It's not a personal view.Kamiccolo9 wrote:Or just enjoy the story without trying to dissect every single piece of dialogue into a specific mindset in order to make it fit to your own personal views?h0kuten wrote: Might as well read pictures than since you don't believe anything.
Again, where is this "rule" coming from? Because I work in a profession where verification of evidence is essential, and I was never taught that.h0kuten wrote:It's not a personal view.Kamiccolo9 wrote:Or just enjoy the story without trying to dissect every single piece of dialogue into a specific mindset in order to make it fit to your own personal views?h0kuten wrote: Might as well read pictures than since you don't believe anything.
Non contradicted statements within a story the author is trying to tell are absolute, 100% fact.
Cipher wrote:If Vegeta does not kill Gohan, I will stop illegally streaming the series.
Malik_DBNA wrote:"Achievement Unlocked: Rule 34"Scarz wrote:Malik, stop. People are asking me for lewd art of possessed Bra (with Vegeta).
Might as well read pictures than since you don't believe anything the author is telling us.Again, where is this "rule" coming from? Because I work in a profession where verification of evidence is essential, and I was never taught that.
"Common sense" isn't evidence. And your interpretation of "what the author is telling us" is just that: your interpretation. You need to realize that.h0kuten wrote:Might as well read pictures than since you don't believe anything the author is telling us.Again, where is this "rule" coming from? Because I work in a profession where verification of evidence is essential, and I was never taught that.
If you want the truth, it's common sense.
Cipher wrote:If Vegeta does not kill Gohan, I will stop illegally streaming the series.
Malik_DBNA wrote:"Achievement Unlocked: Rule 34"Scarz wrote:Malik, stop. People are asking me for lewd art of possessed Bra (with Vegeta).
Mathematically, Cell should have more than enough power to blow the entire thing into stardust. It also wouldn't make too much sense for him to bluff. Clearly he has enough power in his Kamehameha to blow the Earth away, which is already threat enough to Gohan and co. What exactly would he have to gain? The primary concern of everyone is where they are. Without Earth, the lifeless planets are of no concern to anyone. Of course without Jupiter, our solar vacuum cleaner, we'd likely be dead, but that would operate on the premise that Cell's not targeting the Earth as ground zero.Well there's this:
I don't understand why some people are in denial of Cell's ability to wreck the solar system. Let's look at the most common questions posited by those that think Cell was flashing its bravado.
I. How exactly would Cell's Kamehameha blow the solar system away?
Ultimate Budoten suggests the beam would strike the Sun and wreak havoc. What other examples do we have of Kamehamehas being fired at stars? Just that filler episode where Goku fires one at an unknown size to propel himself to safety. That tells us if a beam isn't strong enough to damage a star, it will effectively do nothing. Perhaps it may cause some solar flares that would fry nearby planets, but that's speculation. If guidebooks, filler and various games aren't good enough, let's take a look at if Jupiter crashed into the Sun.
The Sun clearly wouldn't be destroyed, but the Earth would be toasted. Assuming Jupiter was teleported to the chromosphere, seeing that its 88–92% hydrogen composition would hinder it otherwise, the energy released would cook the inner rock planets. Jupiter's mass is 1.898E27 kg. The escape velocity for an object at the Sun's surface is 617.553 km/s. Using K = 1/2 mv², we get 3.6192175071074E38 joules. The Earth's sky would be billions of times brighter than what it is now (if someone wants to do the math for this, it'd be appreciated). That's thousands of times less than a one megaton nuclear bomb's energy going off in a 50 foot radius (which as a whole should only release around 4.18E15 joules). The Sun may not be destroyed, but there's a good chance there'd be a nasty blemish on its surface along with the probability of disturbing its fusion.
I also found an interesting tidbit on if Jupiter suddenly turned into a thermonuclear bomb:So if we presume Vegeta, whose battle power is roughly 18,000, could turn the surface of the Earth into a molten mess, then what about Jupiter? Well it's a gas giant, so who knows how it would react with ki, but let's assume there wouldn't be much different. It's 317.8 times more massive than the Earth, so 317.8 * 18,000 = 5,720,400. If someone were to object and say mass is irrelevant (I don't know why, but I've seen this), Jupiter has an equatorial radius 11.2 times larger than Earth's. 11.2 * 18,000 = 201,600. No matter how you slice it, Freeza would obliterate Jupiter with relative ease.Spoiler:
If Freeza can annihilate Jupiter, what's to stop him from pumping the Sun with enough death roids to fry the solar system? Okay, maybe that's not exactly the same thing as blowing up or "busting" it. So let's look at its size. To avoid debates, we'll say the solar system ends at the aphelion of Eris (97.651 AU, 9.07722754E9 miles, 1.46083817E10 km). Gohan's Kamehameha died out probably around where the Moon would be (384,400 km), or just a bit farther. So Cell's Kamehameha would have to cause enough devastation that it would, in some way (explosive energy), travel 38,003.07 times farther. A supernova would accomplish something like this, so I would have to go with Ultimate Budoten's depiction. Could the beam strike the Earth in such a way that it's so extreme as to engulf the solar system? Possibly.
II. Gohan's Kamehameha died out nowhere near the Sun.
This is true, however... many weaker beams have made it farther than that mark, such as Piccolo's to destroy the Moon and that one Freeza deflected into space. There's always the chance the beam went against the Earth's rotation, combined with losing even more energy on Cell's beam and Cell itself. Not to mention it was only killed because of a distraction, meaning if Gohan had released that amount of energy when Cell was pushing moments prior, it likely wouldn't've done much. Also factor in Gohan's beam had been charged for less time, with less effort throughout the struggle.
III. Pure Boo's 'Planet Buster' didn't destroy the solar system, so why would Cell's?
Freeza fired blasts that created incredible fissures that went on for miles along Namekian soil. Semi-Perfect Cell fired a number of blasts that only destroyed tiny islands. Vegeta fired a volley of blasts at Cell on three separate occasions, where the landscape remained virtually unharmed. This is irrefutable proof that there's an inconsistency amongst attacks. Now, this isn't necessarily a bad thing. Blasts and beams could simply be affected by what they are therein (i.e. what type of attack they are). Pure Boo's attack may not be the type of attack that's meant to do anything besides destroy planets. It may be overkill, but it simply may not be the type of attack to create an explosion equivalent to 1.46083817E10 kilometers. Now what if Pure Boo threw this at the Sun? Perhaps there would be a good chance that the solar system would indeed 'bust'.
You can be skeptical all you want, but until you prove a characters statement is wrong than they're right.Kamiccolo9 wrote:"Common sense" isn't evidence. And your interpretation of "what the author is telling us" is just that: your interpretation. You need to realize that.h0kuten wrote:Might as well read pictures than since you don't believe anything the author is telling us.Again, where is this "rule" coming from? Because I work in a profession where verification of evidence is essential, and I was never taught that.
If you want the truth, it's common sense.
Burden of proof? I'm asking you to convince me that your interpretation is correct. I don't have to prove anything "wrong."h0kuten wrote: You can be skeptical all you want, but until you prove a characters statement is wrong than they're right.
The author always corrects his characters they they're wrong, if he doesn't, he is sending us a message.
Burden of proof is on you, not me.
Cipher wrote:If Vegeta does not kill Gohan, I will stop illegally streaming the series.
Malik_DBNA wrote:"Achievement Unlocked: Rule 34"Scarz wrote:Malik, stop. People are asking me for lewd art of possessed Bra (with Vegeta).
You're proving my point instead of disproving it man. In every instance that a statement is wrong it is shown to us. It's a fundamental point to story telling. Your contradicting yourself in a major way.Kamiccolo9 wrote:Burden of proof? I'm asking you to convince me that your interpretation is correct. I don't have to prove anything "wrong."h0kuten wrote: You can be skeptical all you want, but until you prove a characters statement is wrong than they're right.
The author always corrects his characters they they're wrong, if he doesn't, he is sending us a message.
Burden of proof is on you, not me.
Not once have I said that any interpretation about lines in the manga is "wrong." I'm saying that your logic is faulty, and you seem to be citing rules that aren't in evidence merely because it suits you. It doesn't make your interpretation "wrong," but it does make your argument much weaker.
No, it's not a "fundamental point to storytelling." If it is, then please, show me the "rules of storytelling" that you keep citing.h0kuten wrote:You're proving my point instead of disproving it man. In every instance that a statement is wrong it is shown to us. It's a fundamental point to story telling. Your contradicting yourself in a major way.Kamiccolo9 wrote:Burden of proof? I'm asking you to convince me that your interpretation is correct. I don't have to prove anything "wrong."h0kuten wrote: You can be skeptical all you want, but until you prove a characters statement is wrong than they're right.
The author always corrects his characters they they're wrong, if he doesn't, he is sending us a message.
Burden of proof is on you, not me.
Not once have I said that any interpretation about lines in the manga is "wrong." I'm saying that your logic is faulty, and you seem to be citing rules that aren't in evidence merely because it suits you. It doesn't make your interpretation "wrong," but it does make your argument much weaker.
Tell us one reason why the author is trying to throw us off by feeding us a statement thats not proven false. One reason.
Cipher wrote:If Vegeta does not kill Gohan, I will stop illegally streaming the series.
Malik_DBNA wrote:"Achievement Unlocked: Rule 34"Scarz wrote:Malik, stop. People are asking me for lewd art of possessed Bra (with Vegeta).
This is also shown happening in a video game cutscene.Sayo-chan wrote:I've already created a post concerning Cell's ability to destroy the solar system, which I'll quote below.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
"All character statements are true unless proven wrong and are of equal value."Burden of proof? I'm asking you to convince me that your interetation is correct. I dn't have to prove anything "wrong."
Not once have I said that any interpretation about lines in the manga is "wrong." I'm saying that your logic is faulty, and you seem to be citing rules that aren't in evidence merely because it suits you. It doesn't make your interpretation "wrong," but it does make your argument much weaker.
You're proving my point instead of disproving it man. In every instance that a statement is wrong it is shown to us. It's a fundamental point to story telling. Your contradicting yourself in a major way.
Tell us one reason why the author is trying to throw us off by feeding us a statement thats not proven false. One reason.
No, it's not a "fundamental point to storytelling." If it is, then please, show me the "rules of storytelling" that you keep citing.
Until then, I think I've proven my point. You've already flat-out told an admin of this site that you're going to continue to make an ass out of yourself, and you're clearly not open to actual conversation, so I'm done here. Auf wiedersehn.
Beerus can bust a Universe too.RandomGuy96 wrote:Chapter: 509 (DBZ 315), P11.4-6
Context: as Goku prepares to fight Boo
Goku: “Alrii~~iight. I’d better go all out right from the start…! If we get done in, then the entire universe will go ‘poof’…”
OMG! Second weakest incarnation of Buu >>>> Beerus.
We can follow this logic:manwolf wrote:Moon: 7.349*10^22
Roshi: 200
Piccolo: 400
Earth:5.973*10^24
So theoretically the earth can be destroyed with less that a hundred of times of the power level of Roshi, at 24000 the Garlick gun of Vegeta probaly can destroy the earth.
Sun: 1.989*20^30
If Vegeta can destroy the earth with 24000 Cell needs a million of times or 24000000000 of power level to destroy the Sun, a lot of power level list put Super perfect Cell in this tier so is no illogical to think that can destroy the earth.
The Milky way: 1*10^12 the mass of the sun, so a characters needs to be trillions of times stronger than Cell only to destroy a Galaxy.
Majin Boo are approximately 4 times the strength of Cell.
Kid Boo are less that 2 times the strength of Majin Boo, so 8 times of Cell.
Super Boo are less that 2 times the strength of Kid Boo, so Super Boo 16 Cell
A black hole can form with a star of 16 times of the sun so is logical that Super Boo can form these phenomenon.
Boohan are for say some number 2 times the strength of Super Boo, so 32 times Cell.
Vegeto how many, 2, 4, 8 times Boohan, we only have 256 times of Cell and Beerus can be a lot of stronger but he needs to be a trillion of times stronger that Cell, even if we say that you can destroy a Galaxy destroying the center, a super massive black hole are millions of times greater that the sun so only in the most breaker power levels Beerus can destroy the nucleus of the galaxy.
So Gotenks is 60,000 times stronger than Super Perfect Cell. Buuhan would be around 120,000x stronger than Super Perfect Cell.Goku
~Ssj3 4,000
Teen Gohan
~Ssj2 600
Super Perfect Cell
~Full Power 800
Fat Buu
~Full Power 1,500
Gotenks Pre-ROST
~Base 1,200
~Ssj 60,000
Gotenks Post-ROST
~Base 120,000
~Ssj 6,000,000
~Ssj2 12,000,000
~Ssj3 48,000,000
I guess what Kamiccolo9 is trying to say is: it's okay if you believe what a character says is true if there is no contradiction in that regard. People have arbitrary reasons to build up their ideas. As for the topic, no one is actually qualified to tell if Beerus can/can't destroy the universe instantly or in a certain amount of time. We need confirmation about the details. "The entire universe might disappear(!)/will go poof(...)" doesn't seem intended to mean universal buster, but at least I suppose there is no safe place in the universe from characters that are worth of such worries.h0kuten wrote:"All character statements are true unless proven wrong and are of equal value."
This just means that the author is using the character as a tool for his story, period. Whatever habitual performances said character has, has no relevance on if the character is right/wrong. If the character is right, nothing will contradict his statement. If the character is wrong, he is only wrong, because he has been proven wrong, or has been contradicted.
