Supreme Kai's strength

[Truhan]

Kaioshin >> Piccolo >>>>> Freeza > Base Saiyans is such an undeniable fact now that it amazes me how some people still can't accept it.

Well, in a fandom where people still somehow try to deny Ultimate Gohan > Super Buu >>> SS3 Goku >= Pure Buu...

They're not in denial though, just accepting of new "evidence", and the beautiful thing about it is that a general Majin Boo theory can be made to support both sides with their own entry values. It allowed me to change my view on the subject, by using the same formulas, but changing the values around. As for Shin... I guess that he is as strong as a Buu Saga fully powered SSJ.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

He chose fighting together over using SS because he saw it's ineffective against Yakon, since Yakon ate Goku's light energy.

And Goku only chose SS when the lights turned off.

Vegeta also says Kaioshin's Ki can't be sensed, just like no one could sense Beers/Whis' Ki in Battle of Gods.

Piccolo obviously didn't sense his ki, since he was the only one that became aware of Kaioshin's power.

Piccolo even flat-out says he doesn't know why he's so afraid of Kaioshin.

And after that, he says that he didn't fight him because he was way stronger than him.

If you're going to use the Daizenshuu..

I was aware of this.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but does Roshi not say that during the Uranai Baba saga? When Goku's fighting the Mummy?

No, he said that in the plane after leaving from the RRA base.

Chapter: 97, P10.1-6
Bulma: “That boy just keeps getting stronger, doesn’t he?”
Yamcha: “He’s quite a fellow indeed.”
Kame-sennin: “He may even be stronger than me at this point…”
Kuririn: “W-What--?! Are you serious--?!”
Roshi: “He wiped out the entire Red Ribbon Army on his own…I don’t think even I have the stamina to take on such a large military force...Ho ho ho… He is an inestimable lad already…and I suspect he has a long way to go yet!”
Kuririn: “Wow…”
Yamcha: “So if one of us were thinking about winning the next Tenkaichi Budoukai, we won’t be able to scratch him if we do only a little bit of training?”
Kame-sennin: “You got that right.”
Kuririn: “D’oh!”
Yamcha: “And to think that until just recently, we were almost equal in ability…”

After seeing his fight against Mummy-kun, he realized that Goku was even stronger than he expected him to be.

Definitely not implied to be stronger than the Super Saiyans when he's cowering in fear from Dabra who's "implied" to be weaker than SS Vegeta.

That depends on if you think Gohan was a SS or SS2. Personally, I believe Gohan was a SS2 against Dabra (and in every other case after the tournament), and that Dabra was as strong as SP Cell. But Kaioshin said that he was surpassed by mortals after he saw SS2 Goku's power against Yakon, realized that Gohan back in the tournament may hide even more power, and hearing that Vegeta was even more powerful than Gohan. Sounds to me like SS2 is what surpasses him.

[supercat]

I'm not sure how anyone still believes that Yakon, Pui Pui, and the base Saiyans were anywhere near Frieza, Kaioshin, and Piccolo. Beerus explicitly mentioned in not one, but TWO sources (BoG and Super) that Goku's base form does NOT possess the ability to trump the emperor of evil. You would think that people would finally get it after hearing such a notable statement coming out of the mouth of a canon character from two canon sources.

Logically speaking, that statement alone automatically puts Kaioshin worlds above any of the base Saiyans along with the weaklings (Pui Pui and Yakon) they nonchalantly trounced on Babidi's ship.

As for where the overseer stands, I personally believe that he was leagues above Piccolo, but a few notches below Dabura. Sure, the former guardian of Earth probably decided to throw in the towel as a gesture of respect, but he could have politely humbled himself without playing the part of a coward. To some extent, he probably was shocked that a potential deity was standing before him, but again, that doesn't mean he has to swallow his pride and literally portray himself as a quivering fool.

Between Piccolo being one of the few fighters to actually keep up with his training, and his amazing track record of gaining strength, there should be no reason for him to be below Cell Jr-tier come the Buu arc.

Granted, Gohan was bent out of shape during his little showcase of power at the tournament, but that still doesn't takeaway from Kaioshin completely immobilizing a Super Saiyan 2. Also, I don't subscribe to the theory that the latter was able to pull that little maneuver off due to magic, as the depiction of a weak wizard who relies on magic to subdue superior fighters is a Bibidi and Babidi exclusive personification.

Bottom Line:
Supreme Kai could utterly humiliate Frieza.
There was enough difference in power between Frieza and the base Saiyans to elicit a remark from Beerus.
Piccolo far surpassed the two Super Saiyans who literally destroyed Frieza.
Both Yakon and Pui Pui were easily dispatched, and were basically thought of as laughable fools when Babidi sent them out.

Supreme Kai >> Piccolo >>>>> Frieza >> Base Saiyans >>>>>> Yakon > Pui Pui

[Hugo Boss]

Kaioshin does suggest he can defeat Freeza with a single blast, but we don't know which form of Freeza he is reffering to (could it be Freeza in general or the form Freeza is more commonly seen?). We also have Piccolo suggesting Kaioshin is very far ahead from his level (we don't know if he is using a good excuse to cover Shin's true identity!), but Super Saiyan Gohan doesn't seem to be that far ahead of Piccolo yet (SS2 Gohan is another story, though). Kaioshin also concluded that after Goku defeated Yakon, he was surpassed by lower beings, but it seems Goku just need Super Saiyan to be able to defeat Kaioshin.

To mess the things up, Dragon Ball's recent stuff doesn't seem to consider Kaioshins as stronger than Freeza at all, but you could argue that their magical abilities can give them a little more endurance, I guess. Look at what he has done to Gohan and he managed to survive two times against Majin Boo. The odds are.. when Spopovich and Yam stole Gohan's energy, Kaioshin suggested he and Kibito wouldn't stand a chance againt Babidi and his minions without the help of Goku and the others, and that was before he knew Dabra was among them. He even lost hope when Dabra debuted, so he seems to be weaker than Super Saiyan Gohan too. At a moment, Babidi also suggested Yakon could kill Kaioshin, but he ordered the monster to spare the god for later.

So, in the end, Yakon must be much stronger than we give him credit for or Kaioshin's strength is very inconsistent.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

And Goku only chose SS when the lights turned off.

What's your point?

Piccolo obviously didn't sense his ki, since he was the only one that became aware of Kaioshin's power.

Why would Piccolo be able to sense Godly Ki? Could he sense Beers and Whis in Battle of Gods?

And after that, he says that he didn't fight him because he was way stronger than him.

But Kaioshin couldn't be sensed. Piccolo wouldn't know, it seemed like an excuse to give Goku because he didn't know who Kaioshin was and didn't want to make any assumptions. It wouldn't make sense if he didn't know why he was afraid of Kaioshin when he knew it was because of Kaioshin's strength. The reason he gave up was because Kaioshin read his mind, that made Piccolo freak out and then give up. Nothing about power.

No, he said that in the plane after leaving from the RRA base.

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After seeing his fight against Mummy-kun, he realized that Goku was even stronger than he expected him to be.

Ah, okay. That was my mistake. I hadn't bothered to check myself and recalled Roshi saying that during Goku's fight. My bad.

That depends on if you think Gohan was a SS or SS2. Personally, I believe Gohan was a SS2 against Dabra (and in every other case after the tournament), and that Dabra was as strong as SP Cell. But Kaioshin said that he was surpassed by mortals after he saw SS2 Goku's power against Yakon, realized that Gohan back in the tournament may hide even more power, and hearing that Vegeta was even more powerful than Gohan. Sounds to me like SS2 is what surpasses him.

Regardless of Gohan's form. Vegeta says he could easily defeat Dabra and Goku doesn't question it or look the slightest confused, and this was before he knew Vegeta could use SS2.

I'm not sure how anyone still believes that Yakon, Pui Pui, and the base Saiyans were anywhere near Freeza, Kaioshin, and Piccolo.

Because we're shown Kaioshin in fear of both Pocus and Yakon.

but TWO sources (BoG and Super)

The same sources that say Bulma is 38, and that Mai was the same age as Goku in the Pilaf saga, and that the Dragon only grants one wish, and that 1.3 million is an impressive power level, and that Piccolo is Zarbon tier.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Kaioshin sure looks like he's about to shit himself when Super Saiyan Goku readies his Chi-blast. He also thought he'd lose to Goku if they actually fought. Kaioshin would only know about Super Saiyan at the most, since none of them were aware of Super Saiyan 2.

With that, I wouldn't put Kaioshin above any of the Super Saiyans.

[DBZAOTA482]

Kaioshin sure looks like he's about to shit himself when Super Saiyan Goku readies his Chi-blast. He also thought he'd lose to Goku if they actually fought. Kaioshin would only know about Super Saiyan at the most, since none of them were aware of Super Saiyan 2.

With that, I wouldn't put Kaioshin above any of the Super Saiyans.

I'm sure he did just that.

[supercat]

Kaioshin does suggest he can defeat Freeza with a single blast, but we don't know which form of Freeza he is reffering to (could it be Freeza in general or the form Freeza is more commonly seen?). We also have Piccolo suggesting Kaioshin is very far ahead from his level (we don't know if he is using a good excuse to cover Shin's true identity!), but Super Saiyan Gohan doesn't seem to be that far ahead of Piccolo yet (SS2 Gohan is another story, though). Kaioshin also concluded that after Goku defeated Yakon, he was surpassed by lower beings, but it seems Goku just need Super Saiyan to be able to defeat Kaioshin.

To mess the things up, Dragon Ball's recent stuff doesn't seem to consider Kaioshins as stronger than Freeza at all, but you could argue that their magical abilities can give them a little more endurance, I guess. Look at what he has done to Gohan and he managed to survive two times against Majin Boo. The odds are.. when Spopovich and Yam stole Gohan's energy, Kaioshin suggested he and Kibito wouldn't stand a chance againt Babidi and his minions without the help of Goku and the others, and that was before he knew Dabra was among them. He even lost hope when Dabra debuted, so he seems to be weaker than Super Saiyan Gohan too. At a moment, Babidi also suggested Yakon could kill Kaioshin, but he ordered the monster to spare the god for later.

So, in the end, Yakon must be much stronger than we give him credit for or Kaioshin's strength is very inconsistent.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't you one of the handful that believed Goku was comparing Buuhan to Rild? If so, I'm not sure why you would think that Kaioshin was referring to Frieza's weaker forms.

I'm not trying to take the topic in a different direction here, but it actually makes a lot of sense that Goku wasn't referring to Buuhan, as the latter wasn't even composed of Buu's power alone, but rather the collective strength of four others that were forced to reside within him. More to the point, since the vast majority of Buuhan's power was extracted from Gohan, one could even argue that using this incarnation of the former as a comparison is nothing short of dropping the latter's name.

In Frieza's case, all four forms were entirely him, meaning, none of his powers were borrowed and/or taken through the usage of scheming tactics.

Kaioshin was exceptionally paranoid around the entire band of Majins (which includes useless tools like Pui Pui), so his desire to fight as a group, or his general willingness to proceed with caution really doesn't tell me much. Watching his brethren get mercilessly slaughtered and/or absorbed probably left him mentally and emotionally debilitated to the point where he was reduced to a coward whenever he was forced to confront the source of all his trauma.

I'm not sure how anyone still believes that Yakon, Pui Pui, and the base Saiyans were anywhere near Freeza, Kaioshin, and Piccolo.

Because we're shown Kaioshin in fear of both Pocus and Yakon.

but TWO sources (BoG and Super)

The same sources that say Bulma is 38, and that Mai was the same age as Goku in the Pilaf saga, and that the Dragon only grants one wish, and that 1.3 million is an impressive power level, and that Piccolo is Zarbon tier.

-Read my response to Hugo Boss in regards to this so-called fear of Kaioshin's that seems to constantly subject him to all this doubt.

-So now you're doubting the canonicity of two sources that were straight up told to be canon?

-Age in DBZ is hard to take seriously when things like other world and the RoSaT exist.

-Shenron was acting out of character when he saw that Beerus was present, so it's quite plausible that the shortage of wishes was due to the destroyer's presence. Totally a speculation, but maybe he didn't feel worthy enough to utilize his powers for the purpose of fulfilling the insignificant needs of mere mortals in the face of a deity?

-I agree that the whole 1.3 million power level line was just preposterous..

-What's wrong with Shisami training? Just because something wasn't shown on screen, doesn't mean it couldn't have happened. I imagine you of all people would agree with me on that since you're one of the few members who seem to stand behind all the indescribably ridiculous hax shown in GT.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

-Read my response to Hugo Boss in regards to this so-called fear of Kaioshin's that seems to constantly subject him to all this doubt.

-So now you're doubting the canonicity of two sources that were straight up told to be canon?

-Age in DBZ is hard to take seriously when things like other world and the RoSaT exist.

-Shenron was acting out of character when he saw that Beerus was present, so it's quite plausible that the shortage of wishes was due to the destroyer's presence. Totally a speculation, but maybe he didn't feel worthy enough to utilize his powers for the purpose of fulfilling the insignificant needs of mere mortals in the face of a deity?

-I agree that the whole 1.3 million power level line was just preposterous..

-What's wrong with Shisami training? Just because something wasn't shown on screen, doesn't mean it couldn't have happened. I would imagine you of all people would agree with me on that since you're one of the few members who seem to stand behind all the indescribably ridiculous hax shown in GT.

-That's the usual common excuse made to try and explain why someone (Kaioshit) would be so afraid of people much weaker than them, which never happens in DBZ, a show all about power.

-I didn't say that. My point is I don't take any statements/feats from the new material seriously. There's numerous contradictions / inconsistencies created. The manga is the source material and what I abide by in power debates.

-That's a viable explanation, but doesn't change the fact that it's an inconsistency, regardless of explanations.

-Like a lot of the new material..

-Because it's never stated/hinted at. It's a fan-created explanation to try and cover for the poor writing presented with the new material. Sure it's possible, it's just unlikely. I don't see why people feel the need to try and defend everything Toriyama does nowadays. He's forgotten a lot, by his own admission.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

What's your point?

My point is that if it hadn't gotten dark, Goku wouldn't have used SS. Base Goku showed superior speed & strength to Yakon, though they were apparently close in power, and Gohan offered his help when it got dark and SS appeared useless against him, but he didn't ask for anyone else's help, meaning that 2 base Saiyans were enough to beat him with closed eyes.

Why would Piccolo be able to sense Godly Ki? Could he sense Beers and Whis in Battle of Gods?

I didn't say that Piccolo sensed his ki. But somehow, he could tell that Kaioshin was much stronger than him. I think it's because of Kaioshin's confidence. Kaioshin showed Piccolo that he can read his mind, so he should know how strong Piccolo is. If he was weaker than Piccolo, he wouldn't have shown that confidence.

Regardless of Gohan's form. Vegeta says he could easily defeat Dabra and Goku doesn't question it or look the slightest confused, and this was before he knew Vegeta could use SS2.

Goku doesn't even know how strong Vegeta is in his base & SS forms in the first place, since he hadn't seen him in a serious fight yet, so all he had to go was by Vegeta's words. And since he wasn't surprised, it means that he expected Vegeta to be at least that strong.

[supercat]

-Read my response to Hugo Boss in regards to this so-called fear of Kaioshin's that seems to constantly subject him to all this doubt.

-So now you're doubting the canonicity of two sources that were straight up told to be canon?

-Age in DBZ is hard to take seriously when things like other world and the RoSaT exist.

-Shenron was acting out of character when he saw that Beerus was present, so it's quite plausible that the shortage of wishes was due to the destroyer's presence. Totally a speculation, but maybe he didn't feel worthy enough to utilize his powers for the purpose of fulfilling the insignificant needs of mere mortals in the face of a deity?

-I agree that the whole 1.3 million power level line was just preposterous..

-What's wrong with Shisami training? Just because something wasn't shown on screen, doesn't mean it couldn't have happened. I would imagine you of all people would agree with me on that since you're one of the few members who seem to stand behind all the indescribably ridiculous hax shown in GT.

-That's the usual common excuse made to try and explain why someone (Kaioshit) would be so afraid of people much weaker than them, which never happens in DBZ, a show all about power.

-I didn't say that. My point is I don't take any statements/feats from the new material seriously. There's numerous contradictions / inconsistencies created. The manga is the source material and what I abide by in power debates.

-That's a viable explanation, but doesn't change the fact that it's an inconsistency, regardless of explanations.

-Like a lot of the new material..

-Because it's never stated/hinted at. It's a fan-created explanation to try and cover for the poor writing presented with the new material. Sure it's possible, it's just unlikely. I don't see why people feel the need to try and defend everything Toriyama does nowadays. He's forgotten a lot, by his own admission.

-Not only did Kaioshin render Piccolo completely useless by merely standing in front of him, he immobilized a Super Saiyan 2 with a single attack. Unless we actually get an indication that Pui Pui or Yakon possessed the ability to do either of the following, I'm inclined to stand behind the notion that they were substantially weaker than Frieza (Namek).

-Yes, there were numerous contradictions and plot holes dispersed throughout the recently released movies, but much akin to other fictional masterpieces, it's pretty darn unrealistic to expect a 100% inconsistency free continuation. While we could disregard the ones that make zero sense, we should still take in what seems feasible and applicable, and accept the work for what it is.

-In the original manga, base Goku fought on par with Uub, and nothing ever explained how and why the former got so darn powerful. As for GT, such unexplained increases happened on a regular basis. Bottom line is, the series has a track record of fighters getting stronger with little to no explanation, so Shisami powering up behind closed curtains is really no biggie.

[ahill1]

Piccolo said that Kaioshin belongs another beig of existence - it's nothing about power.

Kaioshin suggests gang up on Yakon; if he were stronger than Piccolo why he woldn't one - shot Yakon and Pui Pui?

only Kaioushin's paralyze technique is strong; if so Tenshinhan should be stronger than the androids 17/18 since he held Cell with his technique.

Piccolo > Goku base ~ Yakon >> Kaioshin >>> Freeza.

[supercat]

Piccolo said that Kaioshin belongs another beig of existence - it's nothing about power.

Kaioshin suggests gang up on Yakon; if he were stronger than Piccolo why he woldn't one - shot Yakon and Pui Pui?

only Kaioushin's paralyze technique is strong; if so Tenshinhan should be stronger than the androids 17/18 since he held Cell with his technique.

Piccolo > Goku base ~ Yakon >> Kaioshin >>> Freeza.

By your logic, Kaioshin is weaker than Pui Pui (a weakling who thought 10x gravity was a big deal), and Beerus' remark about base Goku holds no validity.

Why does Piccolo's gesture of respect have to coincide with a display of cowardice?

Utilizing magic to subdue superior opponents was a Babidi and Bibidi exclusive personification. Pretty sure there was a specific reason why they were singled out as the magic wielding wizards.

The Shin Kikoho holding Cell down is in no shape or form akin to completely restraining an SSJ2; Gohan was reduced to a sitting duck who let a pair of possessed humans sap him of his life.

Again, two canon sources explicitly stated that Frieza still has the edge on his adversary's base form, so I'm not sure what exactly inspires people to subscribe to a conflicting belief.

[ahill1]

It was stated in the manga that Freeza> Goku base? I do not remember...

It was stated that Kaioushin belongs to a different order of existence - why do you think that is related to power?

The paralyze technique affects stronger enemies; Chaozu (22nd Budokai) was able to paralyze Goku (22nd Budokai); Bobbidi was able to control Dabura. Magic is different from power.

According to BOG Goku SSJ Full Power = Freeza

[Lord Beerus]

According to BOG Goku SSJ Full Power = Freeza

No. According to BOG, Freeza > Base Saiyans.

[Darkprince410]

It was stated that Kaioushin belongs to a different order of existence - why do you think that is related to power?

The paralyze technique affects stronger enemies; Chaozu (22nd Budokai) was able to paralyze Goku (22nd Budokai); Bobbidi was able to control Dabura. Magic is different from power.

According to BOG Goku SSJ Full Power = Freeza

1) That's never stated. All that Piccolo states is that the dimensions between himself and Kaioushin are too different, and that same sort of dialogue (using dimensions to denote power) has been used repeatedly throughout Dragon Ball to represent one person being stronger than the other.

2) For starters, nothing says that the Paralysis Arts are magical in nature. Likewise, we've been shown multiple times that if the gap in strength between the user and the target is too great, the paralysis effect won't work. Blue was unable to paralyze Tao Pai Pai and Chaozu was unable to paralyze Nappa. As such, following that guideline, for Kaioushin to be able to restrain Gohan would suggest he wasn't that far behind Gohan.

3) No, it wasn't. Neither in Battle of Gods or the equivalent scene in Super was it stated that Ssj Goku was equal to Freeza. In both Battle of Gods and Super, it was indicated that base Goku couldn't have defeated Freeza, and Ssj Goku was strong enough to defeat him, but given how strong he was in that form, defeating Freeza was about the best he was capable of doing.

[Hugo Boss]

Spoiler:

Kaioshin does suggest he can defeat Freeza with a single blast, but we don't know which form of Freeza he is reffering to (could it be Freeza in general or the form Freeza is more commonly seen?). We also have Piccolo suggesting Kaioshin is very far ahead from his level (we don't know if he is using a good excuse to cover Shin's true identity!), but Super Saiyan Gohan doesn't seem to be that far ahead of Piccolo yet (SS2 Gohan is another story, though). Kaioshin also concluded that after Goku defeated Yakon, he was surpassed by lower beings, but it seems Goku just need Super Saiyan to be able to defeat Kaioshin.

To mess the things up, Dragon Ball's recent stuff doesn't seem to consider Kaioshins as stronger than Freeza at all, but you could argue that their magical abilities can give them a little more endurance, I guess. Look at what he has done to Gohan and he managed to survive two times against Majin Boo. The odds are.. when Spopovich and Yam stole Gohan's energy, Kaioshin suggested he and Kibito wouldn't stand a chance againt Babidi and his minions without the help of Goku and the others, and that was before he knew Dabra was among them. He even lost hope when Dabra debuted, so he seems to be weaker than Super Saiyan Gohan too. At a moment, Babidi also suggested Yakon could kill Kaioshin, but he ordered the monster to spare the god for later.

So, in the end, Yakon must be much stronger than we give him credit for or Kaioshin's strength is very inconsistent.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't you one of the handful that believed Goku was comparing Buuhan to Rild? If so, I'm not sure why you would think that Kaioshin was referring to Freeza's weaker forms.

I'm not trying to take the topic in a different direction here, but it actually makes a lot of sense that Goku wasn't referring to Buuhan, as the latter wasn't even composed of Buu's power alone, but rather the collective strength of four others that were forced to reside within him. More to the point, since the vast majority of Buuhan's power was extracted from Gohan, one could even argue that using this incarnation of the former as a comparison is nothing short of dropping the latter's name.

In Freeza's case, all four forms were entirely him, meaning, none of his powers were borrowed and/or taken through the usage of scheming tactics.

Kaioshin was exceptionally paranoid around the entire band of Majins (which includes useless tools like Pui Pui), so his desire to fight as a group, or his general willingness to proceed with caution really doesn't tell me much. Watching his brethren get mercilessly slaughtered and/or absorbed probably left him mentally and emotionally debilitated to the point where he was reduced to a coward whenever he was forced to confront the source of all his trauma.

Rild's initial display of power is enough for Goku to tell his ki is larger than Majin Boo's. Of course, Majin Boo has different forms, so you could say Goku is referring to even Gohan Boo. If you believe Goku is talking about Fat Boo, it's okay too. Since Freeza and Cell also have different forms, you could apply the same logic to work with different ideas.

As for that supposed Kaioshin's trauma/caution, I think he is just underestimating the lower beings and overestimating the magical beings. He wasn't very confident to take on Babidi without the help of Goku and the others too.

[ahill1]

It was stated that Kaioushin belongs to a different order of existence - why do you think that is related to power?

The paralyze technique affects stronger enemies; Chaozu (22nd Budokai) was able to paralyze Goku (22nd Budokai); Bobbidi was able to control Dabura. Magic is different from power.

According to BOG Goku SSJ Full Power = Freeza

1) That's never stated. All that Piccolo states is that the dimensions between himself and Kaioushin are too different, and that same sort of dialogue (using dimensions to denote power) has been used repeatedly throughout Dragon Ball to represent one person being stronger than the other.

2) For starters, nothing says that the Paralysis Arts are magical in nature. Likewise, we've been shown multiple times that if the gap in strength between the user and the target is too great, the paralysis effect won't work. Blue was unable to paralyze Tao Pai Pai and Chaozu was unable to paralyze Nappa. As such, following that guideline, for Kaioushin to be able to restrain Gohan would suggest he wasn't that far behind Gohan.

3) No, it wasn't. Neither in Battle of Gods or the equivalent scene in Super was it stated that Ssj Goku was equal to Freeza. In both Battle of Gods and Super, it was indicated that base Goku couldn't have defeated Freeza, and Ssj Goku was strong enough to defeat him, but given how strong he was in that form, defeating Freeza was about the best he was capable of doing.

1) Yeah he stated it in VIZ; it's nothing about power; look at the context.Kaioushin even said Piccolo must have found out who he was - I do not know how to be more obvious than that.

2) Part of General Blue trying to paralyze Tao Pai Pai was filler. Kaioshin technique may be able to affect much stronger enemies than himself; In Power wise he is certainly weaker than Piccolo. He suggests gang up on Yakon, therefore he's weaker than Yakon.

[Presto88]

Why does Piccolo's gesture of respect have to coincide with a display of cowardice?

Cowardice? Take it easy big fella, the facts of the matter are he was prepared to do battle with 3 Perfect Cell level Super Saiyans, knowing full well those warriors couldn't touch him unless they accessed their SS states. Secondly no one can actually gauge how strong a God is, so they can't be fearful of the power they posses because they don't know, they can of course, upon realisation of who was in front of them be in shock and awe of who happened to stumble upon their humble part of galaxy. This was the former guardian of the planet, and the only one actually capable of grasping who stood before him, overwhelming yes, but forfeiting as an act of cowardice, when he doesn't know how powerful the guy actually is and was willing to do battle with warriors at the very least in his realm of strength....please dude.

[Darkprince410]

1) Yeah he stated it in VIZ; it's nothing about power; look at the context.Kaioushin even said Piccolo must have found out who he was - I do not know how to be more obvious than that.

2) Part of General Blue trying to paralyze Tao Pai Pai was filler. Kaioshin technique may be able to affect much stronger enemies than himself; In Power wise he is certainly weaker than Piccolo. He suggests gang up on Yakon, therefore he's weaker than Yakon.

1) Viz's translations aren't the best source of fact. In the original manga, Piccolo's exact statement is:

Goku: “That much, Piccolo?...”
Piccolo: “Yeah…Our dimensions…are too different…”
Kuririn: “Yo-you’re kidding, right? Stop joking around! I-I’ve got to fight him next”

Piccolo saying that is literally no different than other lines such as these, which are all directly related to power.

Piccolo: “Kukkukku…You think that you’ll be able to manage something by ganging up on me? Don’t make me laugh! Even if there were a hundred of the likes of you, you’d still be no match. God included. I’m already in a completely different dimension than you!”

Narrator: “Piccolo and the other two seemed paralyzed from their fear of Freeza, whose battle power was in a completely different dimension, and they couldn’t even move…”

Kuririn: “It’s no use…No matter how much Piccolo may have trained at Lord Kaio’s, Freeza’s in an entirely different dimension…”

So Viz's dialogue trying to say that he's a different order of being and that's why Piccolo feared him isn't accurate.

2) No, that simply means that Kaioushin's a terrible judge of strength. Even though he had, only moments ago, sensed Ssj2 Gohan at the Budoukai, he still thought they'd all need to gang up against an enemy that Goku was seemingly doing well against in his base form. He feared Pui Pui, Yakon, and Dabura based on the reputation that Babi-di only took control of the strongest fighters, and assumed that, because Babi-di had control of them, they were automatically a major and serious threat.

Additionally, by statements regarding Yakon, Dabura, Spopovitch, and Yamu, it's not clear that they even have ki that can be sensed.

Goku and the others couldn't get any real bead on Spopovitch when he was fighting Videl, specifically indicating that he couldn't sense any life from him at all.

Goku used the air movement Yakon was making to find him in the World of Darkness rather than sensing his ki.

Both Vegeta and Goku couldn't peg down Dabura's actual strength, basing it solely on his movements and actions as opposed to sensing energy from him. It was there that Goku estimated, based on his actions, that he might be around Cell's strength.

So Kaioushin being scared of Yakon essentially means nothing in terms of proving he's weaker than the base Saiya-jin.