Discussion, generally of an in-universe nature, regarding any aspect of the franchise (including movies, spin-offs, etc.) such as: techniques, character relationships, internal back-history, its universe, and more.
Man-Child wrote:What if Dragon Ball didn't follow the multiverse theory, and instead, was just one time line?
Every week these guys would have to fight a new bad guy haha. I mean look at all what happened. If the movies and show some how fit. The heroes would have became a lot stronger through training and zenkai boost. As well would have learned their lessons. So by the time they reached beerus. They might have done a little better.
Would Beerus even be as strong as he is without the existence of Whis? And what if we're going strictly by the manga? How would this affect Trunks and the Android saga?
Though if the movies were somehow to fit, I agree that the BP gains would be enormous.
Man-Child wrote:What if Dragon Ball didn't follow the multiverse theory, and instead, was just one time line?
Every week these guys would have to fight a new bad guy haha. I mean look at all what happened. If the movies and show some how fit. The heroes would have became a lot stronger through training and zenkai boost. As well would have learned their lessons. So by the time they reached beerus. They might have done a little better.
Would Beerus even be as strong as he is without the existence of Whis? And what if we're going strictly by the manga? How would this affect Trunks and the Android saga?
Though if the movies were somehow to fit, I agree that the BP gains would be enormous.
Beerus would be a lot more reckless. I mean he would destroy all these planets and stars for the dumbest of reasons. Even though we like to say that Whis isn't neutral. He kind of is. In a fashion he is Beerus conscious and voice of reason. Without whis a lot of things would be destroyed now. And Beerus would never understand that their are bigger fish out there. And he would most likely become like frieza or Buu.
And I don't know what you meant about future trunk?
Also yeah by the time they reached cell. The heroes would be his level of power or near it. Especially after all those battles. I mean if they fought Broly, Haiyacth (can't spell his name), and that villain in fancom game. They would have had enough Bp to destroy cell. I mean after all that I bet Vegeta could defeat cell.
What if Krillin was the one to slice off Oozaru Vegeta's tail?
What if Gohan was the one who everyone knew wiped out Cell?
What if Gohan got killed by Raditz before Goku could save him?
Lunatic Fringe wrote:What if Krillin was the one to slice off Oozaru Vegeta's tail?
What if Gohan was the one who everyone knew wiped out Cell?
What if Gohan got killed by Raditz before Goku could save him?
-Nothing changes
-Gohan wouldn't be able to go to school normally and Mr. Satan would never rise to fame. If things played out similarly, then Gohan could tell the world to give their energy to his dad for the Genki Dama.
-Goku and Piccolo die since Gohan doesn't in turn save them and mortally wound Raditz.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
What if Future Trunks didn't actually travel in time, but used the Pendulum Room to leave his impression in the past, which would be accessed by Gohan when looking for his future in the same room? They would meet in that continuum, as if the Androids/Cell saga only happened in their minds, and change everyhing. What would happen next?
Berserker1921 wrote:
And I don't know what you meant about future trunk?
What I meant was how that would affect time travel in the Android saga. Would Trunks return to his future and find that Androids 20 and 19 now once existed? Would his future even be a post apocalyptic one now that he changed events in the past that allowed the humans to destroy the androids? If so, would that mean that he'd have no reason to go back to the past a second time, leading to his death by Cell? And if so, wouldn't that mean Cell would go back to the past and alter the future so that the earth is destroyed? Or would things remain unchanged without Trunks in the past during the Cell saga? It's a lot to think about haha.
Lunatic Fringe wrote: What if Gohan got killed by Raditz before Goku could save him?
At which point? If before he breaks out of the pod and injures Raditz, then Piccolo and Goku would both be dead, and Raditz would've taken over the earth. If this is after Gohan injured Raditz, then it's a very different situation. Perhaps things would play out as they did before, with Goku dead from the Makankosappo, and Piccolo alive to prepare for the Saiyans. Only, Gohan wouldn't have been there to turn Piccolo good. Gohan wouldn't have a body in the afterlife either, (given that he hadn't done anything exceptional for the earth up to that point) so he'd only be returned to earth with Goku after a year had passed. With no training, Gohan would not have helped in the battle against the Saiyans, and either Piccolo and Krillin would've been killed by Nappa, or they would've lived long enough to help Goku fight Vegeta. If the former happened, then Goku would've died facing Vegeta alone, and the earth would be doomed. If the latter, then Piccolo and Krillin could probably have helped Goku during the Oozaru battle, either by cutting off Vegeta's tail themselves, or distracting Vegeta as Yaijrobe cuts it off himself. From there, Piccolo would be killed or severely injured by Vegeta while Krillin uses the spirit bomb. If in the exact placement of Gohan during that point, the spirit bomb would miss Vegeta and hilariously kill Piccolo as he wouldn't be able to bounce it back. If not, then Vegeta just dodges the bomb, and they're all dead anyway.
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Truhan wrote:What if Future Trunks didn't actually travel in time, but used the Pendulum Room to leave his impression in the past, which would be accessed by Gohan when looking for his future in the same room? They would meet in that continuum, as if the Androids/Cell saga only happened in their minds, and change everyhing. What would happen next?
Given that the Pendulum Room was only filler, I'm not exactly sure how it works, but doesn't it only show an illusion of the past, instead of actually letting the person affect history in any way? Wouldn't it then be impossible for Trunks to leave an impression if he never actually went to the past in the first place?
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Doctor. wrote:What if Gohan didn't slack off from the Boo arc to F?
The energy that Yamu and Spopivhc steal form Gohan instantly revives Majin Boo and because of this Babidi won't feel the need the take over Vegeta's mind, and Majin Vegeta never becomes a thing. The minute Majin Boo is born, Gohan steps in and kills him with great ease. Then Goku, Vegeta and Kaioshin easily take of Babidi, Dabra and the rest of the Majin minions. Goku returns to the afterlife and the Majin Boo arc ends right there.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Doctor. wrote:What if Gohan didn't slack off from the Boo arc to F?
The energy that Yamu and Spopivhc steal form Gohan instantly revives Majin Boo and because of this Babidi won't feel the need the take over Vegeta's mind, and Majin Vegeta never becomes a thing. The minute Majin Boo is born, Gohan steps in and kills him with great ease. Then Goku, Vegeta and Kaioshin easily take of Babidi, Dabra and the rest of the Majin minions. Goku returns to the afterlife and the Majin Boo arc ends right there.
Then Beerus wouldn't find his SSJG and Freeza kills everyone.
Anyways, what if Goku magically became evil? Who would tame him? Gohan? Chi-Chi? Goten? Krillin? Vegeta? Food?
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
DBZAOTA482 wrote:Anyways, what if Goku magically became evil? Who would tame him? Gohan? Chi-Chi? Goten? Krillin? Vegeta? Food?
Evil Goku in my opinion would basically be Turles. So really, nothing would tame him. He would go on a killing spree and only stops when someone kills him.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Toriyama's version of Evil Goku would probably be an incompetent buffoon who can, indeed, be tamed by good food and fight challenges.
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super
1. Goku won't be as strong then he would be. Goku would have let Vegeta leave the Earth so that he can fight him again. He would beat up Dodoria until Vegeta shows up to kill Dodoria. After Zarbon fights Vegeta, Goku would have likely kill Zarbon. The Ginyu force later shows up and everyone dies.
2. Cell would have likely fight everyone and if Cell kills someone like Piccolo or saw Cell crush #16's head then Gohan would have gone SSj2. Everything would have played out the same.
3. Nothing would have changed really. Tien would be remember as the person who died three times in the series next to Krillin.
What if Piccolo used his Light Grenade on 17 instead and managed to kill him?
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
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Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
ekrolo2 wrote:What if Piccolo used his Light Grenade on 17 instead and managed to kill him?
Cell cuts his loses and absorbs #18 instead and story continues as it does until ASSJ Vegeta takes on Cell and with nothing left to bargin with, Cell is up shit creek and Vegeta kills him.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
ekrolo2 wrote:What if Piccolo used his Light Grenade on 17 instead and managed to kill him?
Cell cuts his loses and absorbs #18 instead and story continues as it does until ASSJ Vegeta takes on Cell and with nothing left to bargin with, Cell is up shit creek and Vegeta kills him.
No SS2 Gohan means Goku doesn't die, meaning there's no SS3 Goku (maybe not even SS2 Goku) and they all die in the Boo arc.
ekrolo2 wrote:What if Piccolo used his Light Grenade on 17 instead and managed to kill him?
Cell cuts his loses and absorbs #18 instead and story continues as it does until ASSJ Vegeta takes on Cell and with nothing left to bargin with, Cell is up shit creek and Vegeta kills him.
No SS2 Gohan means Goku doesn't die, meaning there's no SS3 Goku (maybe not even SS2 Goku) and they all die in the Boo arc.
Would Buu exist though? No ssj2 gohan. No power for Buu. The only problem will be when Beerus or frieza comes. Then everyone dies.
Berserker1921 wrote:Would Buu exist though? No ssj2 gohan. No power for Buu. The only problem will be when Beerus or Freeza comes. Then everyone dies.
Nah, with no Boo then Beerus doesn't get mad and he leaves the Earth peacefully. It also means that Freeza wouldn't train as much because Sorbet didn't tell him Goku defeated Boo, meaning Golden Freeza (if he even achieves that form) would be much weaker.
