The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ahill1 » Wed Aug 19, 2015 7:25 pm

Vegeta SSJ2(pre Majin) vs Super Perfect Cell

Why do you think Kid Buu stronger than Goku SSJ3 Lonely Shadow?

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Post by Sayo-chan » Wed Aug 19, 2015 7:40 pm

I wouldn't place SSJ2 Goku and Majin Vegeta too far ahead of Cell, I would imagine the gap would be similar to the one between SSJ Goku and 100% Freeza. That said, without the boost, Vegeta's outclassed in every category.
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Post by Galan007 » Wed Aug 19, 2015 7:45 pm

ahill1 wrote:Vegeta SSJ2(pre Majin) vs Super Perfect Cell
IMO:
SSJ2 Majin Vegeta = SSJ2 Goku > SSJ2 Gohan(Cell Games) ~ Super-Perfect Cell > SSJ2 Vegeta.

My reasoning: it took the Majin-amp just to bring Vegeta up to Goku's level--so we know that Vegeta was considerably weaker than Goku beforehand. We know that SSJ2 Goku was more powerful than SSJ2 Gohan(Cell Games), but the difference wasn't implied to be overly significant. That said, I'd guess standard SSJ2 Vegeta was decisively weaker than SSJ2 Gohan(Cell Games), which means he'd be decisively weaker than SPC by proxy.

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Post by ahill1 » Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:31 pm

Cymbal vs Tsuru

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Post by nickzambuto » Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:58 pm

Current Goku and Vegeta vs Beerus. Assume right after Resurrection, Beerus said f*ck it and told Goku and Vegeta that he wants to fight right now, and if they don't beat him, he's going to destroy the Earth.

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:06 pm

nickzambuto wrote:Current Goku and Vegeta vs Beerus. Assume right after Resurrection, Beerus said f*ck it and told Goku and Vegeta that he wants to fight right now, and if they don't beat him, he's going to destroy the Earth.
Goku and Vegeta fuse and then kick the shit out of him. In other words, they do what they should have done the minute Vegeta gained SSGSS.
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He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Post by Galan007 » Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:22 pm

nickzambuto wrote:Current Goku and Vegeta vs Beerus. Assume right after Resurrection, Beerus said f*ck it and told Goku and Vegeta that he wants to fight right now, and if they don't beat him, he's going to destroy the Earth.
Given that they essentially refuse to work together, Beerus stomps.

But IF they actually worked together, the most they could hope for is a stalemate.

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Post by ZombieVito » Thu Aug 20, 2015 3:39 am

Future SSJ Gohan [two armed] vs King Cold.
A20 vs A19, both after absorbing Ki.
Weighted Kamiccolo vs A18.

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Post by supercat » Thu Aug 20, 2015 4:26 am

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supercat wrote:-This could honestly go either way in my opinion. Even with an insane amount of hax backing him up, GT SSJ4 Goku was only on par with Vegetto. It really boils down to whether or not Goku would go from SSJ Vegetto tier all the way down to Ultimate Gohan tier, with the absence of his GT hax.

-SSJ3 Gotenks takes this with the utmost ease. At the highest, I'd say GT SSJ Goku is only in the same realm of power as SSJ Gotenks.

-Team 2 probably takes this with minimal difficulty in my opinion.

-Piccolo nearly one-shots. I have the Namekian sitting a notch or two below Perfect Cell (suppressed), so this would be an exceptionally easy win for him.

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- I honestly don't have an opinion over that fight, I just thought it was a pretty cool scenario and I wanted to know people's opinion over the subject.

- Wasn't Base GT Goku ≥ SSJ3 Goku (Z)? Does that means that Base Gotenks was about as strong as SSJ3 Goku at that point?

- How about after the kids trained for their battle against Super Buu?

- That seems right, I just read on the wiki that Piccolo was about as strong as FPSSJ Goku at 50%.

- Is almost unfair, right? :roll:
-GT was pretty notorious for randomly rewarding characters with insane increases that often times had no explanation whatsoever. In my opinion, the worst one was Base Goku being the recipient of SSJ3-tier power after fighting a band of robots and some other random aliens.

-As for the kids after their RoSaT training, I personally feel content keeping them in a pretty broad range. I could see them rivaling Semi-Perfect Cell on the low end, and sitting a notch or two below Cell Jr. on the high end of the spectrum.
Zombie wrote:Future SSJ Gohan [two armed] vs King Cold.
A20 vs A19, both after absorbing Ki.
Weighted Kamiccolo vs A18.
I feel this version of Gohan is more or less in the same realm of power as Trunks when the latter sliced through Frieza, so he wins with minimal effort.

Considering how a drained Vegeta was able to obliterate Android 19, but was hesitant to face off against Gero, I'd say the doctor was a tad bit stronger than his own creation even before absorbing any energy.

I honestly doubt Android 18 is notably weaker than her brother. I've always perceived it as a marginal difference (10% at most). I guess it really boils down to the amount of power Piccolo gains after freeing himself from the burdens of his weights.

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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Thu Aug 20, 2015 9:14 am

Chi-Chi (23rd Budokai) vs. Majin Videl ; I wonder what the power up can do for someone with MINOR ki control
Adult Gohan (Pre-25th Budokai training) vs. Vegeta (Cell Games)
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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Post by Captain Space » Thu Aug 20, 2015 9:24 am

DBZAOTA482 wrote:Chi-Chi (23rd Budokai) vs. Majin Videl ; I wonder what the power up can do for someone with MINOR ki control
Adult Gohan (Pre-25th Budokai training) vs. Vegeta (Cell Games)
Chi-Chi; the difference is really something, proportionally much greater than the difference between Goku and pre-Majin Vegeta (those two were at least both on the SSJ2 'tier' already).

Probably Gohan, even without going SSJ2. Probably.
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Post by Noah » Thu Aug 20, 2015 3:54 pm

supercat wrote:GT was pretty notorious for randomly rewarding characters with insane increases that often times had no explanation whatsoever. In my opinion, the worst one was Base Goku being the recipient of SSJ3-tier power after fighting a band of robots and some other random aliens.
But GT Goku was Goku after the events of BoG, RoF and U6 Arc, he absorbed the powers of a Super Saiyan God, mastered and trained even more, so now is reasonable that he in base in a SSJ3-tier :lol:
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Post by BrolyLSSJ » Thu Aug 20, 2015 4:10 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAHJRT1mT9Y

Vegito Vs Omega Shenron?
i have to say Vegito :/
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BrolyLSSJ wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAHJRT1mT9Y

Vegito Vs Omega Shenron?
i have to say Vegito :/
Vegetto's pinky disintegrates Omega Shenron.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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DBZAOTA482 wrote:
BrolyLSSJ wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAHJRT1mT9Y

Vegito Vs Omega Shenron?
i have to say Vegito :/
Vegetto's pinky disintegrates Omega Shenron.
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Post by nickzambuto » Thu Aug 20, 2015 5:44 pm

Kibito Kai vs Super Perfect Cell?

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Post by Lord Beerus » Thu Aug 20, 2015 5:54 pm

nickzambuto wrote:Kibito Kai vs Super Perfect Cell?
My gut tells me Kibito Kai. Because Kibito Kai wanted to help Goku and Vegeta fight Kid Boo, thinking he could make a difference, which makes me believe that his power was least in the higher tier of SSJ2. So I'm backing Kibito Kai on this one.

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Post by Sayo-chan » Thu Aug 20, 2015 5:56 pm

nickzambuto wrote:Kibito Kai vs Super Perfect Cell?
The only thing we know for sure is that Kaioshin is above Freeza. It seems incredibly doubtful he was anywhere near Dabra, and if anything, Kibito is far weaker than his master. Took weaklings multiplied together probably wouldn't be anywhere near Cell or Gohan during the Cell Games.
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Thu Aug 20, 2015 6:01 pm

nickzambuto wrote:Kibito Kai vs Super Perfect Cell?
Kibitoshin gets slaughtered.
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Post by ZombieVito » Thu Aug 20, 2015 6:14 pm

Future 18 vs Imperfect Cell [pre]

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