
DBZAOTA482 wrote:Akane Tendo vs Videl (25th Budokai) ; Restrction: No flight unless she's losing Videl (Great Saiyaman) vs. Ranfan; Both are half-naked
- It could honestly go either way. My gut tells me Akane would win.
- Ranfan kicks Videls ass so badly
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Killua Zoldyck from Hunter x Hunter vs Mr. Popo from Dragon Ball
Supposing both fighters have reaction time compared to the speed of lightning and Killua can maintain Godspeed mode for half a hour, who has the most chances of winning?
Popo wins rather easily, seeing as how the most a Hunter x Hunter character was capable of was destroying a bunch of mountains. I think Daimao is enough to defeat anyone in the Hunter x Hunter universe, so far at least.
When it comes to power, you may be right, but Killua's reaction time seems to exceed everything Goku did when he fought Mr. Popo. Godspeed allows his body to move even before he is fully concious about his opponent's hostility.
Hugo Boss wrote:
When it comes to power, you may be right, but Killua's reaction time seems to exceed everything Goku did when he fought Mr. Popo. Godspeed allows his body to move even before he is fully concious about his opponent's hostility.
Given the way Mr. Popo acted when Goku first encountered him, would there even be any hostility to unconsciously pick up on?
"Actually I didn’t know what Bulma’s real hair color was" --Toriyama
Hugo Boss wrote:
When it comes to power, you may be right, but Killua's reaction time seems to exceed everything Goku did when he fought Mr. Popo. Godspeed allows his body to move even before he is fully concious about his opponent's hostility.
Given the way Mr. Popo acted when Goku first encountered him, would there even be any hostility to unconsciously pick up on?
That's why I think this wouldn't be an one-sided pummeling. Mr. Popo can move so fast that his hostility can't be felt at all, at least by Goku back then.
Captain Space wrote:That's true. Although I was more thinking that there isn't any hostility to sense at all, he's so tranquil when he's in the zone.
Maybe it's not exactly about hostility, but more about the bioeletrical impulses from mind to body. It exerts an invisible aura that sign the intention to attack. Godspeed's aura acts like the body receives the same impulses from opponents' mind and he moves accordingly.
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
ahill1 wrote:Gohan SSJ ( 25th Budokai ) vs Goku SSJ ( cell games )
Goten SSJ ( post rosat ) and Kid Trunks SSJ ( post rosat ) vs Gohan SSJ ( cell games )
Chi Chi ( 23rd Budokai ) vs Lunch ( bad )
That Teen Gohan is a stronger version of Kid Gohan. Goku gets beat in seconds.
They have a real shot to win if they work well together.
DBZAOTA482 wrote:Chi-Chi (23rd Budokai) vs. Tao Pai Pai (organic)
Chi-Chi one shots him. She is way stronger than post Karin Goku.
DBZAOTA482 wrote:Videl (Great Saiyaman) vs. Ranfan; Both are half-naked
To be honest I'm having doubts Videl got stronger by Ki training. If she didn't then Ranfan beats her easily.
Zombie wrote:
That Teen Gohan is a stronger version of Kid Gohan. Goku gets beat in seconds.
Wasn't Buu Saga Gohan explicitly stated to be weaker than he was as a kid, multiple times?
Only as a SSJ2.
We also have this:
Many years after the battle with Cell, Gohan had become a high school student. Due to either Chi Chi's influence or him neglecting to train, his strength hadn't changed since he was a boy.
And this:
During the Tenkaichi Budoukai he transforms at Kibito's request. Because he couldn't gain power from anger and because he hadn't been training, he doesn't have the same battle power as when he defeated Cell.
Herms wrote:Chapter: 444 (DBZ 250), P7.1-4
Gohan: “Well, I’ve become a Super Saiyan. Now what? Is it alright if I fight like this?”
Kibito: “…Wh-what tremendous power…I can’t believe he’s a being of the lower world!”
Vegeta: “…Hmph…That bastard, he was far, far better when he killed Cell. It’s because he slacked off in his training during peacetime…”
Kaioshin: “…No, even so this is magnificent energy, more so than I imagined…I wonder if I’ll be able to stop this power…”
Goku: “…Stop it?”
Chapter: 455 (DBZ 261), P6.1-2
Context: as Dabra fights Gohan
Goku: “Magic, huh? He’s way stronger than I thought, ain’t he?”
Vegeta: “Hmph…Even so, he’s not an opponent [he? we?] can’t win against. [Gohan]’s so pathetic…So much so that he was stronger as a brat…”
Goku: “He really did slack off!”
It seems rather implied he's overall weaker.
Most Dragon Ball fans are incapable of making a logically sound argument.
SSJ4 Goku (Buu Saga) vs Ultimate Gohan. (In this case, we're talking about a hypothetical golden SSJ4 transformation that works more like the SSJ3, it wastes too much energy).
SSJ3 Gotenks (EoZ) vs SSJ2 Goku (GT).
SSJ Goten and Trunks (Pre-Rosat) vs 2nd Grade SSJ Vegeta and Future Trunks.
Piccolo (Post-Rosat) vs Semi-Perfect Cell.
Mr. Satan's mustache vs Ox-King's beard.
