The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Super Buu 1,250x stronger than Goku SSJ3

Why is the gap so big? Not even Beerus > SSJ3 Goku is that big of a gap.

A punch from someone 1250x stronger than you would vaporize you into nothing. lol How about 5x?

[Captain Space]

Gotenks was stated in Daizenshuu 7 to need the RoSaT to surpass Vegeta.

But he was stated by Goku to be powerful enough to defeat Fat Buu and Piccolo never disagreed. I'm pretty sure the manga itself supersedes any other sources.

To the point that when he went off to fight Buu as SSJ, Piccolo was never like "You're not strong enough!" like he was when Gotenks did it in base; he was just like, "You idiots, you wasted all your fusion time!"

[LonelyShadow]

SSJ4 Goku (Buu Saga) vs Super Buu. (If you think that Goku is too strong for him, give Buu an absorption).

If we're using the 10x multiplier for SSJ4, then Goku wins. Imo, SSJ3 Gotenks/Super Boo were no more than 8x> SSJ3 Goku.

That scale of power seems to be fine in my opinion. If someone is 5 times stronger than his foe, the difference is so big that the weaker person shouldn't even try.

If Super Buu really was around 8 times stronger than SSJ3 Goku, he should win at level 4 easily, even with Buu's overpowered regeneration.

How about Buutenks then? But only with Gotenks' powers absorbed, in this case Buu has Piccolo's intelligence not his power.

1.) Base Future Trunks(Android Saga) vs Pre-SSJ Goku(Against Namek Freeza)
3.) MSSJ Goku(CG) vs Androids 13, 14, 15, 16, 17 & 18
2.) MSSJ kid Gohan vs ASSJ Vegeta, ASSJ Trunks, Piccolo(Post-ROSAT)
3.) SSJ2 Vegeta(Pre-Majin) & SS2 Goku(Buu Saga) vs Mr Buu
4.) Kid Buu vs SSJ Gotenks(POST-ROSAT)

- Unlimited Fusion time
- The Boys are not messing around

- I'll say Goku, even with his early hybrid hacks Trunks seemed to be somewhat inferior to Yadrat Goku, his Namek counterpart could be equal to Trunks.
- Gohan kicks. Gohan wins.
- Mr Buu, his regeneration > 2 oponents around the same level as him.
- Mmm... I always had post-RoSaT SSJ Gotenks = SSJ3 Goku, a little weaker or stronger, I'll say Kid Buu, Gotenks skills in combat sucks.
That last line sounds very funny out of context.

[The Monkey King]

DBS Ultimate Gohan vs A mugger armed with a baseball bat

I say the mugger KOs Gohan with one good swing

[Galan007]

How about Buutenks then? But only with Gotenks' powers absorbed, in this case Buu has Piccolo's intelligence not his power.

Well, SSJ3 Gotenks and Super Boo were near-equals. That said, when Boo absorbed Gotenks, his power should have doubled(roughly.) So IF Super Boo were ~8x more powerful than SSJ3 Goku, then Bootenks would be ~16x more powerful than SSJ3 Goku... In which case a 10x SSJ4 boost wouldn't cut it.

IMO.

[DBZAOTA482]

Gohan (DBS) vs. Bulma

[Sora Saiyan]

Super Buu 1,250x stronger than Goku SSJ3

Why is the gap so big? Not even Beerus > SSJ3 Goku is that big of a gap.

A punch from someone 1250x stronger than you would vaporize you into nothing. lol How about 5x?

I believe that's a bit excessive as well, but I also believe Beerus is much more than 1250x stronger than SSJ3 Goku.
I put U. Gohan at 20x SSJ3 Goku, and Beerus is much greater than SSJ Vegetto who I have at around U. Gohan level in base. With the SSJ multiplier he'd be 1000x stronger than SSJ3 Goku.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Super Buu 1,250x stronger than Goku SSJ3

Why is the gap so big? Not even Beerus > SSJ3 Goku is that big of a gap.

A punch from someone 1250x stronger than you would vaporize you into nothing. lol How about 5x?

I believe that's a bit excessive as well, but I also believe Beerus is much more than 1250x stronger than SSJ3 Goku.
I put U. Gohan at 20x SSJ3 Goku, and Beerus is much greater than SSJ Vegetto who I have at around U. Gohan level in base. With the SSJ multiplier he'd be 1000x stronger than SSJ3 Goku.

If Ultimate Gohan were 20x stronger than Goku, he or Vegeta would have never closed the gap in Battle of Gods. In both movies I am pretty sure Goku/Vegeta once again have the spotlight in strength. Not even counting God.

[Galan007]

I also believe Beerus is much more than 1250x stronger than SSJ3 Goku.

You're entitled to your own opinions, but wow.

In an era where 2-4x differences in power are considered gargantuan, I'm hard-pressed(to say the least) to believe that Beerus was in the area of 2,000x> SSJ3 Goku. For a point of reference: even the difference between Saiyan saga Vegeta and 1st form Freeza was 'only' about 29x. Heck, the difference between Nail and 1st form Freeza was under 13x, and we saw how that battle went(even Nail's most powerful attacks couldn't so much as make Freeza twitch.)

[Doctor.]

I also believe Beerus is much more than 1250x stronger than SSJ3 Goku.

You're entitled to your own opinions, but wow.

In an era where 2-4x differences in power are considered gargantuan, I'm hard-pressed(to say the least) to believe that Beerus was in the area of 2,000x> SSJ3 Goku. For a point of reference: even the difference between Saiyan saga Vegeta and 1st form Freeza was 'only' about 29x. Heck, the difference between Nail and 1st form Freeza was under 13x, and we saw how that battle went(even Nail's most powerful attacks couldn't so much as make Freeza twitch.)

Beerus wouldn't praise Goku's strength if he was over 1000x stronger either. I personally have Super Boo around 8x stronger than SS3 Goku, so Beerus wouldn't be too far above that.

[Sora Saiyan]

I also believe Beerus is much more than 1250x stronger than SSJ3 Goku.

You're entitled to your own opinions, but wow.

In an era where 2-4x differences in power are considered gargantuan, I'm hard-pressed(to say the least) to believe that Beerus was in the area of 2,000x> SSJ3 Goku. For a point of reference: even the difference between Saiyan saga Vegeta and 1st form Freeza was 'only' about 29x. Heck, the difference between Nail and 1st form Freeza was under 13x, and we saw how that battle went(even Nail's most powerful attacks couldn't so much as make Freeza twitch.)

I just believe Beerus and Whis are that ridiculous. I have Beerus above a hypothetical SSJ3 Vegetto. I believe it all comes down to where about you place Vegetto.
Believe me I'm well aware of all the power levels and their differences to one another, I just have Vegetto at a ridiculous level.
I also believe all the characters shown so far are so insignificant compared to Beerus, that even when he isn't trying and probably only using a very low percentage of his power they all look like practically the same. Red alien monster (episode 2) put up a better fight than Gohan and Gotenks, Goku didn't do much more either. Its just because of how ridiculous Beerus is in comparison IMO.
I still believe Gohan is as strong as he was in the Boo arc.

[rereboy]

Beerus wouldn't praise Goku's strength if he was over 1000x stronger either. I personally have Super Boo around 8x stronger than SS3 Goku, so Beerus wouldn't be too far above that.

Why wouldn't he? If Goku is way stronger than Freeza, who Beerus seemed to think it was hard for mortals to beat, Goku's power is obviously praiseworthy, even if it happened to be thousands of times weaker than Beerus.

[Galan007]

Beerus wouldn't praise Goku's strength if he was over 1000x stronger either. I personally have Super Boo around 8x stronger than SS3 Goku, so Beerus wouldn't be too far above that.

Agreed.

Whis also wouldn't have thought the battle between SSJ3 Goku and Beerus would last long enough for him to eat his lunch if there was a 1,500x difference between them. I don't think people realize just how large of a gap that actually is, tbh.

[Sora Saiyan]

Beerus hasn't used all his power in any of his battles yet, and he doesn't against Godku either. Tbf Beerus did only touch Goku like twice, he didn't really want to end the fight quickly.
It's like I've said before on a different thread. Everybody is practically equally powerless against Beerus, be it Red Alien to Ten to Piccolo, to Goku, to Gotenks and Gohan, they're all nothing too Beerus. Even when pissing about and very likely using very low percentages maybe even less than 1% of his power he makes them all look equally as bad. He's just that extreme IMO.
It's argued he's above SSJ3 Vegetto a lot. Now where would he be placed?

If Ultimate Gohan were 20x stronger than Goku, he or Vegeta would have never closed the gap in Battle of Gods. In both movies I am pretty sure Goku/Vegeta once again have the spotlight in strength. Not even counting God.

Now this is all depends on where you place Goku and Vegeta in BoG and Super. I have Gotenks SSJ (post) at about 1.5-1.75x SSJ3 Goku in the Boo arc. We know Gohans stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks in his Ultimate form, and with how I view things Gohan fit in confortably at 20x SSJ3 Goku.

[Galan007]

Beerus hasn't used all his power in any of his battles yet, and he doesn't against Godku either. Tbf Beerus did only touch Goku like twice, he didn't really want to end the fight quickly.
It's like I've said before on a different thread. Everybody is practically equally powerless against Beerus, be it Red Alien to Ten to Piccolo, to Goku, to Gotenks and Gohan, they're all nothing too Beerus. Even when pissing about and very likely using very low percentages maybe even less than 1% of his power he makes them all look equally as bad. He's just that extreme IMO.

Okay, but you realize that Beerus would also be able to own SSJ3 Goku just as effortlessly if there were 'only' like a 12x difference between them, right? *see Freeza vs. Nail* And that is a fairly high-end example... Heck, Whis is 'only' 50%> Beerus, yet can own/KO him with one casual chop.

There are many more examples, but hopefully you at least see where I'm coming from?

[Sora Saiyan]

Yep, I do understand that, but he couldn't do what he did to Ultimate Gohan at that level IMO. I've already stated why I believe he's so excessive and how he makes everybody look as weak as each other no matter how weak or strong they are at this point. He's too extreme. Like I said, I guess where you place Beerus depends on where you'd place Vegetto at SSJ3 possibly. Beerus was also heavily suppressed when Goku said that, so he's definitely above the level where Goku ruled out merging against him.

[ahill1]

I also believe Beerus is much more than 1250x stronger than SSJ3 Goku.

You're entitled to your own opinions, but wow.

In an era where 2-4x differences in power are considered gargantuan, I'm hard-pressed(to say the least) to believe that Beerus was in the area of 2,000x> SSJ3 Goku. For a point of reference: even the difference between Saiyan saga Vegeta and 1st form Freeza was 'only' about 29x. Heck, the difference between Nail and 1st form Freeza was under 13x, and we saw how that battle went(even Nail's most powerful attacks couldn't so much as make Freeza twitch.)

Beerus wouldn't praise Goku's strength if he was over 1000x stronger either. I personally have Super Boo around 8x stronger than SS3 Goku, so Beerus wouldn't be too far above that.

So you think Gotenks SSJ(post rosat) = Goku SSJ3??? This cannot be.

[Captain Space]

I mean, if we're talking about small differences:

Early Namek saga Vegeta: 24,000

Cui: 18,000

Dodoria: Between 18,000 and 24,000

Zarbon: Slightly higher than that, still under 24,000

Vegeta's advantage in all cases: x1.33 or less.

And Vegeta completely stomped Cui and Dodoria.

So you think Gotenks SSJ(post rosat) = Goku SSJ3??? This cannot be.

That doesn't necessarily follow from what they said. It only follows if SSJ3 Gotenks = Super Buu, but Gotenks is pretty definitely stronger than Super Buu when he's actually fighting seriously and staying concentrated (Buu's advantages in that fight mostly come from exploiting his unique body; when he does a mouth-blast and Gotenks does one back, Gotenks' is clearly much more effective, and when they finally get into hand-to-hand at the end of the fight, Gotenks is kicking the crap out of him). The problem is he's almost never doing that.

[ahill1]

I mean, if we're talking about small differences:

Early Namek saga Vegeta: 24,000

Cui: 18,000

Dodoria: Between 18,000 and 24,000

Zarbon: Slightly higher than that, still under 24,000

Vegeta's advantage in all cases: x1.33 or less.

And Vegeta completely stomped Cui and Dodoria.

So you think Gotenks SSJ(post rosat) = Goku SSJ3??? This cannot be.

That doesn't necessarily follow from what they said. It only follows if SSJ3 Gotenks = Super Buu, but Gotenks is pretty definitely stronger than Super Buu when he's actually fighting seriously and staying concentrated (Buu's advantages in that fight mostly come from exploiting his unique body; when he does a mouth-blast and Gotenks does one back, Gotenks' is clearly much more effective, and when they finally get into hand-to-hand at the end of the fight, Gotenks is kicking the crap out of him). The problem is he's almost never doing that.

Buu was not fighting seriously with Gotenks; If Buu wanted he could win.

[LonelyShadow]

How about Buutenks then? But only with Gotenks' powers absorbed, in this case Buu has Piccolo's intelligence not his power.

Well, SSJ3 Gotenks and Super Boo were near-equals. That said, when Boo absorbed Gotenks, his power should have doubled(roughly.) So IF Super Boo were ~8x more powerful than SSJ3 Goku, then Bootenks would be ~16x more powerful than SSJ3 Goku... In which case a 10x SSJ4 boost wouldn't cut it.

IMO.

For a second there, I forgot how numbers worked.

Gohan (DBS) vs. Bulma

Bulma survived a direct hit from Beerus, DBS Gohan probably didn't suffer any serious damage when he got hit with the Buat, he just wanted to go back to his wife because he knows he'll never be able to find another one and got very worried about it. I'll say that Yajirobe takes this, based on his fur and eye color.