The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Darkron2151]

Cell Games Post Second ROSAT Majin Vegeta VS Cell Games Goku

We don't know exactly how much of a boost Vegeta got when he went Majin, so it depends on how big the gap was between the two during the Cell Games in relation to the Early Buu Saga. IMO, it's the same gap; so with it, same boost. So this pretty much ends up like it did during the Buu Arc, with them pretty much even and no Buu to stop the fight. However, I say that Goku will win in the long run due to his seemingly better control over SSJ power and stamina use at that point in the series.

[Lord Beerus]

Cell Games Post Second ROSAT Majin Vegeta VS Cell Games Goku

Goku gets his ass handed to him.

[Captain Space]

Cell Games Post Second ROSAT Majin Vegeta VS Cell Games Goku

I would imagine that the gap between Goku and Vegeta only widened between the Cell and Buu sagas, so if Majin was enough to bring Vegeta up to Goku's level by Buu, then it'd be enough to let him surpass Goku here.

[DBZAOTA482]

Bulma vs. Eyebrow Snake

[Captain Space]

Bulma vs. Eyebrow Snake

I would imagine the snake, being a large predatory animal, can take down a normal non-combatant human. Unless Bulma has, say, a capsule with a mech suit, or is carrying a gun like she sometimes did up through the saiyan arc.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

M3 Piccolo vs. Zarbon

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Can Zarbon transform? If not, I gotta give it to Piccolo. He was read at 18k with his weights on, but I see him around 24k at full-power.

[ZombieVito]

Cell Games Post Second ROSAT Majin Vegeta VS Cell Games Goku

Goku wins after a hard fight.

M3 Piccolo vs. Zarbon

They have similar power, I give this to Piccolo because he is the better fighter.

[LonelyShadow]

— Gotenks gets his cocky clock cleaned. He'd need SS2 on top of his RoSaT improvements to fight evenly with this Boo, and SS3 to give him an easy victory.

If that's the case, how strong was Gotenks compared to SSJ3 Goku/Kid Buu before and after Goten and Trunks trained in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber?

I always hear/read peoples' interpretations about it, many of them are very different from each other, I once read some post that stated that Gotenks in his base form after the training was stronger than Goku as a SSJ3. I personally have SSJ Gotenks at 100% after his training at a par with Goku, maybe slightly weaker.

Saiyan Beyond God Goku - Guantelet:

Super Buu
SSJ3 Gotenks
Ultimate Gohan
Buutenks
Buuhan
Base Vegetto
SSJ Vegetto

I think that Godku could clear up the list, but only if the Super Saiyan multiplier doesn't work the same way for the SSGSS transformation, of course.

[Lord Beerus]

Saiyan Beyond God Goku - Guantelet:

Super Buu
SSJ3 Gotenks
Ultimate Gohan
Buutenks
Buuhan
Base Vegetto
SSJ Vegetto

I think that Godku could clear up the list, but only if the Super Saiyan multiplier doesn't work the same way for the SSGSS transformation, of course.

The difference in power between SSJG Goku and SBG Goku was practically indistinguishable, according to Beerus. SBG Goku clears the list with ease.

[ahill1]

M3 Piccolo vs. Zarbon

Piccolo(Weighted) 18,000
~W/o Weights 22,800

Zarbon(normal) 22,000
~Monster 28,000

If Zarbon can not transform then Piccolo wins.

[ahill1]

It was not shown on the Cell Jr. give a coup in Trunks; Gohan said they would lose because once the weakest were dead, the Cell Jr. would join in Vegeta and Trunks; Vegeta and Trunks could only fight evenly, so when the other warriors die the game will be over for Vegeta and his son.

In addition the Daizenshuu 7 stated that the Cell Jr. were equal to Vegeta and Trunks.

I don't have any idea what the first part of your first sentence is trying to say. Second, you have no way to validate this. There's nothing to substantiate that claim, as there's no evidence to show Gohan's thinking that. All he's saying is that everyone's going to die. Vegeta and Trunks are stated to be slipping by Cell. Trunks also takes a few hits off screen which we see by the blood on his face when he reappears. The Cell Jr. he's with has no signs of damage or wear. The Cell Jr. fighting Vegeta shows no signs of distress, only a bit of blood from Vegeta's initial hit, which was immediately countered, leading into Vegeta's surprise and anger. Trunks clearly has the harder time, so he'd die first. As I've stated, nothing suggests they'd win.

The source material always trumps supplemental material. I don't know what the exact quote you're referring to is, but Cell clearly states they're losing their grip, meaning it's not even.

Cell says that Vegeta and Trunks cannot win maybe because the Cell Jr have Cell's regenerative powers and various techniques. But they're on par with Vegeta and Trunks in power.
In fact everyone would die because the Cell Jr would all join in Vegeta and Trunks as the other warriors were defeated.

[Sayo-chan]

Cell says that Vegeta and Trunks cannot win maybe because the Cell Jr have Cell's regenerative powers and various techniques.

No he doesn't. He just states they're going to lose and that they're slipping. None of the Cell Jrs. did anything beyond physical attacks and they were winning.

But they're on par with Vegeta and Trunks in power.
In fact everyone would die because the Cell Jr would all join in Vegeta and Trunks as the other warriors were defeated.

They're not on par. The Cell Jrs. had the edge, as stated by Cell. The last claim you make is plausible but not required.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

SSG Vegetto (BOG) vs. Beers + Whis potara fusion

[Sayo-chan]

SSG Vegetto (BOG) vs. Beers + Whis potara fusion

Wheerus... Beerhis... Hard to choose a name. 10*15 = 150. Goku and Vegeta are like what, 6 or 7 each? 6*6 = 36. Vegetto gets easily one-shotted.


To make things fair, I think SSGSS Vegetto would need to substitute his SSG self here. However, the 6 comes from God Goku, not Super Saiyan God Goku. So would it be a multiplier of 50? If so, that would be 50*36 = 1,800. If not then Vegetto would need SSGSS3 just to come close (144).

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Well, I see it as Goku and Vegeta are equals, and Beers is 66% of Whis, so Goku and Vegeta's fusion would be more effective. I think that being closer in power results in a more effective fusion.

[Captain Space]

Well, I see it as Goku and Vegeta are equals, and Beers is 66% of Whis, so Goku and Vegeta's fusion would be more effective. I think that being closer in power results in a more effective fusion.

I wouldn't have thought that even a lesser version of that applies to Potara-type fusion, but I suppose I can't prove it doesn't.

[ahill1]

Cell says that Vegeta and Trunks cannot win maybe because the Cell Jr have Cell's regenerative powers and various techniques.

No he doesn't. He just states they're going to lose and that they're slipping. None of the Cell Jrs. did anything beyond physical attacks and they were winning.

But they're on par with Vegeta and Trunks in power.
In fact everyone would die because the Cell Jr would all join in Vegeta and Trunks as the other warriors were defeated.

They're not on par. The Cell Jrs. had the edge, as stated by Cell. The last claim you make is plausible but not required.

Juniors were not winning; they were tied with Vegeta and Trunks-As they have power similar to Vegeta and Trunks Cell should be relying on the regenerative powers and techniques the top Juniors. Superior techniques of Cell Jr. would give them victory.

Piccolo 20,000,000,000
Future Trunks SSJ 22,500,000,000
Vegeta SSJ 22,500,000,000
Cell Jr 22,500,000,000

Seems perfect.

[Captain Space]

Juniors were not winning; they were tied with Vegeta and Trunks-As they have power similar to Vegeta and Trunks Cell should be relying on the regenerative powers and techniques the top Juniors. Superior techniques of Cell Jr. would give them victory.

How does showing Vegeta and Trunks more injured than their opponents mean anything other than the Cell Jrs. having an advantage?

[Sayo-chan]

Juniors were not winning; they were tied with Vegeta and Trunks-As they have power similar to Vegeta and Trunks Cell should be relying on the regenerative powers and techniques the top Juniors. Superior techniques of Cell Jr. would give them victory.

Piccolo 20,000,000,000
Future Trunks SSJ 22,500,000,000
Vegeta SSJ 22,500,000,000
Cell Jr 22,500,000,000

Seems perfect.

But it's not perfect... at all. Again, nothing suggests what you're saying. They were winning. Cell stated they were winning and the artwork shows this. Trunks was taking a beating. Vegeta traded one blow with his opponent. Gohan's fearful everyone's going to die. That's the situation. Nothing points to them being equal.