Beerus is a confirmed Universal Buster!!

[Saiyan007]

Not too mention these saiyan ships are hilariously FTL so escaping a planet should be absolutely no problem if according to you it took minutes

FTL?....no FTL means they would have been in earth in a matter of a good 2 days or less.

You've gotta be kidding me with this comment right?

Casual Busters.....

Not so casual....

Do you not know what casual means?

he's in his lazy chair laughing his ass off in his base form how is that not casual

Also where does it take minutes?

[h0kuten]

King Vegeta has to lift his arm.

Frieza flicked his finger.

Big difference.

[SaiyaSith]

Kid Buu took just as long to blow up Earth as Freeza did blowing up Earth and Planet Vegeta. So according to you, Kid Buu is also a "casual planet buster".

[Cetra]

This thread has already lived longer than it should have.

[Saiyan007]

Kid Buu took just as long to blow up Earth as Freeza did blowing up Earth and Planet Vegeta. So according to you, Kid Buu is also a "casual planet buster".

Anyone stronger than Saiyan Saga Vegeta is a casual planet buster

[Kamiccolo9]

Can we at least try to get some substance to this thread? Surely we can do better than backhanded comments, terrible writing, and constant double posting.

As it stands, Beerus is implicated as a "universe buster," whatever that means. Confirmation comes with, well, an actual example of the feat. We don't have an actual example of the feat. Therefore, Beerus isn't confirmed as a "universe buster," only implicated as one. That's pretty basic debating logic. You can argue whether or not an implication is enough to be treated as a fact in a fictional universe, but that's an entirely different argument.

[Hellspawn28]

How was Buuhan going to destroy the Universe by a chain reaction?

Daizenshuu #7 has Majin Buu's "Outside Space" attack saying that it can destroy the universe over time by screaming. A chain reaction is a series of events in which each event is the result of the one preceding and the cause of the one following. So over time his scream would case everything to rip apart until everything is totally gone.

[h0kuten]

Chapter: 415(DBZ 221), P3.2, P4.2
Context: while charging the Kamehameha
Cell: "I've already gathered enough Ki power to blow away not only the Earth, but the solar system as well!"

Cell isn't saying he could destroy each planet in the Solar System 1 by 1 he said he could blow the entire Solar System in one go. Statements are true until contradicted.

Cell is a confirmed Solar System buster.

Beerus is a confirmed Universal buster.

[Kamiccolo9]

Chapter: 415(DBZ 221), P3.2, P4.2
Context: while charging the Kamehameha
Cell: "I've already gathered enough Ki power to blow away not only the Earth, but the solar system as well!"

Cell isn't saying he could destroy each planet in the Solar System 1 by 1 he said he could blow the entire Solar System in one go. Statements are true until contradicted.

Cell is a confirmed Solar System buster.

Beerus is a confirmed Universal buster.

Where is this "statements are true unless contradicted" rule written down? I've never seen it.

[Saiyan007]

Chapter: 415(DBZ 221), P3.2, P4.2
Context: while charging the Kamehameha
Cell: "I've already gathered enough Ki power to blow away not only the Earth, but the solar system as well!"

Cell isn't saying he could destroy each planet in the Solar System 1 by 1 he said he could blow the entire Solar System in one go. Statements are true until contradicted.

Cell is a confirmed Solar System buster.

Beerus is a confirmed Universal buster.

Where is this "statements are true unless contradicted" rule written down? I've never seen it.

if it helps there is a guidebook that backs up Cell's statement

[Cipher]

It took minutes for the planet to explode so it isn't casual....

When did planet Vegeta take minutes to explode?

Casual Busters.....

Not so casual....

King Vegeta confirmed stronger than Freeza.

Do you think a character could pull off a blazer for casual planet-busting, or would that be more semi-casual? What if Freeza wasn't in his armor?

King Vegeta has to lift his arm.

Freeza flicked his finger.

Big difference.

This thread is amazing and I hope it never dies.

[Kamiccolo9]

Chapter: 415(DBZ 221), P3.2, P4.2
Context: while charging the Kamehameha
Cell: "I've already gathered enough Ki power to blow away not only the Earth, but the solar system as well!"

Cell isn't saying he could destroy each planet in the Solar System 1 by 1 he said he could blow the entire Solar System in one go. Statements are true until contradicted.

Cell is a confirmed Solar System buster.

Beerus is a confirmed Universal buster.

Where is this "statements are true unless contradicted" rule written down? I've never seen it.

if it helps there is a guidebook that backs up Cell's statement

Cell's saying that he had the power to do it. No one is denying that.

People are jumping to the conclusion that he could do it right then with the attack he was using under the exact situations, and that's a huge leap in logic that's not supported by anything other than fan interpretation. If people want to use their own brand of logic to decide what's "true," that's fine, but they can't expect it to apply to everyone.

In a rational debate, it is generally accepted that a given statement is unproven, and thus rendered invalid, until it is proven. This is not saying that the statement is right or wrong, it is just saying that it is unproven. And unproven statement can be used as evidence, but cannot be used as a fact, as it has not been verified. That is basic logic. If you're ignoring this, then you are only making your own argument weaker.

[h0kuten]

The author is trying to tell us a story, therefore, statements are true until contradicted.

Toriyama wouldn't put it there if it wasn't an accurate power statement.

[Kamiccolo9]

The author is trying to tell us a story, therefore, statements are true until contradicted.

Toriyama wouldn't put it there if it wasn't an accurate power statement.

According to what? Where is this "rule" from?

[h0kuten]

The author is trying to tell us a story, therefore, statements are true until contradicted.

Toriyama wouldn't put it there if it wasn't an accurate power statement.

According to what? Where is this "rule" from?

Occams Razor.

[Kamiccolo9]

The author is trying to tell us a story, therefore, statements are true until contradicted.

Toriyama wouldn't put it there if it wasn't an accurate power statement.

According to what? Where is this "rule" from?

Occams Razor.

No, it's not. And please, try to put more effort into your replies than one phrase. There's no point in this discussion if that's all you're going to do. The Razor is concerned with competing hypothesis. We're talking about the verification of statements leading up to the hypothesis. That's an entirely different matter unrelated to Occam's Razor.

[h0kuten]

No, it's not. And please, try to put more effort into your replies than one phrase. There's no point in this discussion if that's all you're going to do.

Without statements we have no story. The author isn't gonna have a character state someting just for that character to be
wrong. Like wtf?

If the author had a character state 'oh your stronger than Gohan now' it's because he is sending a message. Not because he
secretly wants to trick his audience and think every character is a liar.

Uncontradicted statements = facts.

[Kamiccolo9]

No, it's not. And please, try to put more effort into your replies than one phrase. There's no point in this discussion if that's all you're going to do.

Without statements we have no story. The author isn't gonna have a character state someting just for that character to be
wrong. Like wtf?

If the author had a character state 'oh your stronger than Gohan now' it's because he is sending a message. Not because he
secretly wants to trick his audience and think every character is a liar.

Uncontradicted statements = facts.

I never said the character was wrong. I'm saying that your logic is flawed. You are reading way too deeply into "feat statements," and totally ignoring the actual character saying them.

And no, and unverified statement is just that. It's unverified.

[h0kuten]

No, it's not. And please, try to put more effort into your replies than one phrase. There's no point in this discussion if that's all you're going to do.

Without statements we have no story. The author isn't gonna have a character state someting just for that character to be
wrong. Like wtf?

If the author had a character state 'oh your stronger than Gohan now' it's because he is sending a message. Not because he
secretly wants to trick his audience and think every character is a liar.

Uncontradicted statements = facts.

I never said the character was wrong. I'm saying that your logic is flawed. You are reading way too deeply into "feat statements," and totally ignoring the actual character saying them.

And no, and unverified statement is just that. It's unverified.

Might as well read pictures than since you don't believe anything.

[Kamiccolo9]

Might as well read pictures than since you don't believe anything.

Or just enjoy the story without trying to dissect every single piece of dialogue into a specific mindset in order to make it fit to your own personal views?