The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Lunatic Fringe » Sat Aug 29, 2015 11:28 pm

What if Vegeta was born of Bardock and Kakarot born of King Vegeta(both retain their respective power level potential)?
What if Vegeta could fix the training equipment without Bulma's help?
What if Vegeta still couldn't turn into a Super Saiyan by the time the three years come up and #19 and #20 make their appearance?

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Tue Sep 01, 2015 9:10 pm

-What if Chi-Chi awoken her demon-half?
-What if Chiaotzu died for good?
-What if Chi-Chi cheated with Yamcha?
-What if Bulma reunited with her sister?
-What if Vegeta became nice for a day?
-What if Krillin died again?
-What if Vegeta tried to rid of the Earth for profit on the spot?
-What if Chi-Chi's mama reappeared after years of being presumed dead?
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Berserker1921 » Tue Sep 01, 2015 9:37 pm

DBZAOTA482 wrote:-What if Chi-Chi awoken her demon-half?
-What if Chiaotzu died for good?
-What if Chi-Chi cheated with Yamcha?
-What if Bulma reunited with her sister?
-What if Vegeta became nice for a day?
-What if Krillin died again?
-What if Vegeta tried to rid of the Earth for profit on the spot?
-What if Chi-Chi's mama reappeared after years of being presumed dead?
1. Gohan and goten could become ssj demon haha or devil
2. Goku would be upset but would understand.
3. They make vegetas life hell.
4. He was nice he took trunks to the amusement park and hasn't destroyed the world.
5. Everyone would be sad. But Goku would visit him up in heaven.
6. Bye by world.
7. She has Goku for leaving them all the Time

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Berserker1921 » Wed Sep 02, 2015 2:30 am

What if uub and pan had children?

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Sep 02, 2015 8:15 am

Berserker1921 wrote:What if uub and pan had children?
They have a powerful mixed breed.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Lord Frieza » Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:45 pm

Ok how about what if Trunks has excepted King Cold's offer?

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Scarlet Spider » Wed Sep 02, 2015 8:28 pm

Unsure if these were done before.

What if Gohan never stopped training after Goku's death yet still kept up with his studies?
What if Broly wasn't placed next to Goku as infants?
What if Raditz had a change of heart and stayed on Earth with Goku?
What if Bardock, Raditz and Gine went to Earth with Goku?
What if Chi-Chi wanted Gohan to be a fighter like his dad?
What if Gohan managed to hold his own against Beerus?
What if Goku brought Gohan, Vegeta, Dende and Hercule to the fight with Kid Buu?

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Berserker1921 » Wed Sep 02, 2015 8:41 pm

Lord Frieza wrote:Ok how about what if Trunks has excepted King Cold's offer?
Trunks and cold are eventually killed by Goku and z Warriors. And everyone are killed by the androids years later.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Berserker1921 » Wed Sep 02, 2015 8:49 pm

Scarlet Spider wrote:Unsure if these were done before.

What if Gohan never stopped training after Goku's death yet still kept up with his studies?
What if Broly wasn't placed next to Goku as infants?
What if Raditz had a change of heart and stayed on Earth with Goku?
What if Bardock, Raditz and Gine went to Earth with Goku?
What if Chi-Chi wanted Gohan to be a fighter like his dad?
What if Gohan managed to hold his own against Beerus?
What if Goku brought Gohan, Vegeta, Dende and (the H-word) to the fight with Kid Buu?
1. Gohan is op and every gohan fan boy cheer and sing. And one day beats Beerus and whis with a flick of his finger. Lol nah but he would take the Goku role from now on. And be a little stronger then Goku was.
2. Broly would be moe stable or stablish and maybe just maybe. He would become a good guy. Or a tyrant. Between those two.
3. Raditz would be a good ally to the group however unless he trains he will fall and become the yamacha of the sayains.
4. They take over the world. Remember even though they were good sayians. Doesn't mean they were good people over all.
5. He be the strongest warrior of the groups.
6. He be about 70-80% gokus power maybe 85%. Once he unlocked ssjgodssj he be stronger then Beerus.
7. It's a slaughter for kid Buu. Unless they gave some bs that kid Buu is op or he absorbs the others. They would have to kill him quickly.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Eternal Super Saiyan » Thu Sep 03, 2015 11:30 pm

What if Goku and Vegeta did potara fusion, into SSJ3 Vegetto and then Bulma was slapped by Beerus?

SSJ3 RAGETTO vs. BEERUS! Now that's a fight to see! :P
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by h0kuten » Thu Sep 03, 2015 11:38 pm

In Dragonball minus Bardock & Gine send Goku off because of so and so reasons, what if they were able to travel to Earth and train with Goku until the Majin Boo Saga? With Radditz joining them at the beginning of Dragonball Z?

Everything else though, progresses the same way as it does when Vegeta & Nappa arrive, and onward.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Berserker1921 » Fri Sep 04, 2015 12:05 am

Eternal Super Saiyan wrote:What if Goku and Vegeta did potara fusion, into SSJ3 Vegetto and then Bulma was slapped by Beerus?

SSJ3 RAGETTO vs. BEERUS! Now that's a fight to see! :P

He prob be 40-55% Beerus power. Does some damage for a little while. Then Beerus snaps out of it and with a few well placed hits he is down.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Berserker1921 » Fri Sep 04, 2015 12:07 am

h0kuten wrote:In Dragonball minus Bardock & Gine send Goku off because of so and so reasons, what if they were able to travel to Earth and train with Goku until the Majin Boo Saga? With Radditz joining them at the beginning of Dragonball Z?

Everything else though, progresses the same way as it does when Vegeta & Nappa arrive, and onward.
Goku could become stronger then Vegeta. However bardock would have to face Vegeta. Because if they there. All humans would be killed. Goku would never have a family nor meet bulma. He wouldn't have the drive and purpose to be as strong as he is currently. They prob would be dead by frieza eventually.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Scarlet Spider » Fri Sep 04, 2015 8:28 pm

Got more.

If Goku and Vegeta did the fusion dance in Super, would it still be Gogeta? Or will it be Vegito? Since I dunno if they'd want to use a movie only character in the main series.
If King Cold wasn't in his final form, and did actually transform against Trunks, would it make a difference?
What if the Saiyans believed Bardock's warning and all fled to different places in the universe?
What if Dabura and Babidi encountered Future Trunks on a bad day?
What if Goku never met Chi-Chi?
What if Vegeta defeated Frieza before he could transform on Namek?
What if Goku and Gohan joined Raditz, Nappa and Vegeta?
What if Broly's father didn't try mind controlling him but instead took care of him and supported him?

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Pantalones » Fri Sep 04, 2015 11:42 pm

What if Vegeta still couldn't turn into a Super Saiyan by the time the three years come up and #19 and #20 make their appearance?
Piccolo would be the one to step in and beat #19, though maybe not quite as easily as Vegeta did. After #19 is blown up, Gero would assume Vegeta could go Super Saiyan (because Goku had already shown that he could), realize that it's not only the Saiyans and that Piccolo too was much stronger than he'd calculated, and then realize that he couldn't possibly win against both a SSj Vegeta and Piccolo (even if this is a weakened Piccolo), so he'd run away, giving Piccolo a chance to have a Senzu Bean.

After that point, I'd guess that everything goes about the same, except Piccolo is the one who gets beaten up by #18 (since a non-Super Saiyan Vegeta wouldn't last through more than a single hit from either of the Androids, just like the humans.) Maybe Vegeta gets pissed off enough at his own helplessness during this fight that he unlocks Super Saiyan then (...only to get stomped by one Android or the other anyway), or maybe he doesn't reach it until training afterward. After this point the only thing I'd see being all that much different is Vegeta might have a little bit of a harder time against 2nd-form Cell due to not having as much practice in Super Saiyan form, and thus maybe not being able to get as good of an increase training for the year-day before that fight and maybe not being able to use the "Ascended/Grade 2" Super Saiyan form as well (if at all.)
What if Goku brought Gohan, Vegeta, Dende and (the H-word) to the fight with Kid Buu?
Gohan should be able to beat this Buu pretty easily on his own. Regular Super Buu before any absorptions, who Goku was afraid to fight (the same Goku who a little later on was confident in his ability to beat Kid Buu with SSj3, and showed that he was at least even with him in power), was shown to be someone Gohan could handle without any difficulty... Goku said that Gohan would be able to handle him even with Piccolo absorbed, though I suppose once you get to the Super Buu levels of power the boost provided by the power of someone below a regular Super Saiyan wouldn't count for a whole lot.

Now, the only thing to worry about is Gohan slipping up and getting absorbed again like he did against Super Buu -- the only way they'd be beating a Gohan-absorbed Kid Buu is if Goku and Vegeta fused. Kid Buu doesn't seem to be sneaky with absorption the way Super Buu was, though, so chances are Gohan would be relatively safe from that -- the power gap should be big enough that Gohan could just blast the pink goo away before it's too late if Buu tried to surround him.
If Goku and Vegeta did the fusion dance in Super, would it still be Gogeta? Or will it be Vegito? Since I dunno if they'd want to use a movie only character in the main series.
I don't think they'd use the same fusion character for two methods of fusion, regardless of Gogeta showing up in a movie. So if they did the fusion dance it would either be Gogeta, or a new fusion character specific to Super with a different name from either of the two previous ones. This Gogeta might not look exactly like Movie 12's Gogeta though, especially considering that they never showed his base form in the movie.

He'd definitely have the Metamorian fusion outfit rather than the Potara-style "Goku's clothes with inverted colors and Vegeta' shoes" thing, though.
If King Cold wasn't in his final form, and did actually transform against Trunks, would it make a difference?
Considering that King Cold was described as being in the same range of power as... whatever level Freeza was suppressed to (way below 100%, as Gohan comments that Freeza can get much stronger than the power he was using at the time he arrived), he probably wouldn't be able to do anything against Trunks by transforming. Since Freeza is supposed to be really abnormal, born with a freakishly high power, I would suspect that King Cold's power wouldn't increase by the same amount Freeza would when going from one form to the next and as a result even in his final form (assuming the form we see him in is the equivalent of Freeza's 2nd and he has two more after that) would still be weaker than Freeza, though their levels would be a lot closer together in the same form. Maybe in the range of 50%-70% Freeza? Freeza did seem to think that having Dad tag along would guarantee him a win against Goku, and having somebody in the 60,000,000 range seems like it would be a lot more likely to help. Maybe Cold could transform another time or two, but just didn't because he knew he had no chance after seeing Freeza killed so easily.

On the other hand, if you assume his forms are at the same percentages of his maximum power as Freeza's, then he'd be pretty impressively strong if he was allowed to go to 100% -- if you assume his "2nd form" was around 3,000,000 (going with that number since that's around the level 4th-form Freeza was at initially, and would definitely qualify for Gohan's "Freeza can get way stronger than this" statement), then his initial 4th-form power would be around 9,000,000 and his maximum would be around 360,000,000... exactly three times Freeza's strength. I suspect this is what Dragonball Multiverse's take on the character is going off of -- I think they said he was closer to the Androids in his final form at some point, and the 300,000,000 range is probably around where I'd put 17 and 18 if I had to guess at their level.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Berserker1921 » Sat Sep 05, 2015 1:07 pm

What it if Vegeta also became a super Saiyan during the Namek saga?
What if the Z-Warriors future selves from BoG saga took over their younger selves during the Raditz saga? (Think days of future past). How many things would be changed by this alteration. Would a lot of events be changed or do you believe even greater enemies would appear?
What if future trunks and gohan stayed with the normal time z Warriors?
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by h0kuten » Sat Sep 05, 2015 1:11 pm

Berserker1921 wrote:What it if Vegeta also became a super Saiyan during the Namek saga?
What if the Z-Warriors future selves from BoG saga took over their younger selves during the Raditz saga? (Think days of future past). How many things would be changed by this alteration. Would a lot of events be changed or do you believe even great enemies would appear?
What if future trunks and gohan stayed with the normal time z Warriors?
Hmmm...
Vegeta
~Base 2,400,000
~Ssj 120,000,000
Vegeta is probably able to win 6 out of 10 matches due to Freeza's stamina drain.

They would have absolutely nothing to worry about. Nobody would ever die and they would have no need for Namek. The Androids would come but they would get single shotted. Cell would come, same result. Majin Boo awakens, same result.

Meh, it comes a rather un-interesting story. Lol

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by fadeddreams5 » Sat Sep 05, 2015 2:27 pm

Gohan and Gotenks are present, alongside Vegeta and Goku, in the battle against Kid Buu. What happens?

I mean, what really happens? No "curbstomp" answer, plz. n.n

How would/could Kid Buu handle this situation?
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Doctor. » Sat Sep 05, 2015 2:30 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:Gohan and Gotenks are present, alongside Vegeta and Goku, in the battle against Kid Buu. What happens?

I mean, what really happens? No "curbstomp" answer, plz. n.n

How would/could Kid Buu handle this situation?
Vegeta and Goku stand in the sidelines watching while Gohan lets Gotenks handle Boo. Gotenks uses Super Saiyan, and they end up being equal, then bumps it up the SS3 and Boo gets mad and blows up the planet, killing everyone in the process.

The end.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by dbzfan7 » Sat Sep 05, 2015 2:37 pm

Doctor. wrote:
fadeddreams5 wrote:Gohan and Gotenks are present, alongside Vegeta and Goku, in the battle against Kid Buu. What happens?

I mean, what really happens? No "curbstomp" answer, plz. n.n

How would/could Kid Buu handle this situation?
Vegeta and Goku stand in the sidelines watching while Gohan lets Gotenks handle Boo. Gotenks uses Super Saiyan, and they end up being equal, then bumps it up the SS3 and Boo gets mad and blows up the planet, killing everyone in the process.

The end.
I'd make a claim that Gohan wouldn't be stupid enough to let Gotenks fight in his stead again...but no that's exactly how stupid he'd probably be considering his current intelligence. Though I wonder if Goku would let that happened after he did that for Gohan, and that didn't pan out too well.
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