What are the power levels gt characters on a scale

[Marlowe89]

Can you people really not tell when someone is trolling or not?

SuperSaiyanQ quotes you and responds to it not-entirely-respectfully, no one expresses having any doubt about that post and its nature, and then you express disbelief that someone or some people would be in doubt about the troll-ness of a poster.

I'm confused. Which is the trolling post and where is someone not being sure how seriously to take someone?

I think he's just trying to say he was trolling and not entirely serious when he originally wrote that the GT characters were stronger. Not sure if I find that convincing, but it's probably best to move on from that at this point considering that it was at the beginning of the thread.

[LonelyShadow]

Super Saiyan God Goku: 6
Beerus: 10
Whis: 15
Super Saiyan 4 Goku: 1
Super Saiyan 4 Goku (Power of friendship): 3
Goku surprassing the SSJ4: 4
Super Saiyan 4 Vegeta (Catch up with Goku due to the plot): 3
Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta: 12-13
Syn Shenron: 2.5
Omega Shenron: 9 - 9.5
Mr. Satan(Fused with Hell's core): 80

Since GT was made a long time ago by Toei I take it as a movie in canonical terms meaning that this series has no connection with the Gods, personally, I find it ridiculous. The Super Saiyan God transformation/power-up didn't even exist when GT finished broadcasting.

As I see it, Super Vegetto might be 10% Beerus, making him 80% Beers as a SSJ3, I follow the anime comics statement of "Vegetto might be even stronger than a Super Saiyan 4 (only Goku at the time)", the the anime and the manga never showed his hypothetical Super Saiyan 2 and 3 transformations, my guess is that they were just refering to his SSJ1 transformation. Also there wasn't a line in the story that said: "Whoa! This character in specific is even stronger than Vegetto-sama!"

Other than that, I would like to thank everyone who contributed in their own way to this threat, a friend of mine and I had lots of fun with this one. April was beautiful.

[Berserker1921]

How powerful who Shen-Goku (shenron fusing with Goku) be?

[Doctor.]

GT battle powers are extremely confusing to make sense of, especially if it's in conjunction with recent material, but here's my best shot:

Whis: 15
Beerus: 10

Freeza: 0.8
-- Golden: 8

Goku: 3.6
-- SSGSS: 7.2

SS Vegetto: 0.25
-- SS3 Vegetto: 1

Rage Vegeta - 0.5

SS4 Goku: 1
-- Surpassed limits: 2.5

Super Yi Xing Long: 3.5

SS4 Gogeta: 7.5

Something of the sort. Everything is completely arbitrary and I don't have a solid list for GT and Super characters yet.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

SS4 Goku: 1
-- Surpassed limits: 2.5

Super Yi Xing Long: 3.5

Just one thing I want to nitpick. Super Yi Xing Long said he was 10x stronger than Yi Xing Long:

Episode 59
Time: 5m30s
Yi Xing Long: “This is an unbelievable power up, even if I do say so myself. I’m ten times greater than before…perhaps even more! Not being able to see it, you might not believe it, but just by using the slightest power, everything around has been blown away!”

So by your numbers, Yi Xing Long would be a 0.35 and weaker than SS4 Goku.

[supercat]

Whis: 15

SSJ4 Gogeta: 12 (12.5 or 13 at the best)

Beerus: 10

Golden Frieza: 8

Omega Shenron: 7.5

SSGSS Goku / SSGSS Vegeta: 7.5

SSG Goku (BoG): 6

Super 17 (energy absorbed): 4.5 - 5

Final Form Frieza: 4.5

SSJ4 Goku (Shadow Dragon arc): 3.5

Third Form Frieza: 2.5

SSJ Vegetto: 2 - 2.5

SSJ4 Goku (Baby Arc): 2 - 2.5

Golden Oozaru Baby Vegeta: 2


Whis > SSJ4 Gogeta > Beerus > Golden Frieza > Omega Shenron > / = SSGSS Goku / Vegeta > SSG Goku (BoG) > Super 17 (energy absorbed) > / = Final Form Frieza (FnF) > SSJ4 Goku (Shadow Dragon Arc) > Third Form Frieza (FnF) > / = SSJ Vegetto > / = SSJ4 Goku (Baby arc) > Golden Oozaru Baby Vegeta > Buuhan > Second Form Frieza (FnF) > First Form Frieza = Super Buu = Final Form Rild > Kid Buu > Mr. Buu

[Perfectionist-Cell]

Goku (Overall) - 8

Vegeta (Overall) - 7

Omega Shenron - 10

Gogeta (Max) - 16

Baby (Overall) - 6

Super 17 (Energy Absorbed) - 8

Trunks - 4

Goten - 4

Uub - 6

Pan - 2

Rildo - 6

Ledgic - 5

100 Year Goku - 30

Why is everyone low balling GT? No one in ROF or. BOG have really shown they could take on anyone in GT.

[LonelyShadow]

How powerful who Shen-Goku (shenron fusing with Goku) be?

So in this case, Goku would absorb the power of the Shadow Dragons with positive energy and become something like Omega?

Just one thing I want to nitpick. Super Yi Xing Long said he was 10x stronger than Yi Xing Long:

Episode 59
Time: 5m30s
Yi Xing Long: “This is an unbelievable power up, even if I do say so myself. I’m ten times greater than before…perhaps even more! Not being able to see it, you might not believe it, but just by using the slightest power, everything around has been blown away!”

So by your numbers, Yi Xing Long would be a 0.35 and weaker than SS4 Goku.

If he really was ten times stronger than Goku and Vegeta, he should obliterate them in a single attack, Syn Shenron was fighting equally with SSJ4 Goku before surpassing his limits, if he really became that strong he shouldn't be destroyed by Goku's Dragon Fist. Also, I don't see where does the source for the power-up comes from in the first place.

I belive it was an exaggeration, the Perfect Files say: "Omega Shenron is almost ten times stronger than Syn", I interpret it as it could be any number, even one that isn't close to the number ten, just like the anime comics comparing Vegetto's power to GT, it could be his normal SSJ or his unseen SSJ3.

I think that the scale looks too small because of the numbers used. Beerus was much less than a one when he finger flicked the Z warriors.

[Khin]

Whis = 15.0
Beerus = 10.0
SSJ4 Gogeta = 10.0
G.Freeza = 8.5
SSGSS Vegeta/Goku = 7.5
Omega Shenron = 6.0
SSG Goku = 6.0
Base Vegeta/Goku = 3.75
Surpassed Limits Goku = 3.50
Final Form Freeza = 2.0
Super 17 = 2.0
SSJ3 Vegetto = 1.2
Syn Shenron = 0.6
SSJ2 Vegetto = 0.3
Enraged SSJ2 Vegeta = 0.2
Super Vegetto = 0.15
SSJ4 Goku = 0.15

SSJ4 Goku=Super Vegetto<Enraged SSJ2 Vegeta<SSJ2 Vegetto<Syn Shenron<SSJ3 Vegetto<Super 17=Final Form Freeza<Surpassed Limits Goku=<Base Vegeta/Goku<SSG Goku=Omega Shenron<SSGSS Vegeta/Goku<Golden Freeza<Beerus=SSJ4 Gogeta<Whis

[Doctor.]

SS4 Goku: 1
-- Surpassed limits: 2.5

Super Yi Xing Long: 3.5

Just one thing I want to nitpick. Super Yi Xing Long said he was 10x stronger than Yi Xing Long:

Episode 59
Time: 5m30s
Yi Xing Long: “This is an unbelievable power up, even if I do say so myself. I’m ten times greater than before…perhaps even more! Not being able to see it, you might not believe it, but just by using the slightest power, everything around has been blown away!”

So by your numbers, Yi Xing Long would be a 0.35 and weaker than SS4 Goku.

Since, like LonelyShadow said, the Perfect Files say it was almost 10x, how about this?

SS4: 0.6
-- Limits surpassed: 1.5

Super 17 (post): 0.75

Yi Xing Long: 0.9
-- Super: 6.3

Gogeta: 8.7

SS3 Vegetto: 0.5
-- BoG: 0.65

Enraged Vegeta: 0.3

SSG: 6
-- Base (F): 3.6
-- SSGSS: 7.2

Freeza: 0.8
-- Golden: 8

Don't remember anything at all from GT, so correct me if limits surpassed Goku is weaker than regular Yi Xing Long, or some goof of the sort.

[manwolf]

Super Rildo: 0.5
Baby Vegeta: 1
Super android 17: 0.9-1.5(after abortions)
Goku ssj4: 1.2
Nova shenron: 1.2
Syn shenron: 1.3
Goku ssj4 beyond limits:1.4
Vegeta ssj4: 1.3
Omega shenron: 2.5
Gogeta ssj4: 6

[Blackstripe]

Oh, how'd I not notice this until now?

Let's see...

Super Oozaru Baby 2 - 0.045
SSJ4 Son Gokuu - 0.05
Super Vegetto - 0.06
Shadow Dragon arc SSJ4 Son Gokuu - 0.075
Syn Shenron - 0.09
SSJ2 Vegetto - 0.12
SSJ4 Son Gokuu past limits - 0.14
Super 17 Max - 0.25
Rage!Vegeta/Tired True Form Freeza - 0.3
SSJ3 Vegetto - 0.48
RoF True Form Freeza - 0.67
RoF Base Vegeta - 0.725
RoF Base Son Gokuu - 0.75 (not the same as base SSG Gokuu, see below)
Omega Shenron - 0.9
SSJ4 Son Gokuu with dragon balls - 1.4
SSJ4 Gogeta - 3.5
SSG Base Son Gokuu - 4.5
SSG Son Gokuu with Super Saiyan - 5
Tired Golden Freeza - 5.5
SSG Son Gokuu - 6
SSGSS Vegeta - 7.25
SSGSS Son Gokuu - 7.5 (I give him a 10x multiplier from his RoF base)
Golden Freeza - 8
Beerus - 10
Whis - 15
Rage!Vegetto - 100

[ekrolo2]

SS4 Goku: 1
-- Surpassed limits: 2.5

Super Yi Xing Long: 3.5

Just one thing I want to nitpick. Super Yi Xing Long said he was 10x stronger than Yi Xing Long:

Episode 59
Time: 5m30s
Yi Xing Long: “This is an unbelievable power up, even if I do say so myself. I’m ten times greater than before…perhaps even more! Not being able to see it, you might not believe it, but just by using the slightest power, everything around has been blown away!”

So by your numbers, Yi Xing Long would be a 0.35 and weaker than SS4 Goku.

Since, like LonelyShadow said, the Perfect Files say it was almost 10x, how about this?

SS4: 0.6
-- Limits surpassed: 1.5

Super 17 (post): 0.75

Yi Xing Long: 0.9
-- Super: 6.3

Gogeta: 8.7

SS3 Vegetto: 0.5
-- BoG: 0.65

Enraged Vegeta: 0.3

SSG: 6
-- Base (F): 3.6
-- SSGSS: 7.2

Freeza: 0.8
-- Golden: 8

Don't remember anything at all from GT, so correct me if limits surpassed Goku is weaker than regular Yi Xing Long, or some goof of the sort.

Goku was able to nearly kill Omega by comboing Dragon First with the Kamehameha though Goku did catch him by surprise with it.

[ekrolo2]

SS4 Goku: 1
-- Surpassed limits: 2.5

Super Yi Xing Long: 3.5

Just one thing I want to nitpick. Super Yi Xing Long said he was 10x stronger than Yi Xing Long:

Episode 59
Time: 5m30s
Yi Xing Long: “This is an unbelievable power up, even if I do say so myself. I’m ten times greater than before…perhaps even more! Not being able to see it, you might not believe it, but just by using the slightest power, everything around has been blown away!”

So by your numbers, Yi Xing Long would be a 0.35 and weaker than SS4 Goku.

Since, like LonelyShadow said, the Perfect Files say it was almost 10x, how about this?

SS4: 0.6
-- Limits surpassed: 1.5

Super 17 (post): 0.75

Yi Xing Long: 0.9
-- Super: 6.3

Gogeta: 8.7

SS3 Vegetto: 0.5
-- BoG: 0.65

Enraged Vegeta: 0.3

SSG: 6
-- Base (F): 3.6
-- SSGSS: 7.2

Freeza: 0.8
-- Golden: 8

Don't remember anything at all from GT, so correct me if limits surpassed Goku is weaker than regular Yi Xing Long, or some goof of the sort.

Goku was able to nearly kill Omega by comboing Dragon First with the Kamehameha though Goku did catch him by surprise with it.

[ekrolo2]

But SBV1 has the greatest ki Goku ever felt, and Goku's felt Beers and Whisky by that point, since BoG is before End of Z, and GT is after that.

So logically, we can conclude:

SS4 Goku >>> SBV1 >> SBV1 >/>> Whiss > Beers > SSGod Goku

Yes but gt is a universe to where beerus never woke up. Or didn't exist.

Which is relevant why? With the new Super episode we can pretty much conclude that the GT characters murder the Gods something fierce. Unless Vegeta entered the single digits of the "God scale" Beerus would have no reason at all to use as much as 10% of his power. Even if Super Saiyan 3 Goku only accounts for like 0.005 of Beerus' power, once you start taking into account his base strength and the power multipliers he completely outclasses even Whis as a Super Saiyan 4 and utterly leaves the Gods in the dust once you take Gogeta into account.

[Blackstripe]

Which is relevant why? With the new Super episode we can pretty much conclude that the GT characters murder the Gods something fierce. Unless Vegeta entered the single digits of the "God scale" Beerus would have no reason at all to use as much as 10% of his power. Even if Super Saiyan 3 Goku only accounts for like 0.005 of Beerus' power, once you start taking into account his base strength and the power multipliers he completely outclasses even Whis as a Super Saiyan 4 and utterly leaves the Gods in the dust once you take Gogeta into account.

It's easy to rationalize if you assume Rageta >> Super Vegetto.

[ekrolo2]

Which is relevant why? With the new Super episode we can pretty much conclude that the GT characters murder the Gods something fierce. Unless Vegeta entered the single digits of the "God scale" Beerus would have no reason at all to use as much as 10% of his power. Even if Super Saiyan 3 Goku only accounts for like 0.005 of Beerus' power, once you start taking into account his base strength and the power multipliers he completely outclasses even Whis as a Super Saiyan 4 and utterly leaves the Gods in the dust once you take Gogeta into account.

It's easy to rationalize if you assume Rageta >> Super Vegetto.

At this point I think Super Vegetto would be quite enough to give Beerus a decent challenge and would outright beat him once he started pulling out the higher Super Saiyan forms.

[Doctor.]

That contradicts everything we know about Super Saiyan God.

I don't think people understand that Super Saiyan God exists because NOTHING else they could do would be enough.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

If he really was ten times stronger than Goku and Vegeta, he should obliterate them in a single attack, Syn Shenron was fighting equally with SSJ4 Goku before surpassing his limits, if he really became that strong he shouldn't be destroyed by Goku's Dragon Fist. Also, I don't see where does the source for the power-up comes from in the first place.

Uh... SS4 Goku and Yi Xing Long were not fighting evenly. Goku was getting horribly stomped. He surpassed his limits with Goten/Trunks/Gohan's power, then he started stomping Yi Xing Long, who in turn transformed into Super Yi Xing Long and then was strong enough to stomp Goku and Vegeta at the same time.

Also, the reason he didn't obliterate them with a single attack was because he was toying, this is made more apparent when base Goku and Vegeta takes blows from him. It's like saying the humans are less than 10x weaker than the Cell kids since they weren't obliterated with a single attack.

I belive it was an exaggeration, the Perfect Files say: "Omega Shenron is almost ten times stronger than Syn", I interpret it as it could be any number, even one that isn't close to the number ten.

Where did you read that? Herms hasn't translated the 2nd volume of the Perfect Files yet.

Since, like LonelyShadow said, the Perfect Files say it was almost 10x, how about this?

[numbers]

Don't remember anything at all from GT, so correct me if limits surpassed Goku is weaker than regular Yi Xing Long, or some goof of the sort.

Some of the gaps look small but I guess that's just being more conservative than I would. I think they're good. The only one I can really disagree with is SS4 Gogeta over Super Yi Xing Long. SYXL couldn't even get past Gogeta's aura, it's a huge gap in my opinion. I do however question the PF statement, did someone besides Herms translate it?

[ekrolo2]

That contradicts everything we know about Super Saiyan God.

I don't think people understand that Super Saiyan God exists because NOTHING else they could do would be enough.

If Super didn't completely change things up on the power end I'd probably still believe that but now? It's pretty obvious the Gods aren't as overwhelmingly powerful as we believed them to be.