"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[TheGmGoken]

Almost certain Champa won't appear in the anime until U6 arc or ending of BoG

[ArchedThunder]

What I found most interesting is that Champa is in fact from universe 6 and that universe has Kaioshins too. It seems more likely now that it's a parallel universe, which I'm not sure how I feel about.

I don't see how that means that, why wouldn't each universe have gods?

[Doctor.]

What I found most interesting is that Champa is in fact from universe 6 and that universe has Kaioshins too. It seems more likely now that it's a parallel universe, which I'm not sure how I feel about.

I don't see how that means that, why wouldn't each universe have gods?

Why would they have the same type of Gods? If it isn't a parallel universe, then it just seems kinda lazy.

[TheGmGoken]

What I found most interesting is that Champa is in fact from universe 6 and that universe has Kaioshins too. It seems more likely now that it's a parallel universe, which I'm not sure how I feel about.

I don't see how that means that, why wouldn't each universe have gods?

Why would they have the same type of Gods? If it isn't a parallel universe, then it just seems kinda lazy.

The Gods title are probably the same but not the actual universe.

[Chuquita]

Maybe they'll at least look wildly different. Toriyama was said to be doing a lot of new character designs for this (it's gotta be for the Uni 6 arc since we already have designs for reBOG and reF).

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Maybe they'll at least look wildly different. Toriyama was said to be doing a lot of new character designs for this (it's gotta be for the Uni 6 arc since we already have designs for reBOG and reF).

It is for Universe 6 "Since it’s another universe, loads of new characters will turn up. I’ll do my best to draw the tons of character designs necessary, so I’m looking forward to this too." He most likely isn't involved in the BoG and "F" arcs.

[ArchedThunder]

What I found most interesting is that Champa is in fact from universe 6 and that universe has Kaioshins too. It seems more likely now that it's a parallel universe, which I'm not sure how I feel about.

I don't see how that means that, why wouldn't each universe have gods?

Why would they have the same type of Gods? If it isn't a parallel universe, then it just seems kinda lazy.

Doesn't Kaioshin just mean "King of Gods" or something like that? And even if the Kaioshin of the other Universes are the same race as those of Universe 7 that can easily be explained by the Gods of each Universe just being similar. I don't know why the Gods of each Universe looking similar is hard to believe.

[Herms]

It's been implied since the introduction of the "12 universes" concept that each univese has its own God of Destruction, so if it's the same with the Kaioshins it won't be a big surprise (after all, the Kaioshins are supposed to be the "Gods of Creation" that serve as a counterpart to the Gods of Destruction). It doesn't really imply anything about parallel universes one way or the other; it's probably no different than each galaxy having its own Kaio.

[soulnova]

As soon as I saw Champa and Lady Whis I assumed he would be the God of Destruction + Assistant of another Universe and they would have a general similar hierarchy to what we have seen so far.

The thing about universes being alternate versions has yet to be seen, but I wish we could get to see "Princess Vegeta" just for the kicks. xD

[MaGyunia]

Was it really that difficult to get to the conclusion that Champa was most likely going to be the Hakaishin for the 6th Universe? You've got two elements: a cat dressed almost exactly like Beerus, and has an attendant just like Beerus has Whis, and then, you've got an entire arc dedicated to another Universe; going back to BoG, Beerus does say at the end of the movie that there are 12 Universes in total, each one of them having its own version of a Hakaishin. How difficult could it be to postulate the scenario of Champa being the Hakaishin for the 6th Universe? Besides, if there's indeed some tension between Beerus and Champa, we could speculate that it has to do with the fact that the different Hakaishins for different Universes compete with each other, or that there's just some sort of rivalry between these two Universes (6th and 7th), and their respective Hakaishins.

[Doctor.]

Was it really that difficult to get to the conclusion that Champa was most likely going to be the Hakaishin for the 6th Universe? You've got two elements: a cat dressed almost exactly like Beerus, and has an attendant just like Beerus has Whis, and then, you've got an entire arc dedicated to another Universe; going back to BoG, Beerus does say at the end of the movie that there are 12 Universes in total, each one of them having its own version of a Hakaishin. How difficult could it be to postulate the scenario of Champa being the Hakaishin for the 6th Universe? Besides, if there's indeed some tension between Beerus and Champa, we could speculate that it has to do with the fact that the different Hakaishins for different Universes compete with each other, or that there's just some sort of rivalry between these two Universes (6th and 7th), and their respective Hakaishins.

No, it wasn't, it was the most likely option. But that doesn't mean it was the only option like some people were saying. Him being a God of Destruction of the same universe, being part of Beerus' family/race or being from another universe but not being its God were also likely.

[MaGyunia]

Was it really that difficult to get to the conclusion that Champa was most likely going to be the Hakaishin for the 6th Universe? You've got two elements: a cat dressed almost exactly like Beerus, and has an attendant just like Beerus has Whis, and then, you've got an entire arc dedicated to another Universe; going back to BoG, Beerus does say at the end of the movie that there are 12 Universes in total, each one of them having its own version of a Hakaishin. How difficult could it be to postulate the scenario of Champa being the Hakaishin for the 6th Universe? Besides, if there's indeed some tension between Beerus and Champa, we could speculate that it has to do with the fact that the different Hakaishins for different Universes compete with each other, or that there's just some sort of rivalry between these two Universes (6th and 7th), and their respective Hakaishins.

No, it wasn't, it was the most likely option. But that doesn't mean it was the only option like some people were saying. Him being a God of Destruction of the same universe, being part of Beerus' family/race or being from another universe but not being its God were also likely.

Sure, and I've said it wasn't the only possible option myself several times too. I said multiple times that in my view the second most likely probability would be that he had been the competitor for the position of Hakaishin for the 7th Universe, a race which he ended up losing to Beerus, which would help explain the bitterness/rivalry between them, and his possible desire for revenge (along the same lines of Garlic Jr. wanting revenge on Kami for the latter having won the race for the position of Guardian of Earth against his father).

[Captain Space]

Sure, and I've said it wasn't the only possible option myself several times too.

So...the exact thing you were railing on other people for doing...?

[MaGyunia]

Sure, and I've said it wasn't the only possible option myself several times too.

So...the exact thing you were railing on other people for doing...?

For one, I wasn't railing on anyone, and then, I merely postulated two different likely scenarios before in multiple occasions, expressly pointing out that one of them (Champa being the Hakaishin for the 6th Universe) was much more likely than the other one. Whenever I posted on the matter I ALWAYS made it pretty clear that the far most likely scenario was that Champa was just the Hakaishin for the 6th Universe just like Beerus is the Hakaishin for the 7th. One scenario being 90% likely doesn't mean the other 10% need to be totally discarded, they're just unlikely, but still academically possible. However, SOME scenarios a few fans came up with are just too far-fetched and had absolutely no basis to them other than having been completely made up by the ones who wrote about it.

I honestly have no idea if the way I write or post comes across as arrogant or something, but there definitely seems to be a problem with my way of addressing others, because I'm accused of double-standards and over-criticizing others almost on a daily basis.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

So, what is the chance of a Makiaoshin being implemented in Super as a part of the story? After all it was Toriyama who introduced it in Super Exciting Guide...

[Lord Beerus]

So, what is the chance of a Makiaoshin being implemented in Super as a part of the story? After all it was Toriyama who introduced it in Super Exciting Guide...

Zero to none. I think the Makiaoshin are gonna remain one of the great mysteries of Dragon Ball. As much as that frustrates me, because there is so much you could do with that concept.

[iop890]

The way I expect it to play out is that each universe has the same Godly hierarchy, meaning a Hakaishin plus their attendant and 4 Kaioshins plus the Dai Kaioshin.

Other than that, I don't expect the universes to be "parallel universes", meaning I don't expect(and really, really don't want) to see EvilGoku or FemVegeta.

So far I've been looking forward to the manga more than the anime because they're at least showing us some new stuff. I also like that it seems the Dragon Balls are going to be a major part of the plot beyond just fixing everything at the end of each arc, I just hope the Super Dragon Ball's origin isn't "universe 6 Namek".

Also, MaGyunia, I didn't see anything wrong with your post at all.

[Doctor.]

I have a question, does Champa actually go to Namek or what?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Apparently, we don't see. Champa and the Kaioshin have their talk and then the Kaioshin decide to go to Namek. We then switch back over to Goku and Vegeta to discover how to do the Super Saiyan God thing. I imagine if he's after the Super Dragon Balls and not the Namekian Dragon Balls though, he may not need to go to Namek?

BTW, why are the last two pages manga discussion...and not in the manga's thread...?

[FortuneSSJ]

So apparently a calendar for next year is coming of DB Super

Spoiler:

Would be nice if someone could get it and see inside. Maybe some new characters might be shown.

Thats a great cover!